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Obama or Clinton? Who'd Be the Better Diplomat?

Posted by Guest Blogger at 5:51 AM on July 25, 2007.


Steve Benen: The Clinton and Obama campaigns clash over a YouTube debate question about meeting with leaders like Chavez and Kim Jong-Il.
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This post, written by Steve Benen, originally appeared on The Carpetbagger Report

The interesting, and unexpected, political flap of the day is Hillary Clinton's decision to go on the offensive against Barack Obama, following an interesting exchange from last night's debate.

First, a little context. A questioner asked whether, "in the spirit of...bold leadership," the candidates would be willing to "meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?" Obama went first.

"I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous. (APPLAUSE)
"Now, Ronald Reagan and Democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to Soviet Union at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire. And the reason is because they understood that we may not trust them and they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we had the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward. And I think that it is a disgrace that we have not spoken to them."
Then the question went to Clinton.
"Well, I will not promise to meet with the leaders of these countries during my first year. I will promise a very vigorous diplomatic effort because I think it is not that you promise a meeting at that high a level before you know what the intentions are.
"I don't want to be used for propaganda purposes. I don't want to make a situation even worse. But I certainly agree that we need to get back to diplomacy, which has been turned into a bad word by this administration. And I will purse very vigorous diplomacy.
"And I will use a lot of high-level presidential envoys to test the waters, to feel the way. But certainly, we're not going to just have our president meet with Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez and, you know, the president of North Korea, Iran and Syria until we know better what the way forward would be." (APPLAUSE)
It was indicative of what we've seen a few times in these debates. Obama and Clinton both offered answers that were well received, but Obama spoke in general terms about broad themes, while Clinton focused on the details.

The surprising part, however, was Clinton's campaign going after Obama on this today.

Indeed, Clinton referred to Obama's comments as "irresponsible and frankly naive," which is pretty strong language given the circumstances.

Clinton supporters characterized [Obama's response] as a gaffe that underscored the freshman senator's lack of foreign-policy savvy while Obama's team claimed his response displayed judgment and a repudiation of President Bush's diplomacy.
"I would think that without having done the diplomatic spadework, it would not really prove anything," former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said in a conference call with reporters set up by the Clinton campaign.
Obama's team summoned Anthony Lake, who was national security adviser in President Clinton's first term and now serves as a foreign policy adviser to Obama.
"A great nation and its president should never fear negotiating with anyone and Senator Obama rightly said he would be willing to do so -- just as Richard Nixon did with China and Ronald Reagan with the Soviet Union," Lake said.
I think by any fair measure, Clinton's answer last night was more complete and demonstrated a more detailed understanding of international diplomacy. Obama seemed to be speaking to the broader notion of the U.S. dealing directly with rivals and enemies, but Clinton recognized some of the dangers involved with these kinds of diplomatic overtures. The question specifically alluded to negotiations "without precondition" and within the "first year" of the candidates' presidency. I got the sense Clinton was probably more sensitive to the details than Obama was.

Clinton's campaign seems anxious to take advantage of what they perceive as a gaffe, but this is trickier that it sounds. For one thing, frontrunners generally don't go out of their way to go on the offensive against a candidate trailing by quite a bit in the polls.

For another, the criticism from the Clinton campaign seems predicated on the notion that Obama would be reckless and careless diplomatically. As Matt Yglesias put it:
[O]f course, if you construe what Obama said to mean that he intends to jet off to Pyongyang without any advance work having been done, I suppose that really would be "irresponsible and frankly naive," but that hardly seems like a fair assessment.
Agreed. Hillary's team emphasized today that they'd do all kinds of legwork before Clinton engaged in any kind of diplomacy with a country like North Korea. But the attack on Obama suggests he wouldn't do the legwork, which hardly seems realistic.

In all, I think Clinton did a nice job with the response last night, and delivered a better answer than Obama did. But today's follow-up might be a little too heavy-handed.

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Tagged as: clinton, obama, foreign policy, election08, youtube debate

Steve Benen is a freelance writer/researcher and creator of The Carpetbagger Report. In addition, he is the lead editor of Salon.com's Blog Report, and has been a contributor to Talking Points Memo, Washington Monthly, Crooks & Liars, The American Prospect, and the Guardian.


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Posted by: johnp on Jul 25, 2007 10:46 AM   
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Steve Benen seems reluctant to concede that Hillary was the better diplomat. He struggles to grant her a victory. But, in fact, this is merely further evidence that the Senator Clinton is considerably better qualified, as she is in most other areas, to deal with officials from friendly and unfriendly foreign nations.
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» RE: reluctant Posted by: peacefullaim
It has gotten place where being diplomatic won't even be necessary...
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Jul 25, 2007 12:27 PM   
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...Right now I'd settle for the "Scarecrow" from "The Wizard of Oz" just as long as they have a Brain...

