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"Sicko" Truth Squad Sets CNN Straight

Posted by Adam Howard at 4:52 AM on July 10, 2007.


Adam Howard: Michael Moore and his research team upstage mainstream media yet again with a point-by-point obliteration of CNN's biased, anti-"Sicko" reports.
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Michael Moore has outreported the mainstream media yet again. As promised he delivered a point-by-point takedown of Sanjay Gupta's biased, anti-Sicko, report on July 9th. Which was, by the way, one of several Gupta stories that were meant to point out the so-called "fact fudging" in Sicko. I wonder how they're gonna respond to this:

This post originally appeared on Michael Moore.com

SiCKO' Truth Squad Sets CNN Straight

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN: "(Moore says) the United States slipped to number 37 in the world's health care systems. It's true. ... Moore brings a group of patients, including 9/11 workers, to Cuba and marvels at their free treatment and quality of care. But hold on - that WHO list puts Cuba's health care system even lower than the United States, coming in at #39."

THE TRUTH:

* "But hold on?" 'SiCKO' clearly shows the WHO list, with the United States at number #37, and Cuba at #39. Right up on the screen in big five-foot letters. It's even in the trailer! CNN should have its reporter see his eye doctor. The movie isn't hiding from this fact. Just the opposite.
* The fact that the healthcare system in an impoverished nation crippled by our decades-old blockade (including medical supplies and drugs) ranks so closely to ours is more an indictment of the American system than the Cuban system.
* Although Cuba ranks lower overall than the United States, it still has a lower infant mortality rate and longer life span. (see below)
* And unlike the United States, Cuba offers healthcare to absolutely everyone. In an independent Gallup poll conducted in Cuba, "a near unanimous 96 percent of respondents say that health care in Cuba is accessible to everyone." ("Cubans Show Little Satisfaction with Opportunities and Individual Freedom Rare Independent Survey Finds Large Majorities Are Still Proud of Island's Health Care and Education," January 10, 2007.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brlatinamericara/ 300.php?nid=&id=&pnt=300&lb=brla)

CNN: "Moore asserts that the American health care system spends $7,000 per person on health. Cuba spends $25 dollars per person. Not true. But not too far off. The United States spends $6,096 per person, versus $229 per person in Cuba."

THE TRUTH:

* According to our own government - the Department of Health and Human Services' National Health Expenditures Projections - the United States will spend $7,092 per capita on health in 2006 and $7,498 in 2007. (Department of Health and Human Services Center for Medicare and Medicaid Expenditures, National Health Expenditures Projections 2006-2016. http://www.cms.hhs.gov/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/proj2006.pdf)
* As for Cuba - Dr. Gupta and CNN need to watch 'SiCKO' first before commenting on it. 'SiCKO' says Cuba spends $251 per person on health care, not $25, as Gupta reports. And the BBC reports that Cuba's per capita health expenditure is... $251! (Keeping Cuba Healthy, BBC, Aug. 1 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/5232628.stm )
* As Gupta points out, the World Health Organization does calculate Cuba's per capita health expenditure at $229 per person - a lot closer to $251 than $25.

CNN: In fact, Americans live just a little bit longer than Cubans on average.

THE TRUTH:

* Just the opposite. The 2006 United Nations Human Development Report's human development index states the life expectancy in the United States is 77.5 years. It is 77.6 years in Cuba. (Human Development Report 2006, United Nations Development Programme, 2006 at 283. http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/pdfs/report/HDR06-complete.pdf)

CNN: The United States ranks highest in patient satisfaction.

