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Giuliani's Health Care Plan Will Make You Sick

Posted by Guest Blogger at 5:30 AM on August 2, 2007.


Howie Klein: Giuliani is unable to address the reality and the venality of the current system, designed for maximum profits for corporations to the detriment of patients and doctors.
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This post, written by Howie Klein, originally appeared on Down With Tyranny!

I speak with Democratic congressmembers and candidates every week. When I asked them what their constituents back in their districts are telling them what's important in the '08 election not a single one has failed to mention health care. Americans are very worked up over it, although millionaires... less so. Giuliani only knows millionaires, although he's heard there's some restiveness about the health care thing and that Michael Moore did some kind of Commie movie about it. Yesterday morning's NY Times lays out what should be the obituary for Giuliani's absurd attempt to perpetuate Bushism in the White House.

Hillary, Edwards and Obama couldn't have asked for a better present-- nor, could the American people. Giuliani is clear: he doesn't have any idea-- not a clue-- about the depths of despair the health care system is causing in this country. And, obviously, he has no idea how to approach it outside of tired, worn-out, right-wing slogans. The contrast with what he's pushing and what each of the Democrats has proposed sounds like its geared to raise money from Big Pharma lobbyists. It won't win any votes though.

In a shameful partisan speech in New Hampshire "he excoriated Democrats for advocating a 'socialist' solution to solving the problem of the nation's 44.8 million uninsured, saying the party's candidates encouraged a 'nanny government' by proposing a greater government role in health care."

Mr. Giuliani's vision stands in stark contrast to the plans offered by the leading Democratic candidates. Both Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina have proposed bolstering the employer-based system by requiring corporations to buy insurance for their workers, and raising taxes or rolling back tax cuts to increase subsidies for health care for the poor.

The decision by Mr. Giuliani to address health care so early in the campaign season is a recognition of the resonance the issue has among voters.

Using explicitly partisan language, perhaps intended to stir memories of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's failed bid to reform health care as first lady more than a decade ago, Mr. Giuliani cited horror stories and selective statistics about health care in foreign countries that provide universal coverage. Mr. Giuliani said that a "socialist" model would bankrupt the government.

"That is where Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards are taking you," he said. "You have got to see the trap. Otherwise we are in for a disaster. We are in for Canadian health care, French health care, British health care."

But Mr. Giuliani's speech offered very little in the way of specifics. He said his goal was to outline his "vision," with more details to come in the fall.

Giuliani is unable to address the reality and the venality of the current system, designed for maximum profits for corporations to the detriment of patients and doctors. He talks about the glory of "competition" but Americans have the experience to see right through the tissue of lies and absurd, failed ideology.

Mr. Giuliani, who is not seeking any changes in the current Medicaid program for the poor, did not promise that all the uninsured would be covered under his proposal.

He was also not specific about a federal government role in helping the poor or lower middle class buy their own insurance, saying he envisioned some combination of vouchers and tax refunds.

The ideas he outlined, steeped in a bedrock conservative faith in the ability of the free, unfettered market to solve problems, are similar to those advocated by President Bush.

The president's proposals have failed to gain traction and Mr. Giuliani did not try to address the central criticisms of moving away from an employer-based system.

For instance, he offered no assurances that insurance companies would not "cherry pick" by insuring only healthier people, or by charging much higher rates to more vulnerable people-- like those with chronic diseases.

Instead, he said, moving to a market system would create incentives for people to remain healthy.
Currently, he said, "there is no incentive to wellness."

If people are paying attention, those words should be chiseled onto his political tombstone.

UPDATE: GOP FAKE MODERATES RALLY TO ANTI-HEALTHCARE RUDY

Four of the most repulsive of the fake moderate Bush rubber stamps in Congress, Phil English (R-PA), Jim Gerlach (R-PA), Judy Biggert (R-IL) and Jerry Weller (R-IL), endorsed Giuliani and his hysterical quest to be the personification of a third Bush term.

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Is Rudy pulling our chains
Posted by: Lector on Aug 2, 2007 6:20 AM   
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"Mr. Giuliani said that a "socialist" model would bankrupt the government."

The "socialist" model is being used by our politicians who would rather exclude that sort of health care for the rest of American citizens. How many times will this have to be drilled in to the idiots who keep voting for the candidates who are against social health care?

Secondly, isn't the US government already bankrupt; they are a debtor nation to other countries, they borrow from the Federal Reserve system which in turn is owned by private individuals who charge the government to print the currency. (which is why the Federal Reserve system should be shut down)

Most of Europe's citizens without their socialized health care plans would be losing their homes, their jobs, and be just as miserable as Americans without a proper health care plan.

It seems so transparant what a miserable, political con man this Rudy is.

Lightfoot

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The false claim of a "free" market
Posted by: PJAW on Aug 2, 2007 10:48 AM   
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Why are these proponents of a "free market" for health care unwilling to mention one salient fact? The fact that insurance companies have statutory exemption from anit-trust laws. Further, it is illegal to create an "insurance purchasing group" (a group whose sole purpose for existence is to band together to negotiate the purchase of insurance). So, YOU are on your own in negotiating with insurance companies, while they are free to collude and talk among themselves about pricing and market strategies.

There is already enough money changing hands every year within the "health care system" to pay for all the care that every American might need (including the currently uninsured). Unfortunately, that money is under the control of private coporate interests who are far more interested in enriching themselves than in paying doctors and hospitals.

If we hire the government to manage this money, rather than allow private interests to continue doing so, we stand a better chance of getting our money's worth.

