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Violence like that at Virginia Tech is commonplace in Iraq's universities

Posted by Joshua Holland at 8:57 AM on April 17, 2007.


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Just take a step back for a moment and think about how frightening those shootings at VA Tech were yesterday, and then consider -- painful though it may be to do so -- that Iraqis face that kind of massacre every day, and they have done so for several years. As Larry Johnson points out, below, 32 people died in Virginia on Monday and 65 perished in separate attacks in Iraq the day before. The latter hardly made the news.

Consider, also, a small piece of the nightmare that our government unleashed: the violence that's plagued Iraqi universities during the occupation.

IraqsSlogger ...

In Iraq, universities struggling to operate in the midst of a war zone have been struck repeatedly by bombings, shootings, assassinations, and abductions that have left behind hundreds of killed and wounded, victims and forced thousands of students and professors to stay away, or even leave the country.
On Monday, the same day as the Virginia Tech mass shooting, two separate shooting incidents struck Mosul University, one killing Dr. Talal Younis al-Jelili, the dean of the college of Political Science as he walked through the university gate, and another killing Dr. Jaafar Hassan Sadeq, a professor from the Faculty of Arts at the school, who was targeted in front of his home in the al-Kifaat area, according to Aswat al-Iraq.
In January, Baghdad's Mustansiriya University sufferred a double suicide bombing in January that killed at least 70 people, including students, faculty, and staff. A month later, another suicide bomber struck at Mustansiriya, killing 40.
Kidnappings of students and faculty are another all-too-common occurrence on Iraq's campuses. Members of the univerisity community have been abducted and murdered for sectarian reasons, or simply held for ransom. At a Baghdad University, one student reported to Slogger that he was abducted by sectarian thugs working in cooperation with the National Guard Forces who were supposed to be protecting the campus.
In January, students reported that violent events had threatened students and that attendance rates at Baghdad University had dropped to six percent.
Earlier this month, the Dr. Qais Jawad al-Azzawi, head of the Geneva-based Committee International Committee of Solidarity with Iraqi Professors said that 232 university professors were killed and 56 were reported missing in Iraq, while more than 3,000 others had left the country after the 2003 invasion.
I don't mean to minimize the tragedy that occurred yesterday in Virginia, and I certainly mean no disrespect to the victims. But it's easy to become inured to the horrors experienced every day by the Iraqi people since the U.S. attacked them in 2003; the fact is there's a calamity in Iraq almost every day, and that's been the case for four long years. There's nothing wrong with remembering that at a moment as tragic as this one.

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Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.


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IRAQ, VIRGINIA TECH PART OF SAME BLOODY TAPESTRY
Posted by: TheStranger on Apr 17, 2007 9:40 AM   
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America is a big tent, and it has room for people killed by the mad policies of an administration that panders to a twisted few who wrongfully claim the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights specifically protects the gun rights of homicidal maniacs while it simultaneously pursues a war on the fly, restating its aims as it continues playing its deadly, ad libbed charade. Those of us who see flaws in these policies -- and we are the majority -- proceed with our melancholy, curious acceptance.
http://ivangoldman.blogspot.com/

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Ugh.
Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 17, 2007 10:19 AM   
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Giant- GIANT posters of 3rd trimester aborted fetuses on the CU campus yesterday and today. Pushing for a "culture of life".

Pro war, pro death penalty, pro life. All the violence in the world is insane.

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» RE: Ugh. Posted by: Bibs
Terrorism in Virginia
Posted by: Astroboy on Apr 17, 2007 10:38 AM   
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America gets another taste, but this time it's not from Arab "terrists".
Mr. President, it seems they don't have a monopoly on it anymore.

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» RE: Terrorism in Virginia Posted by: poppop_schell
A salutary perspective
Posted by: CJC on Apr 17, 2007 10:42 AM   
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Thank you for providing a wider context, not that the tragedy in Virginia has any connection to the disaster going on in our name in Iraq.
A society where weapons are readily available is not safe for anyone.