THE TRUTH:

* True, but even when the WHO took patient satisfaction into account in its comprehensive review of the world's health systems, we still came in at #37. ("World Health Organization Assesses The World's Health Systems," Press Release, WHO/44, June 21, 2000. http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-44.html ).
* Patients may be satisfied in America, but not everyone gets to be a patient. 47 million are uninsured and are rarely patients - until it's too late. In the rest of the Western world, everyone and anyone can be a patient because everyone is covered. (And don't face exclusions for pre-existing conditions, co-pays, deductibles, and costly monthly premiums).
* It's not that other countries are unhappy with their health care - for example, "70 to 80 percent of Canadians find their waiting times acceptable." ("Access to health care services in Canada, Waiting times for specialized services (January to December 2005)," Statistics Canada, http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/82-575-XIE/82-575-XIE2006002.htm)

CNN: Americans have shorter wait times than everyone but Germans when seeking non-emergency elective procedures, like hip replacement, cataract surgery, or knee repair.

THE TRUTH:

* This isn't the whole truth. CNN pulled out a statistic about elective procedures. Of the six countries surveyed in that study (United States, Canada, New Zealand, UK, Germany, Australia) only Canada had longer waiting times than America for sick adults waiting to schedule a doctor's appointment for a medical problem. 81% of patients in New Zealand got a same or next-day appointment for a non-routine visit, 71% in Britain, 69% in Germany, 66% in Australia, 47% in the U.S., and 36% in Canada. (The Doc's in, but It'll be AWhile. Catherine Arnst, Business Week. June 22, 2007 http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2007/ tc20070621_716260_page_2.htm)

* "Gerard Anderson, a Johns Hopkins health policy professor who has spent his career examining the world's healthcare, said there are delays, but not as many as conservatives state. In Canada, the United Kingdom and France, 'three percent of hospital discharges had delays in treatment,' Anderson told The Miami Herald. 'That's a relatively small number, and they're all elective surgeries, such as hip and knee replacement.' (John Dorschner, "'SiCKO' film is set to spark debate; Reformers are gearing up for 'Sicko,' the first major movie to examine America's often maligned healthcare system," Miami Herald, June 29, 2007.)
* One way America is able to achieve decent waiting times is that it leaves 47 million people out of the health care system entirely, unlike any other Western country. When you remove 47 million people from the line, your wait should be shorter. So why is the U.S. second to last in wait times?
* And there are even more Americans who keep themselves out of the system because of cost - in the United States, 24 percent of the population did not get medical care due to cost. That number is 5 percent in Canada, and 3 percent in the UK. (Inequities in Health Care: A Five-Country Survey. Robert Blendon et al, Health Affairs. Exhibit 5. http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/182)

CNN: (PAUL KECKLEY-Deloitte Health Care Analyst): "The concept that care is free in France, in Canada, in Cuba - and it's not. Those citizens pay for health services out of taxes. As a proportion of their household income, it's a significant number ... (GUPTA): It's true that the French pay higher taxes, and so does nearly every country ahead of the United States on that list."

THE TRUTH:

* 'SiCKO' never claims that health care is provided absolutely for free in other countries, without tax contributions from citizens. Former MP Tony Benn reads from the NHS founding pamphlet, which explicitly states that "this is not a charity. You are paying for it mainly as taxpayers." 'SiCKO' also acknowledges that the French are "drowning in taxes." Comparatively, many Americans are drowning in insurance premiums, deductibles, co-pays and medical debt and the resulting threat of bankruptcy - half of all bankruptcies in the United States are triggered by medical bills. (Medical Bills Make up Half of Bankruptcies. Feb. 2005, MSNBC. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6895896/)

CNN: "But even higher taxes don't guarantee the coverage everyone wants ... (KECKLEY): 15 to 20 percent of the population will purchase services outside the system of care run by the government."

THE TRUTH:

* It's not clear what country Keckley is referring to. In the United Kingdom, only 11.5 percent of the population has supplementary insurance, but it doesn't take the place of NHS insurance. Nobody in France buys insurance that replaces government insurance either, although a substantial amount buys some form of complimentary insurance. (Private health insurance and access to health care in the European Union. Spring 2004. http://www.euro.who.int/document/Obs/EuroObserver6_1.pdf)

CNN: "But no matter how much Moore fudged the facts, and he did fudge some facts..."

