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MoveOn's Iraq townhall delivers [VIDEO]

Posted by Jan Frel at 8:25 PM on April 10, 2007.


It's pretty clear which Dems are serious about Iraq, and which aren't.
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I just finished listening to MoveOn's Iraq townhall with the Democratic candidates. Just like the health care debate held in Nevada organized by SEIU and Center for American Progress there are a lot of advantages in having the candidates discuss one issue in depth together, and also by using internet platforms to have regular people ask the questions.

Also by using progressive media pipelines to distribute the audio of the event as MoveOn did by partnering with Air America, the rest of the media is forced to access this event through either MoveOn's site or Air America in the way that Drudge sends a lot of his traffic to the right-wing media ecosystem [Videos of the entire event are available HERE; a sample can be viewed to the upper right]. There's the "feedback" element that MoveOn employed, asking the audience to vote on "Which Candidate is best able to lead the country out of the war in Iraq?" We'll get a near real-time evaluation of how the candidates performed.

Then there's the substance of the townhall itself, it was rather clear listening to one candidate speak after another who really wants out of Iraq and who doesn't -- and it wasn't in the details; this thing is about the language candidates use demonstrating their political will regarding Iraq. There needs to be extra clarity about how strong the candidate wants out of this.

Take Joe Biden, who said: "In my view, any responsibly candidate needs only... needs not only a plan for getting our troops out of Iraq, he or she needs a plan for what we’re gonna leave behind. So, America’s interest, to protect it, we don’t trade a dictator for chaos in a regional war. I’m concerned about my son, a national guard, going to Iraq. He has not been there yet. But I’m also concerned about 15 years later having to send my grandson or granddaughter, and I’m the only the candidate with a plan."

Of course Biden wants out, right? But no. He's talking about leaving a dictator or chaos if the troops get out -- and to "protect" Iraq from such a scenario. Hillary Clinton was no more serious. She talked about taking a look at the security situation in 2009 to see whether troops were still needed. I could go on, but the point is illustrated. The value here of getting these candidates to all speak in some depth on the same issue is that it's easy to see where the differences are, and who is offering the most substantial plan. Biden, Dodd, Obama, Clinton, Richardson -- they all have different plans, and said different things. But listening to one after the other I can tell you they aren't terribly serious about them. Edwards was slightly more believable, but tethered his discussion to the the current congressional debate. And Kucinich's language was miles more serious and unequivocal about leaving.

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Jan Frel is AlterNet's senior editor


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Kucinich has always been the most serious about this issue
Posted by: asilsfable on Apr 10, 2007 10:36 PM   
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and the most dedicated to peace in general. I've met him; this guy reeks sincerity. He's one of those rare birds who manages to stay clean even in the dirty world of Washington.

We have to get out of Iraq. With serious domestic issues looming around the corner, we simply won't be able to afford it anymore.

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Politicians Don't Draw Up War Plans
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 11, 2007 8:51 AM   
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The job of the politician is to give the Military guidelines, goals, timetables and boundaries- not detailed plans. The job of the Generals and Admirals is to offer the politicians options, proposals, contingencies and assessments before the decision is made and then the detailed planning and execution after being approved by political authorities. Asking a member of Congress to draw up plans for withdrawal is like asking your mechanic to take your appendix out.

How do I know this? Back in the day, before PowerPoint and even Harvard Graphics, all briefings were done on 35mm slides and transparencies. These were prepared by graphic artists, draftsmen, illustrators and photographers. During the Reagan Cold War Era I worked in that capacity in support of such activities both in the US and overseas as part of my duties. Working with everyone from 4-star Generals to Privates and Civilians inside and outside the DoD on both US and NATO materials, I got a good look at how it works and how it is supposed to work.

What we need to see from Representatives, Senators and Presidential wannabes is not a detailed plan but a clearly defined vision for what we want to do, what we are prepared to pay for it in lives, political capital and treasure, with what alliances and partnerships and along what timeline. Nothing more and nothing less.

When a President or Congress delivers such guidance to the planners, a set of detailed options will be drawn up along with an analysis of advantages and disadvantages for each option. From there the final decision will rest with the political leadership.

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Hillary's response to my question
Posted by: Bob in AZ on Apr 11, 2007 8:53 AM   
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The question to Senator Clinton about a "continuing presence" in Iraq to "protect vital interests" was mine. I'm disappointed that she didn't answer it, but not surprised. I'd like to find a compelling reason to support her, because she is probably the best qualified candidate in the race, and could be an effective President. Unfortunately, I heard only the same old platitudes and vague promises. Her initial response to my question - "My goal is to end the war when I'm President" - seems to indicate that her primary focus is getting elected rather than taking serious action to end the war now. I'm not willing to wait until 2009 to stop this foolishness, and it's not at all clear to me what she would do about it then, anyway. It may be that Ms. Clinton will be the nominee, but I'll have a hard time voting for her.

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» RE: Earthian Posted by: Bob in AZ
Thebigkate
Posted by: Thebigkate on Apr 11, 2007 11:59 AM   
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I beg to differ with this summary of the MoveOn Iraq Town Hall meeting, one of which I hosted last night. I think that despite Dennis Kucinich's unquestioned sincerity, he is waay too polarizing to be a credible candidate. And, yes, all of the candidates gave varying degrees of campaign rhetoric. Most disappointing was Hillary Clinton, who sounded confrontational and defensive, rather than pro-active and progressive. Barack Obama was his usual brilliant, articulate self--but he sounded tired, listless and unprepared. Only one candidate, John Edwards, displayed the passion and reasoned argument in talking about Iraq that showed he means business! And he was the only candidate who stated the obvious--that the Democrats must anticipate a veto and play hardball with Bush. The public must see how absolutely this whole war funding fiasco is the President's problem, not the Democrat's!! My view is that if Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are truly committed to getting us out of Iraq, they will sign up to co-sponsor the Feingold-Reid Bill TODAY!!!!!

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» RE: Thebigkate Posted by: cephalis
Kuchnich's Promise to Investigate 9/11 Puts Him Head & Shoulders Above the Other Democrats
Posted by: BillDouglas on Apr 12, 2007 5:32 AM   
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If a candidate doesn't have what it takes to demand the whole truth about an event that has stripped our liberty and launched us down the road of endless war . . . then does anything else they say really matter?

Kucinich's promise to the "Students for 9/11 Truth", see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIS6UJ8kRlY

Really, if Hillary and Obama ignore the questions of the nearly 100 high level military, intelligence, and aeronautics experts who say the facts don't add up in the official story of 9/11, and many saying the facts point to an inside job . . . if Hillary and Barrack cannot face that reality . . . then every program they promote will be based on a lie.

Everyone should encourage them to google "9/11 Mysteries" and get educated on the lies of 9/11/2001, lies that have bankrupted everything Americans hold dear in their democracy.

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Kucinich will not win the nomination so don't worry
Posted by: xbj on Apr 12, 2007 8:45 AM   
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Not even an Abraham Lincoln could have gotten within a million miles of the White House after TV was invented.

Telegenic is the first quality a President needs. Being white in this still very racist country is the second. After 8 years of Bushhell and his endless war, not having a southern accent is the third.

That leaves one front runner, and she's had prior experience in the job, and did damn well too. She also has a history of doing the right thing despite what she said on the way to the White House TO GET THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE the FIRST TIME AROUND.

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