Hold onto your seat, the distorted rhetoric that will resound around this issue is just beginning to be reheated and it's going to be a major campaign discussion. When the question is raised, "Do you want a government bureaucrat making your health decisions?", remember that right now those decisions are being made by corporate bureaucrats who are interested only in profit. I'll take my chances with a "public servant" over someone making the choice between paying my doctor or making money for himself.

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Just Another Bubble Boy
Posted by: Russ Wellen on Aug 2, 2007 1:30 PM   
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Are these guys so insulated they never talk to a regular person? It's hard to think there was a time when New Yorkers embraced him.

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Forget about his HEALTHY CARE PLAN making us sick...
Posted by: helenwheels on Aug 2, 2007 1:56 PM   
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Ghouliani makes ME sick!! I can't wait 'til his election tanks. That is, unless the fix is in, and martial law is declared after a big "terrorist" attack 'round about election time....

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Am I supposed to be...
Posted by: opeluboy on Aug 2, 2007 6:16 PM   
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...shocked? The guy's a piece of shit. And he just hired Norman Podhoretz (an even bigger piece of shit) as his foreign policy advisor.

He'll probably win.

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Incentive to stay well?
Posted by: deejayvee on Aug 2, 2007 6:26 PM   
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That made me laugh. Seriously, show me one person who desires to be sick.

Idiots.

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Another dinosaur-brained paleo
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Aug 2, 2007 9:13 PM   
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trying to run for office. He's paleo alright: paleolithic! He has a lizard brain like all of us, but somehow missed out on the formation of a cerebral cortex - the part that has empathy, that has the gentler emotions, that shares. No, his is the brain that eats small creatures alive, never hearing the quiet, desperate cries. What worked once will always work, for him, so he's still talking about "commies", and no doubt "pinkos" and all the rest. If he were to get elected, we'd be a country of no rights, and no hope of any, at all, ever. He wanted to toughen the New York drug laws!

The man is so out of touch with middle America, we might as well be in the middle of Borneo. The sooner this bastard realizes he has less chance than a snowball in Hell or a Muslim in Homeland Security, the better off we'll all be.

Ian

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Who covers the "uninsurables"?
Posted by: ergo3 on Aug 3, 2007 5:55 AM   
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Whether the issue is S-CHIP for kids or the rest of us in corporate health insurance market, no one (except Kucinich and Paul) talks about the millions kicked out of coverage because they have pre-existing conditions that risk-aversive insurers won't touch with a ten-foot pole. Isn't the point of health care (not insurance) that when you are sick, you need medical attention, not when you are healthy? It has nothing to do with money and affordability. No insurance company or HMO wants to insure someone with an existing illness ...care is too costly (unless you are part of a larger employer group). Try getting insurance in the marketplace if you're a cancer survivor or have diabetes. And how will kids get coverage without S-CHIP if their parents are denied coverage?

We are all in this together as citizens, whether it's for health care or bridge inspections in Minnesota.

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Yes, France!
Posted by: Meta4 on Aug 3, 2007 8:07 AM   
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Yes, France! The #1 ranked country in health care-- yes, let's follow!

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Ron Paul is a MD so he "maybe" part of the current problem...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 3, 2007 8:53 PM   
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originally posted here
poppop_schell wrote;...push the decision on medical reform down to states to allow each state to develop what is best for them...

Single Payer, Universal Health care...
"WOULD" be administrated by the individual States anyway, but universality means a national single payer system as any other system just wouldn't be cost effective...
and if he truly was for health care he would know the issues and the solutions...
as adopted by 90% of all western nations... there are lots of models to look at!

The number one cost to the manufacturers in the US is health care with manufacturing plant closures the number one concern for people in the rust belt! Just think of all the jobs that could be saved if this simple concern was relieved from the manufacturing sector.
and the votes are up for grabs

The number one cause of bankruptcies in the US are health care related, imagine the saving to the people, the courts and economy if this burden was taken over by a national nonprofit organization.
and the votes are up for grabs

The number one cost to medical professionals is legal malpractice and the insurance to cover this added cost, just imagine the savings to the tax base through court costs alone if this burden was taken over by a single payer nonprofit organization.
and the votes are up for grabs

and the huge purchasing power that a single non-profit desk would provide, plus the multiple other cost effective benefits that universality provides!
and the votes are up for grabs

Nice try... but Dr. Ron Paul is not for universality, or for non-profit health care.
His policy from what you have listed boils down to mean, some coverage for some people, and no coverage for others... all depending on the ability of a states resources...
At best you are advocating a 2 tiered system, which would be a huge step backwards as that dumps all the expensive procedures to the non-profit organization, leaving the safer clients to the profit based systems... no thanks that definitely wont work!

A single payer system works... do your research, I'm sure Dr. Paul has and why he doesn't fully embrace universal health care coverage for all "is for him to detail"...

I don't think he would ever stand for a true non-profit health care system... but if he ever does a paper detailing his position... ensure he gets it published here on Alternet to be vetted... the people hear would love that!

He must realize that Health Care coverage is "thee" issue this election cycle...
It's the elephant in the room, and the mouse that is roaring...is us!!!...

HE MUST PAY ATTENTION TO IT OR LOOSE RELEVANCY!

This is not a left wing socialist agenda to reform government policy but is in reality a blatant capitalistic approach to bring sensible direction to the manufacturing base of this once powerful manufacturing society called the USA!

I love politicians that accept responsibilities for their actions and recognize positions where policy improvements can be made...
Ron Paul can go far... but so far he's way out in right field while others are way out in center and left field... I'm looking for a closing pitcher that can deliver a win and I don't care which field he's in as long as he delivers the win!

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