* This is libel. There is not a single fact that is "fudged" in the film. No one has proven a single fact in the film wrong. We expect CNN to correct their mistakes on the air and to apologize to their viewers.

UPDATE: Michael Moore directly confronted Sanjay Gupta on CNN's Larry King Live, the footage is here

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Adam Howard is the editor of PEEK.


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Excellent blog!!
Posted by: olderworker on Jul 10, 2007 5:52 AM   
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really, no need to comment. Just claiming my space on this website.

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Insurance
Posted by: ajmartin on Jul 10, 2007 6:51 AM   
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My insurance cost 4 times my highest tax bill and still I was refused payment on an $1800 screening test my doctor order because it was 'screening' not 'diagnostic'.

As I have paid over $6000 a year for the last 10 years only have had one $7,000 claim, I am left feeling helpless and afraid and wondering where my money has gone.

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» RE: Insurance ... Posted by: blitzmesser
» RE: Insurance Posted by: Krain61
Yay!
Posted by: jnutt on Jul 10, 2007 7:24 AM   
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I just wanted to say that I love what Moore is doing for this country. Also... I will soon be filing for bankruptcy because of my medical bills. I woke up deaf around two years ago and incurred $8,000 in medical bills. I actually lost my health insurance because my co-pays and prescriptions cost so much that I couldn't afford my premium. It cost $8,000 for some doctors to tell me that I am in fact deaf, and there isn't a damn thing they, I, or anyone else can do about it! Thanks for that one!

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» TELL YOUR STORY Posted by: paulaH
» RE: Yay! Posted by: Krain61
Wow
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jul 10, 2007 7:39 AM   
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From the second comment here, it seems that Americans pay at least 10 times the health premiums as Australians, and get piss-poor service. Plus we get the government-mandated subsidised care for routine doctor's visits and necessary medical care, so the (voluntary) health insurance simply provides cover for some elective stuff and better rooms, choice of doctors, etc, and dental plus some other therapies.

Now I know some blinkered, philistine, pig-ignorant clown is going to come trumpeting how great the US is about everything, including health care, but really, this is unacceptable. The idea that the richest country in the world (by many measures) has such a poor standard of health care is ridiculous.

Yes, I know that some folks don't like paying taxes so that other folks can have decent health care. But I don't mind: I think that as part of a society, we have a responsibility to do what benefits the society. And a healthy population definitely benefits the society. Plus, of course, as a child I was the beneficiary of the bounty of society, so I think it's reasonable to expect me to pay something back. What goes around, comes around.

Plus there's the other, unspoken, part of that accusation: the nasty undertone believes that people are poor because they're somehow less worthy, either lazy or stupid or whatever. Well, unless you can prove that in every case (or a significantly large proportion of cases), you should shut right up.

My stand: every child, every child, deserves excellent healthcare and an excellent education. Regardless of what their parents do or don't want. Children are not property, they're individuals, and to punish children for the perceived sins of their parents is cruel and counterproductive.

Sorry, rant over.

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» RE: Wow Posted by: Trazom
» Blinkered Philistine here Posted by: eddie torres
» It was a stretch anyway... Posted by: eddie torres
rgoalierob
Posted by: rgoalierob on Jul 10, 2007 8:00 AM   
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As a Physical Therapist, practicing for over 17 years, I have seen the constant exploitation of our system by the corporations that run the Nursing Homes and Hospitals/Rehab Centers. The Managed Care Insurance Industry was formed as a counterbalance to the inherent greed of those corporate interests. Now, they're all in bed together, in an orgy of grotesque proportion, sucking our Medicare system dry.
In the current system, patients are treated as a commodity, not as a human. The Corporations only care what RUG (Resource Utilization Group, ie. how much is this patient going to make us group).
The HMO's are part of the problem as they suck Medicare dry, while denying coverage, all to a tune of about 20% of the take.
So what do we end up with? Corporate providers who suck Medicare/Medicaid on one end, Corporate insurers who suck on it from the other. End result, the system sucks.