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Sadly the US is so hated neither will do any good, plus the 'black' and 'woman'
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jul 25, 2007 1:58 PM   
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factor will hurt the diplomacy in more backward parts of the world, like Asia, Middle-East, and Africa. But Bush and his cronys have so damaged international relations that it probably won't matter much who is elected.

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TOUGH CALL
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 25, 2007 2:30 PM   
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Both seem more than capable in the diplmacy department. Hillary has the experience and Obama is a personable guy who comes across as very sincere. Both are very bright. ANNA

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Just politics
Posted by: Basenjis on Jul 25, 2007 5:43 PM   
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I find it difficult to take this little pretend squabble seriously, believing the "deciders" have already made their choice of Clinton as the Democrat's presidential nominee and Obama as running mate. They can't be seen as agreeing too much, and this is a pretty safe little difference of opinion with Clinton illustrating her more carefully considered response. It would be interesting to see Clinton really caught off guard without a carefully nuanced comment available, or in other words, without her flawless make-up.

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» RE: Just politics Posted by: peacefullaim
Diplomacy or Idiocy?
Posted by: damianmann on Jul 25, 2007 6:20 PM   
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How is NOT talking diplomacy? The absurdity of the Clinton camp is reaching Bush-like levels.

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nbc
Posted by: nbc on Jul 25, 2007 8:22 PM   
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Obama answered the question perfectly. The key word in the question is ... 'BOLD' .... The woman's answer is just more of the same bullshit from 'inside the beltway' thinking. She uses the word 'high' --- and we hear the fear in her thinking which is what we've had enough. 'High' synonamous as powerful? I feel any woman putting up with her husband's infidelities over and over and over again must have some other agenda. The Hill 'POWERTRIPPER'. Good heavens ---- she's worried about someone using a forward bold step in talking to another human being as 'possibly' as propaganda! What a loser. Obama is the next president of the united states of america. A black man again has to clean up all the white man's #^**.

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I don't see a pennys worth of difference. . .
Posted by: peacefullaim on Jul 26, 2007 8:23 AM   
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between Clinton and Obama. The difference is experience and maturity. Clinton is just more savvy at "playing the game". . .she's much better at that than the others. That said, based on her track record (very similar to Obama's, if not identicle) her presidency would be "more of the same". . .keep the status quo. I don't see her holding government or corporations accountable and I don't see her getting out of Iraq fast enough for me. I just don't see either of these two leading us in a new direction that will heal America.

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More on Obama and Hillary in Alternet. Still nothing on the true progressives in the race.
Posted by: johngary66 on Jul 26, 2007 3:02 PM   
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I mean of course Dennis Kucinich (who has initiated impeachment of Cheney.) and Mike Gravel (who rightfully accuse the other Dems. of being in the pocket of Corp. Interests). I really would like an explanation for this from Alternet! Maybe if more of you would call them on the carpet for the obvious blackout, they would admit their reasons.

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JOHN EDWARDS WOULD BE THE BEST DIPLOMAT
Posted by: SALLY EVANS on Jul 27, 2007 4:46 AM   
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EDWARDS WOULD BE THE BEST DIPLOMAT BECAUSE HE HAS THE MOST SUBSTANCE TO BACK HIM UP. HILLARY HAS SUPPORTED BUSH'S LYING WAR FOR TOO LOM AND OBAMA TALKS ABOUT HOPE BUT WHERE IS THE SUBSTANCE?

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how easy does it get?
Posted by: MichMath on Jul 27, 2007 9:43 PM   
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Another good discussion

Hillary Clinton vs. Barack Obama

I am not at all up to date about any controversies.
But I'd go for the Senator Obama stance.


Senator Obama is taking up the leadership responsibility that is becomming to leaders, breaking through vested interests and risking to create better circumstances.
In my opinion it is always good to have a chat.


Senator Clintons stance I find selfserving.

Intentions in general should be well known already, acummulated through a 40 billion a year intell-community I'd expect at least a tiny file on the 'opposing' leaders/countries
If Senator Clinton does not want to be used for propaganda purposes she should have gotten out of politics a few years ago, I'd say.
Then she admits that she is not fit to be used as a propaganda tool, because she'd make it worse ???
Then she admits not to know the way forward.

Damn... how easy does it get?

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