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Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary Offers BA in Ladylike Submission

Posted by Jessica Valenti at 12:00 PM on August 20, 2007.


Jessica Valenti: Coursework for the program includes nutrition and meal preparation, textile design and classes on the "biblical model for the home and family."
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This post, written by Jessica Valenti, originally appeared on Feministing

The Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is offering a new and exciting academic program: homemaking!

Southwestern Baptist, one of the nation's largest Southern Baptist seminaries, is introducing a new academic program in homemaking as part of an effort to establish what its president calls biblical family and gender roles.
It will offer a bachelor of arts in humanities degree with a 23-hour concentration in homemaking. The program is only open to women.
Of course it is. Coursework for the program includes nutrition and meal preparation, textile design and classes on "the value of a child" and the "biblical model for the home and family."

Seminary President Paige Patterson says "We are moving against the tide in order to establish family and gender roles as described in God's word for the home and the family...If we do not do something to salvage the future of the home, both our denomination and our nation will be destroyed."

I always thought nations were destroyed by war, famine or disease. Little did I know it was actually women taking classes in anything other than ironing that determines the demise of a country.

By the way, Patterson is known in Southern Baptist circles for issuing a statement saying that women shouldn't be pastors and that they should "graciously submit" to their husbands. (How one "graciously submits" is another question. Would I smile and thank him for the great honor of doing his laundry?)

Earlier this year, a former professor filed a federal discrimination lawsuit against the school and Patterson--she says she was fired from her tenure-track position because she was a woman. Perhaps she didn't graciously submit. Silly girl. In fact, Patterson's wife is the only woman faculty member in Southwestern's theology school. Shocking.

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Jessica Valenti is the executive editor of Feministing.


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In these parts...
Posted by: CanuckKid on Aug 20, 2007 12:37 PM   
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...educated folks laugh up their sleeves and call these places Bridal Colleges - post-graduate, church-approved, diploma-conferring dating services that prepare men to be pastors and women to... well... be their wives.... Not a very gracious stereotype, to be sure, but one that seems to have been validated on countless occasions.

I never dreamt that one of these places would actually take that role seriously - I guess they didn't get the joke...

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» Remember - Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: emember - Posted by: Astroboy
Home Economics
Posted by: badkitty on Aug 20, 2007 1:18 PM   
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Home Economics is a valuable field of study--everyone should have to learn about nutrition and meal planning (it's called life skills!) and in my youth, gasp, every girl had to take it in the seventh grade, yes, even here in the capital of political correctness. However, I must say, I'm a little confused about the biblical role of the family. Is that polygamy???

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» RE: Home Economics Posted by: CanuckKid
» RE: Home Economics Posted by: Robba29
I graciously submit...
Posted by: Suz on Aug 20, 2007 1:24 PM   
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...that although I am not currently enrolled, I have the tools and the know-how to make a casserole that--even though I wasn't aware of it until this very moment--can SAVE THE WORLD!

Now, if everybody would just join me in the dedicated re-assumption of the missionary position ONLY, then this nation will truly be well on its way to a glorious return of its former resplendence.

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There's some value in this..
Posted by: may261989 on Aug 20, 2007 4:19 PM   
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If I was a womanising narcistic control freak with a million skeletons in my closet or a self loathing homosexual aiming for a career in the G.O.P I now know where I would head to find my future wife.

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J-
Posted by: J- on Aug 20, 2007 4:28 PM   
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Patterson is known in Southern Baptist circles for issuing a statement saying that women shouldn't be pastors and that they should "graciously submit" to their husbands.

What if this "biblical husband" is the one who wants to submit? How would that go?

WHACK!! Lick my boot, slave!

Hmm, is there a course for that sort of thing?

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» no, those are the Moonies... Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
Somehow, I doubt
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Aug 20, 2007 10:54 PM   
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Mary Magdalene was all that submissive...or that Jesus wanted her to be.

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The Modernized M.R.S. Degree:there is a lot to being a Trophy Wife.
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 20, 2007 11:21 PM   
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Its nothing *new*: Its hard to be the Social Face of a Corporatized Executive Family Entity... its not all about getting your kids into the right classes, private schools & keeping your figure...

There was a time when women had to figure out all this complexity on their own or from a conniving Mother Figure...

Marie Antoinette...

The Book of Household Management by Mrs. Isabella Mary Beeton
"Edwardian Life: Introduction - The Edwardian Era (1901-1919)"

The Edwardian era corresponds to the reign of King Edward VII in Great Britain, whose short-lived governance (1901-1910) followed Victoria's long reign and preceded the modern House of Windsor in England. The "Edwardian" style broadly encompasses the years of 1901 through to 1919.

The beginning of the Twentieth Century experienced tremendous technological and social change. The wonders of the modern world, which had only sprang into being in the 1880s and 1890's brought the first rewards of modern industrialization and mass-produced abundance. It was a time where Britain was at its imperial height and one in three of the world's population were her subjects. On the other side of the Atlantic, Americans were experiencing new-found wealth and indulging in cuisine, fashion, entertainment and travel as never before. Perhaps the Edwardian era was best captured in the Titanic, the grand ocean liner which embodied human progress, opulence, and the excesses of the time.