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» RE: rgoalierob Posted by: momilitia
Worst is yet to come, sadly
Posted by: Trazom on Jul 10, 2007 8:14 AM   
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We as Americans have a long way to go down this healthcare drain. I don't see anything improving for several years, especially now since Ghouliani and clan have put out their "socialized" medicine scare soundbyte. That's all the conservatives need in this country to put up any kind of opposition to universal health care. Particularly amusing, as Moore points out, is that we already have socialized medicine in the form of Medicare and Medicaid, and by many standards they are hugely successful compared to their private counterparts.

The other alarming aspect about our healthcare is that we have such a huge number of uninsured (and a much larger number insured but still one step away from financial ruin), all this despite traditionally good economic times. I say traditional because by government standards the economy is in good shape; unemployment is low, inflation is mild (for now), and GDP is up. Of course those who see past the official numbers know the true story, but that's a separate topic for debate. My question is, what happens to our uninsured when we start to go through a recession? How much worse can it get?

I fear a whole lot. Best case scenerio now, we enter into a recession or depression, and Medicare gets expanded to cover the entire population. I just don't see anything drastic happening short of a financial meltdown.

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» RE: Best case scenario Posted by: Lincoln fan
Michael is my hero
Posted by: bettyn on Jul 10, 2007 9:00 AM   
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I'm glad he set CNN straight on this. Our healthcare system sucks, especially for the very young and the very old. It's just another way for filthy rich corporate pigs to pick our pockets and screw over the middle and lower classes.

CNN= All FRAK all the time! Waiting for the next "bimbo eruption" so you can cram more of this garbage down our throats? Thought so.

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» RE: Michael is my hero Posted by: blitzmesser
West Coastian
Posted by: West Coastian on Jul 10, 2007 11:06 AM   
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QUOTE:"Plus there's the other, unspoken, part of that accusation: the nasty undertone believes that people are poor because they're somehow less worthy, either lazy or stupid or whatever."UNQUOTE

I'm Canadian and for the majority of my life, I was employed. Then I had a stroke. I was in the hospital for 8 days and still haven't been back to work. I paid taxes for years and years and now, because I'm unemployed, my medical coverage and prescription coverage is paid for through our socialized medical system. I have never been a free-loader but you can see how quickly situations can change for any one of you.

QUOTE:"My stand: every child, every child, deserves excellent healthcare"UNQUOTE

Every human being deserves excellent health care. Right off, the mistake is having Health Insurance and not a Medical Services Plan. You know damned well if it says "insurance" you're going to find exclusions for the most assinine reasons.

With my stroke, I required a ct scan and an MRI scan, all sorts of meds and all sorts of doctor/specialist visits. I had to pay absolutely NO money out of pocket for any procedures that I had done or any part of the hospital stay.

When I was paying the premium on my Medical Services Plan coverage, for a single person, it was approximately $164.00 quarterly........QUARTERLY.

Sure there's wait times for doctor visits or elected surgery but who cares? If it's an emergency, I go to the nearest hospital....NEAREST hospital. Not one that's approved by any HMO. I can also use drop in medical clinics at no charge.

You tell me where this system won't work for Americans? I could have been bankrupt with my stroke. Thank Christ it didn't come to that.

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» And how about... Posted by: buffeliscious
» RE: And how about... Posted by: Lincoln fan
Think CNN will apologise and admit their mistake?
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jul 10, 2007 11:23 AM   
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I'm holding my breath.