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The Violence is Connected
Posted by: buffeliscious on Apr 17, 2007 11:08 AM   
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It's easy to separate these two areas of violence... Iraq and here on our own soil. But the loud message from all of those involved in this war in Iraq is WE CAN SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS BY KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE! WE CAN RIGHT A WRONG BY LAUNCHING A BLOODY ATTACK! Modern armies are killing machines designed to carry out this principle. It's not a surprise that troubled people see the message of this war and turn to violence to solve their problems. In a place that values individualism above all else, there's not much else to turn to.

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EXCELLENT POINT
Posted by: Mewsician on Apr 17, 2007 11:13 AM   
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Thanks for this perspective. It's absolutely an essential one, and not likely to get a single mention on any MSM outlet. Ever since 9/11, I have railed among friends about the disgusting ease with which Americans can simply dismiss - if they even acknowledge it at all - the pain and tragedy that occurs daily on soil other than our own. It's all part of the revolting myth of American exceptionalism and, like so much about our culture, just serves to reinforce the tunnel vision our society perpetuates about itself.

Senseless death is senseless death, regardless of when, where and to whom it happens. Period. This includes Iraqis, Ethiopians, Sri Lankans and everybody else in addition to Americans. For a country so full of self-righteous religious charlatans, it's just amazing that this point is so completely lost. "Culture of life" my ass.

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» RE: EXCELLENT POINT Posted by: particle
» RE: XCELLENT POINT Posted by: Bibs
Anyone read _The Poisonwood Bible_?
Posted by: porgygirl on Apr 17, 2007 11:59 AM   
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That powerful novel by Barbara Kingsolver brings home a similar point as this good post. Murders are not less painful, not less grieved, not less significant, when they happen to non-Americans.

If we could learn some empathy from this terrible event in Virginia--if our sociopathic administration could--and see the daily atrocities in Iraq more clearly for what they are, that would be one gift to come out of all this woe.

We need to stop talking about "victory" in Iraq and begin talking about reparations.

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Perspective
Posted by: placid on Apr 17, 2007 1:54 PM   
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Yesterday, when I heard the awful news from Virginia Tech I was stunned.Perhaps it was a feeling of vulnerability. A feeling of "What" next? When? Where? Who? And the numbers astounded me!Yet something else made me uneasy. And it seemed I was not the only one. Picking up the newspapers,each day I read about our daily troops dead,many Iraqi civilians dead...next paper,the same and the next.I realized the obvious we have been barraged for over three years(maybe 4,I have lost track).Mr.Bush(I will not call that man President.)no, the terrorists will not follow us.Does anyone remember Tim McVie.He was and is us.What I recognized is year after year young people in Iraq are trying to get an education as is true here. What happened ?Here, it appears the youngman was disturbed .The bits and pieces came in.But death , heartache , will remain in our papers.Tech will be relived in our heads.This is nothing new to the Iraqi people everyday wondering if they will see their loved ones again. Difference---a political administration distorted ,lied,used fear to break the people their way.I am not a betting person but check the number of people who do not come home in Iraq on April 17,2008. How many American troops will die.We will be there unless we REALLY get mad,WE THE PEOPLE.Pop culture will get blamed for violence here but the virtual war games actually help develop our "W"warriors but wail about Hollywood. .I heard part of Bush's comments at Tech. Leaders need to be present but he has not show leadership in attending one,not even one ,military funeral.He has brought war,fear,lies,death,distortion cowardace. So on April 16 2006 we were shocked by the feel of the "medication" he ordered in Iraq with the terrible taste of Bush Iraqi policy. HAVE WE HAD ENOUGH . Who Really has his finger on the trigger? I am ashamed of how this man and pals have treated you and I and ashamed of his reveling in the blood of our troops and the Iraqi people.We must hold our constitution together ourselves if it slowly,quietly is being unraveled-which it is. I am angry as hell for Bush THE DIVISIVE PRESIDENT;So long as he keeps us apart he will continue to destroy our democracy.We are a pushover unless united. Mary Basombrio

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Thanks for the perspective, MLK would have agreed.
Posted by: YinRising on Apr 17, 2007 2:46 PM   
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"My third reason moves to an even deeper level of awareness, for it grows out of my experience in the ghettoes of the North over the last three years -- especially the last three summers. As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they ask -- and rightly so -- what about Vietnam? They ask if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent."

