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Joe Lieberman Defends Speech to Fundamentalist Christian War-mongers

Posted by Sarah Posner at 12:00 PM on August 6, 2007.


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In his Salon interview with Walter Shapiro this morning, Joe Lieberman defends his speech to Christians United for Israel last month. The goods:

You got a lot of criticism from bloggers for making a recent speech to Christians United for Israel. Everybody in politics makes speeches to groups that they haven't fully researched. Did you know exactly what you were endorsing when you spoke to them?

I know that they were very supportive of Israel, as I am. That they were supportive of the war in Iraq, which I am. And that they were very agitated about the rise of this particular Iranian regime. So I certainly didn't know -- and I don't know -- I go before groups all the time when I don't agree with them on everything.

So you are not endorsing their belief that the Rapture is imminent and that war in the Middle East presages that.

I have seen some things where Pastor [John] Hagee himself, the founder of the group, doesn't give support to that notion. But that's a private theological matter. Two reasons I went. One is a sign of my independence and liberation. I'm a believer that the more people you have in politics, the better. And that includes people of faith. If that is their motivation -- and no pun intended -- God bless them.

On the purpose for which the [group] is organized -- support of our ally Israel and opposition to extremist regimes that threaten both Israel and the United States -- I don't have any regrets about it. It was fascinating to me, actually, how enthusiastic the response was to the comments that I made about Iraq and Iran the night that I spoke.

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Sarah Posner is an investigative journalist whose work has appeared on Alternet, The American Prospect, The Gadflyer, and in other publications.


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Posted by: jareilly on Aug 6, 2007 12:12 PM   
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If there were a God he would have punched Joe Lieberman's exit pass a long time ago. I believe one of "his" commandments was a prohibition on taking his name in vain, a thing Joe Lieberman insists on doing with almost every specious, war-like utterance that issues from his mouth.

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Yeah
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 6, 2007 12:21 PM   
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Your religion stops being a personal matter when you start dragging it into government and to the way this nation or any nation conducts foreign policy.

Just because you don't want to try to force people to go to your church to the exclusion of all others does not mean you aren't proposing theocracy.

Your religious morals are about YOUR conduct... not mine. not anyone else's.

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Joe is dangerous
Posted by: krayeski on Aug 6, 2007 12:45 PM   
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The video of Joe Lieberman at the Christians United for Israel was shocking in that people really believe some of the garbage that Hagee throws out but also that our elected officials Lieberman included align themselves with people like this.

Ever since Joe Lieberman lost the Democratic nomination for his senate seat in CT, he has aligned himself so closely with G.W. Bush and Co., that he cannot even call himself Independent. He has supported the war, all of the items that degrade our civil liberties that have happened as a result of this war, supports a strategic strike on Iran, and now supports an evangelist who has been unkind about Israel and the Jewish people.

Hagees supporters think that the Jews have it all wrong and that when the rapture comes they will understand that and come around. What does that say for the Jewish beliefs?

To me this is dangerous behavior having a ranking member of the Senate, member of the Armed Services Committee and the Homeland Security Committee, aligning himself with a fundemental religous organization that supports pre-emptive strikes against countries for religous purposes. So if Joe votes to bomb Iran is he doing it because the voters in CT want it, is he doing it because Hagee wants it, is he doing based on his own religous beliefs or is he doing it because he thinks its the best thing for the country. I think this recent behavior really blurs those lines.

So Joe, hanging out with zealots that believe that the Koran is the work of the devil, I'm sure makes the people in Iraq and the entire middle east, feel that the US government has their every interest at heart.

So why would Joe Lieberman really want to hang out with those guys? Is he looking in any nook and cranny to find anyone that will agree with him?

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Reps over the moon
Posted by: particle on Aug 6, 2007 1:03 PM   
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Congress toads love religious nut jobs, including Rev. Moon.

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WHAT'S WITH JOE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 6, 2007 1:14 PM   
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Lately he can't seem to get anything right. Sometimes it's seems as though these guys keep going because that's all they know how to do. John McCain is another example. It's really kind of sad. Thanks, ANNA

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WHAT'S WITH JOE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 6, 2007 1:14 PM   
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Lately he can't seem to get anything right. Sometimes it's seems as though these guys keep going because that's all they know how to do. John McCain is another example. It's really kind of sad. Thanks, ANNA

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What is really dangerous about these people.
Posted by: phila.ken on Aug 6, 2007 6:14 PM   
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At the CUFI conference, Joe Lieberman said, "America is a faith-based initiative. We are not endowed by the great thinkers of the Enlightenment but endowed by our Creator ... Anyone who tries to separate American government from faith," he added, "is doing something profoundly unnatural." (From Theocrats Deny 'End Times' Theology Is Cause of Their Push for War With Iran, July 23rd by Sarah Posner.)

This means he supports a theocracy in the United States. Is this Bush's agenda too??

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I can't believe it!
Posted by: opeluboy on Aug 6, 2007 7:53 PM   
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Joe Lieberman vocally supports a group whose #1 trait is slavish devotion to an Israel that can do no wrong?

Let me see if any pigs are flying by the window.

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Pfft! Joe Liarman must be using alli . . .
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Aug 7, 2007 3:32 AM   
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. . . obviously full of sh*t and spewing violently. Out-republicaning republicans, the Connecticut yanker in king ass-wipes' court smiles while he squirts his foamy support of two states consumed by the thoughts of perpetual war. What a joke.

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Calamity
Posted by: reval on Aug 7, 2007 7:40 AM   
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What else does one expect to achieve when delusional and semi-deranged people are given the opportunity to shape public policy? By now one would think that it would be perfectly clear that Holy Joe, Man-on-dog Santorum, and Tom DeLoony are perfect examples of what one can expect.

Seek enlightenment. Reject ignorance and superstition.

Rev. El.
Pastor, WVCSR

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» RE: Reject ignorance and superstition Posted by: AsteroidMiner
Sad excuse
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Aug 7, 2007 10:31 AM   
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None are as blind as he who will not see.

plur

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What in the Hell is the matter with
Posted by: Ellie1 on Aug 7, 2007 12:17 PM   
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the people in Connecticut? Have they all lost their minds?

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