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Diagnosis Doctor? What sickens American Health Care...
Posted by: Rathan47 on Jul 10, 2007 11:45 AM   
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Sx = Ailing Health Care System
Dx = Greed
Tx = Universal Health Care

The truth is, the American way of life is personified in it's health care system. As Michael Moore put it when he was on Jon Stewart, "Even Cancer should turn a profit". Greed. That is the root cause of the sickness in the American Health Care system, plain and simple. A great many people get wealthy making sure the system runs as it does now. And they will fight tooth and nail to make sure it stays that way.

It will take a grassroots movement and a strong person in government to swing this argument over to the side of Universal Health Care. And with the state of Congress right now, and the weakness of the Democratic Party, I don't see that happening. If they can't stop a war, how could they possibly change Health Care?

Actually, a very strong argument could be made that a politically savvy presidential candidate could make a powerful run to office using Universal Health Care as a distraction away from the War on Terror and the Debacle in Iraq. Since people tend to worry more about themselves than others overseas, it would be a great carrot to dangle to the American public.

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SIMPLY COUNT THE NUMBER OF PHRMA ADS IN MSM
Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 10, 2007 2:11 PM   
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Simply count the number of PhRMA ads in MSM(mainstream media) including CNN and you have the sad reality.

The sociologists call it "affilation bias"

Wolfe Blitzer of CNN stated last night that news reporting is " business".Shameful statement! Therein lies the core of the problem! Like Medicine and Law, News Reporting is a profession-NOT a business.

Truth, justice and human flesh should not be for sale. Period!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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Insurance model is just wrong
Posted by: DrKen on Jul 10, 2007 2:15 PM   
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The insurance model envisions a population in which an adverse event occurs for a limited number of members. When all members contribute to the cost, the cost per member is reduced. In health care, though, EVERY member of the population engages in its use (not all catastrophically), and there is no way to spread general costs. Insurance is the wrong model. Medical Care Services is.

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» Excellent point Posted by: HeroesAll
Balanced Choice as a model for US Health Care
Posted by: DrKen on Jul 10, 2007 2:22 PM   
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Universal coverage does not have to conflict with market driven care. The Balanced Choice model http://www.balancedchoicehealthcare.org offers a blended approach that delivers the best of both worlds, and does so at a significantly lower cost. Providers and consumers become the primary players in the health care system, not insurers, employers, managed care companies and government agencies. Check out the site... you might find it very interesting.

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Vets and insurance
Posted by: rogus on Jul 10, 2007 3:02 PM   
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A few years back I tried to buy JUST DENTAL INSURANCE since very few veterans are eligible for dental care. I visited an independent insuarance agent who told me that most insurers only provide dental covereage if you also buy regular health insurance as well.

He then told me that because of my military related injuries only ONE company would even offer ANY kind of insurance to me.
The cost $200 dollars a month for the first 2 years during which I COULDN"T make a SINGLE CLAIM OF any kind or the insurance would be terminated!

That was in 2002. Don't believe the pre-enlistment hype about about free VA healthcare for the rest of your life. It was never true.

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» RE: Vets and insurance Posted by: blitzmesser
Michael, if you read this: thanks for making my day!
Posted by: blitzmesser on Jul 10, 2007 10:23 PM   
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I love your outspokenness, your lack of slick talk, your frankness and emotion.
You are wonderfully straightforward...

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SANJAY GUPTA
Posted by: Abushite on Jul 11, 2007 3:51 AM   
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Unfortunately Sanjay has almost zero experience as a practitioner - his outpourings are what he gleans from the internet. Nice guy - means well, but as an actor does not have enough time to present accurate information.
For him to become a better person he should offer his services to something like Medicine Sans Frontiers where he might learn real medicine on the front line

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Moore vs. Gupta on Larry King
Posted by: debnuss on Jul 11, 2007 4:31 AM   
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Michael Moore and Sanjay Gupta were guests on Larry King Live last night and were given the opportunity to "debate the facts." While I appreciate Michael Moore and appreciate his raising issues and exposing corruption when the mainstream media hasn't or refuses to do so, I'll have to say that in retrospect I think he was a bit out of line when he attacked the Gupta report. If you watch the Gupta report that preceded Blitzer's interview of Moore, you'll find that Gupta's report is generally very complimentary of "Sicko" and on Larry King last night Gupta agreed with Moore more often than not. In watching the Blitzer interview again, Moore's attack of the Gupta piece and Blitzer significantly undermines his credibility and while it drew attention to "Sicko," it's not the kind of attention that is constructive to the health care debate.