The Edwardian era is viewed nostalgically and often called the "Gilded Age". In Britain, it was a time of peace: sandwiched between the Boer War (1899-1902) and the First World War which broke out in 1914. In the words of Samuel Hynes, it was a 'leisurely time when women wore picture hats and did not vote, when the rich were not ashamed to live conspicuously, and the sun really never set on the British flag'. It was also a time of great inequality, in which the privileges of the rich were made possible by the labour of their servants, an age when the inequalities of wealth and poverty were starkly delineated and the conventions of class were still rigidly defined - there was a place for everyone and everyone knew their place."
===
Regency Period: "Northanger Abbey" Jane Austin
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Middle Class... The 1900 House...

so modern values would suggest that the Modern Trophy Wife of a CEO or Senior Executive could be described best as providing a sound fundamental ButlerClass Manor House Management & Social Calendar Salving

the MODERN "M.R.S. Degree!!". ..

-Keeping 'Undocumented Workers' 101
-Starting Charities in Your Children's Names
-Creative Charity Contributions: "I'll sign a cheque for that Charity Fundraiser, she's my Sister-in-Law's Daughter"
-Keeping a Palpable Social Presence in your Clubs in multiple residences
-Spa Etiquette
-choice of:
---Urban Parking a Hummer or sportscar, or
---"Cellphones with Gel Overlays & Bling Management"

-Ignoring signs your spouse isn't *entirely* hetero...
-Identifying signs you need cosmetic surgery
-Restraining all signs of panic when the Feds raids the country home
- ...holding one's head up in Church...
-Better Living Through Pharmaceuticals...
-maintaining an Oblivious 'yet socially apt' Demeanor...

the courses are endless...

BlueBerry Pick'n
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Sounds just like the 50s
Posted by: Suzen on Aug 21, 2007 7:22 AM   
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There's an old joke : What's a man's definition of a wife?

A wife is an appliance you screw on the bed that does the housework for you.

This whole program sounds like it was designed by the guy who wrote the joke, only he was serious.
If women want to participate in such a mind set, who cares? I was a young woman in the 50s and that is the way women were treated. Obviously it didn't work for us and we changed it over time.
If women need to experience ' retro' womanhood, let them suffer, or servitude may be what they want. We have more choices than that now and that makes all the difference.

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» I was also a young women in the Posted by: TruthBeTold
http://www.LandoverBaptist.org your source for all things religious
Posted by: james2021 on Aug 21, 2007 8:05 AM   
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Read the articles by Betty Bowers for the latest in Right Thinking for Women. And dont miss the White House Ministry. All things for TRUE CHRISTIANS

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Biblical model of the family?
Posted by: goeswithness on Aug 21, 2007 10:43 AM   
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Women worked HARD in Bible days. In fact, in Proverbs, where the ideal wife is described, she goes out and makes money for the family. Of course, she also does every other little thing. Once again, some people don't know how to distinguish their own culture from God's will.

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OK, I admit it......
Posted by: tap17x on Aug 21, 2007 10:54 AM   
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...........I'm a woman-hating, selfish, narcissistic, gun-loving, right-wing, antiabortion control freak who insists that my every need, no matter how trivial, be satisfied by my slave-wives, all 23 of them, who are required to wash, iron, clean, feed the babies, earn the money, mow, fix, fuck, and suck whenever and however I want. If I can't rule the world I can at least rule this household with an iron fist, delivering death to those who disobey or oppose me. And, of course, I LOVE the school where I learned all this, where women are taught to obey unconditionally. Thank you, God, for not making me a woman.
Yo, all you conservative imbeciles (but I repeat myself) this is intended to be satire.

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On the other hand....
Posted by: henderson on Aug 21, 2007 1:42 PM   
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I totally agree with the posters who remarked about learning "home economics" in school. I think we ALL (male & female) need to learn how to care for and feed ourselves. I wish cooking was still taught in high school, as well as how to do minimal sewing, write a check, wire a lamp, hammer a nail, use a saw, some basic plumbing, how to change the oil & plugs in your car, basic gardening, caring for animals, and so forth - all practical things that would make a great deal of difference in most people's lives. Kids wouldn't have to be graded on the courses, just given the opportunity to learn the basics of living.

To me, food means, literally, life (and love). Eating out, or having take-out, or eating out of cans or packages means eating stuff that certainly wasn't made with love, and I believe the cells in our body know that in a deep sense. Could that be part of the chronic illness some people have?

It's a shame some "life skills" are associated with bible-thumping. And SUBMISSION (horrors!!!). What an awful word. Makes me think of slavery.

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The Manipulated Man
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Aug 21, 2007 2:57 PM   
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Reference:
The Manipulated Man - Ms. Dr. Ester Vilar, MD
Women manipulate men by being "unable" to earn money. Ester
Vilar says the top "slaves" rule their "masters." The article is
about female chauvenism more than male chauvenism. Women
who major in "Home Ec" or English Lit or other useless subjects
are really husband hunting with the intent of marrying money and
never having to work. They see men as Security Objects rather
than as people. Did you ever try to get a Becky Home Eckey to
change her major to engineering? It just doesn't work.

Don't marry a Becky Home Eckey unless you would rather play
the role of a husband rather than have a genuine personal
relationship. If I wanted to play roles, I would have majored in
Drama. If you want to be a polygamist, beware: gunpowder has
been invented. It would be well worth it to some young single
dude to kill you in order to become a father. Polygamy is a 400
Million year old tradition among us chordates. We all have the
instincts for polygamy. The Democrats keep trying to dis-invent
gunpowder. Guess why.

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Home Economics
Posted by: ten on Aug 22, 2007 2:08 PM   
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This American, Western, culture take the man, husband, boy out of the home and into the outside paid work place. In many countries, as are our high paid restaurants w/ high paid chefs, males have a very active if not equal part in Home Economics.

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