Beyond Vietnam -- A Time to Break Silence
MLK

http://americanrhetoric.com/speeches /mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm
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After reading this article in my newspaper
Posted by: Ellie1 on Apr 17, 2007 2:56 PM   
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I turned to the next page to see movie ads for flicks advertised as violent scenes of blood and killing. These movies appeal to young men. A coincidence? I think not. We are a mentally sick country, from the oval office on down. We have even elected a star of these violent movies! Christian fanatics have done nothing to prevent or solve this, in fact they help to foster it Doesn't a "Christian" god support George Bushit, the biggest murderer ever to disgrace this country? As these right wing religions have grown, so has our tolerance for violence, and our belief that violence and war solves problems. We have an administration that refuses to engage in debate and dialogue, especially with "rogue" nations. We attack and kill them instead. I am ashamed to be an American.

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YES
Posted by: the islander on Apr 17, 2007 3:45 PM   
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Not that you need my 2 cents worth but -- yes. It's all I can think of. What kind of a mind doesn't immediately see that! It's a mirror image of what we are broadcasting every day in Iraq.
And I remember this, as well: "What goes around comes around."

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Violence
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Apr 17, 2007 3:44 PM   
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Violence is a twisted attempt to restore justice. Revenge has been a code of honor for thousands of years. Karma is involved. Violence can be solved by using reason to understand true causes. A good place to start is with government violence, using the current superpower as a symbol. Most liberals admit that the U.S. has a violent history, starting with the American Indians. Liberals like Mr. Holland seem to have their heart in the right place but have a blind spot when it comes to symbols like 911. Why? 911 truth forces us to face the violence in ourselves, and for most of us, liberals and conservatives, that is not acceptable. It opens a Pandora's box without hope at the bottom. The Red Brown Blue party advocates for The Lover Government which includes tough love and true justice. The Iraq war is not a just war. It's quite easy to accept that. It takes more intelligence and courage to see that 911 was a government sponsored wedge that made the Iraq debacle possible. Until major events like 911 can be penetrated with tough love and true justice, liberals will be co-dependents with conservatives, fooled by the ruling patriarchs.

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HOW MANY DIE EVERYDAY IN THIS COUNTRY BY THE GUN?
Posted by: thetruth07 on Apr 17, 2007 6:18 PM   
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How many people die everyday in this country by the gun? I'm sure its more than 33. This only seems to get attention when there's a large number of people dying at one time.
When will we pay attention nationwide to this problem?

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WAS THERE IRAQ UNIVERSITY VIOLENCE BEFORE OUR INVASION?
Posted by: poppop_schell on Apr 18, 2007 7:38 AM   
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IF your lurking Mr. Holland, can you tell us what level of viloence if any was occuring at Iraqi Universities before 2003?

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» SHOULD PROFESSORS BE ARMED? Posted by: poppop_schell
Something that would never be considered.
Posted by: symcokid on Apr 18, 2007 8:30 AM   
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I would gladly turn in or do away with my guns if this War Mongering Administration of ours would do away with their weapons of mass destruction, and I'm sure there are many other gun owners that would do likewise.

I often wonder what comes into peoples minds when they see the havoc and devastation we are putting upon the Iraqi's on a daily basis - the Virginia Tech incident probably would be of little or no note any place in Iraq.

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samdog
Posted by: ERicPott on Apr 18, 2007 10:09 AM   
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Yesterday four bombs killed 164 people in Bagdad. Kinda makes the 33 killings at Virginia Tech look like bush league. Oh, I forgot........Bagdad is Bush's league.

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» RE: samdog - so true. Posted by: symcokid