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» RE: Moore vs. Gupta on Larry King Posted by: mercianomad
Taxes or insurance premiums... what's the difference?
Posted by: room34 on Jul 11, 2007 10:39 AM   
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An earlier post triggered this thought, which had not occurred to me before...

One of the biggest criticisms of universal health coverage is that it would mean we all have to pay taxes to provide health care for others. Well, I have news for all of you government haters out there, but that's exactly what insurance premiums are!

Whether it's government or private insurers, the concept is the same: everyone pays a set, regular amount into a common pool, be it in the form of "taxes" or "insurance premiums".

The difference is that with a single, non-profit payer (i.e. the government), no matter how inefficient the government might be -- assuming the conservatives are correct that it is -- it will almost certainly be less bloated and bureaucratic than the combined heft of all of the private insurers currently operating (meaning there's a lot of redundancy out there), billing processes could be streamlined, plus there would not be the overhead of shareholder dividends and obscenely inflated executive salaries.

Oh yeah, and 15% of the population wouldn't be left with no coverage whatsoever!

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newworld
Posted by: Ldy7shtr on Jul 11, 2007 7:06 PM   
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Its time someone had the brass dingles to speak up for the American public, since, afterall Their voice doesnt seem to count for much in the electoral windfall. We all do what we can out of pure human dignity and love of our neighbors and out of the kindness of our hearts to help the world and its up to the ones who run our country to keep their electoral promises and take care of us! If that means someone has to have a bark instead of a voice and use the media for something other than exposing Paris Hilton to say HELLO WE are STILL out here....than so be it. We dont need more cops and 25th century bullet proof vests, more technical schools. We need health care for everyone, protection in our inner schools, a solution to the homeless problem.... and a hault to the production of nuclear weapons (since we already have enough to blow ourselves of the evolutionary map!.) Go MR. Moore Go!

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Seriously...you're going to just believe whatever you hear?
Posted by: Joshk on Jul 12, 2007 2:13 PM   
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First off this business of just reposting what someone else posts on their own blog is ridiculous. Come up with your own ideas.

Secondly, Moore is trying to sell tickets. If he really cared about health he would've done more than get a haircut, new glasses and a shave. How about a trip to the gym fat ass?

Third, it must be mentioned that Moore does make a valid point that no one disagrees with...our healthcare system sucks and needs to be changed. He just attacks people because the facts he got from his intern researchers were a little off and he doesn't want to loose any money from a lack of ticket sales.

Finally, the simple fact of the matter is that Gupta and Keckley were both contributing to the idea that Moore is trying to pull off...only they are the ones actually taking the ideas and policies and attempting some sort of reform. Both Dr. Gupta and Mr. Keckley agree with Moore that our healthsystem horrible and needs reformation. If Moore would actually take a minute to step back and just look at Mr. Keckley he would see that the "Think Tank" he heads for Delloitte is designed around health care reform through Evidence Based Medicine which in itself is a completely different monster that must be addressed before universal "free" healthcare can be reached. The simple fact here is that Moore is looking for any way to create controversy to increase his ticket sales and he's good at it. If you look at his website the facts attempting to discredit Keckley are not bad things at all. He did give money to a republican, but it was only 2500....oh and Moore didn't mention that within that same election peroid, he voted democratic. Moore goes on to say that he has ties with Blue Cross and another health insurance company, but this was during a period in which Keckley was head of EBM Solutions (Evidence Based Medicine). That's right, Keckley was calling for reform even as far back as then. This whole notion of discrediting the souorce for no apparent reason other than the fact that you are not willing to say, "Hey, I messed up some facts because I'm not a doctor, but I'm willing to fight for things so I can stay in the news and fill seats at my movie." is completely absurd. Look at the real facts: everyone agrees with Moore that the system must be changed, but in order to do so, the current system and it's alternative must be fully understood.

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impeachment
Posted by: gsaephanh on Jul 13, 2007 1:11 PM   
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Call in your vote TODAY for impeaching Bush and Cheney at this number: 202-225-0100

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office is taking calls voting for Impeachment of Bush/Cheney at 202-225-0100. PLEASE CALL TODAY. At the toll free capitol switchboard #s below, you can also call your particular district’s congressional representative to insist that they support impeachment for Cheney. E.g., for Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s H Res 333 for Cheney; please say:

“In addition to supporting Kucinich’s bill H Res 333, I would also support a similar Impeachment Resolution against Bush, especially after the disgraceful Scooter Libby sentence “commuting” and the following issues: wiretapping, torture, numerous 9/11 intelligence misrepresentations, the continued occupation of Iraq, gross negligence during Hurrican Katrina, the Valerie Plame CIA leak, […list your other grounds…] ..”[see resolutions on tab #2 for other grounds for impeachment]).

LANIC requests that Americans call today…Not tomorrow or next week. Every call adds to the extraordinary grasswoots and nationwide movement’s pressures on House Speaker Pelosi to act now .before further innocent lives are lost in Iraq and elsewhere. Last week 28 Americans lost their lives. Over the July 4, 2007 weekend over 400 Iraqis lost their lives…

SEND MAIL TO HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI: Attn: Nancy Pelosi, House Representative/Speaker of the House, 235 Cannon H.O.B., Washington, DC 20515 ; Pelosi’s Fax # 202 225-8259

Pelosi’s e-mail address :

Americanvoices@mail.house.gov

CC her at: sf.nancy@mail.house.gov

Please send her a pro-impeachment email and a specific call to endorse H Res 333. Note: On Saturdays/Sundays, Pelosi’s office has a comment line at which you can leave a voicemail. Your message will be transcribed and relayed to her. Please do encourage your family/friends to contact the same number. Refer them to www.bcimpeach.com for the actual telephone #s & contact info.

Find out who your Congressional representative is and call that person. For toll free numbers to your Congress rep: (800) 828 – 0498; (800) 459 – 1887; or (866) 340 – 9281. You will be connected once you name your congress person. The staff aid should take detailed notes and provided to the Congressional representative.

Final Note: Please say “I support Impeachment based on ____. I’d like to know where “[representative name]” stands on this issue.” Let’s strike while the Libby fury keeps the iron hot! Please call and Act Now!

PLEASE ALSO CONTACT THESE KEY CONGRESSIONAL REPS RE IMPEACHMENT:
Representative Capitol Phone Capitol Fax
Howard Berman 202-225-4695 202-225-3196
& 818-944-7200 818-994-1050

MAILING ADDRESS FOR BERMAN
Congressman Howard L. Berman
14546 Hamlin Street, Suite 202
Van Nuys, CA 91411

Henry Waxman 202-225-3976 202-225-4099
Loreta Sanchez 202 225-2965 202-225-5859
D. Watson 202 225-7084 202-225-2422
LindaSanchez 202 225-6676 202-226-1012
L. Solis 202 225-5464 202-225-5467
A. G. Eshoo 202 225-8104 202-225-8890
L. Roybal/Allard 202 225-1766 202-225-0350

http://www.bcimpeach.com/

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Revamp the entire Politicial System
Posted by: gdsnide on Jul 14, 2007 10:12 PM   
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The only wat things will get changed is to revamp the entire politicial system.
These Politicians have been getting to much money from to many Comppanies for to many years for them to change.

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