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Iraq supplemental debate: both sides are right

Posted by Joshua Holland at 9:52 AM on March 30, 2007.


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Reading Don's interview with MoveOn's Wes Boyd and Joan Blades -- and the comments that followed -- left me with the same feeling that I had last week following the back-and-forth over the Iraq supplemental: both sides of the debate are absolutely correct.

On its face, of course it's ludicrous to give Bush hundreds of billions more for Iraq and call it a bill to end the war. And, yes, Congress does have the power of the purse and, yes, it is perfectly within its rights to use that power. As I've written before, it's also true that the situation on the ground in Iraq is such that any measure that doesn't force the issue is inherently immoral.

I don't think Americans sent dozens of Democrats to Congress to give the Bushies a blank check to continue their war. I also agree that there is a not insignificant number of Dems who are so terrified of being called weak by the right-wing noise machine that they're no longer capable of doing the right thing when it comes to war and peace.

So Code Pink and AfterDowningStreet and Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee and Lynn Woolsey and everyone else who opposed the supplemental were (are) right.

But that doesn't make MoveOn and Nancy Pelosi and David Sirota and much of the "netroots" and everyone who worked hard to pass that supplemental wrong. The reality is that they had a chance to get Congress to pass a bill that was a first step towards ending the war and they had no chance whatsoever of getting them to cut off funds or to set a final, short timetable for withdrawal. They simply didn't have the votes -- that's the reality. It's pointless to push legislation -- even good legislation -- if you know going in that it's cooked (actually, there is a point in some circumstances, but that's a topic for another time).

The argument that ending a war is a major undertaking that requires a cohesive strategy is not wrong. Generally speaking, isolating Bush from Republicans in Congress while presenting the appearance (at least) of Democratic unity against the occupation is a good overall strategy.

The troubling thing about how the debate played out was that opponents of the war -- both sides fir that description -- seem to have a difficult time disagreeing with one another respectfully. Opponents of the supplemental were branded as wild-eyed lefties who were too stupid to grasp the nuance of what was going on; supporters were supposedly sell-outs, shills for the military-industrial complex.

The reality is that we need both wild-eyed activists in the streets and people working the halls of Congress. That's exactly what an inside-outside strategy is supposed to look like. Consider the fair trade movement: we've effectively stopped the WTO expansion process in its tracks and we did it by rioting outside, and sending progressive trade lawyers, legislative staffers and analysts in suits and ties inside to work the delegates -- to work the system. Neither side would be as effective were it not for the existence of the other.

Any really large political undertaking is well-served in bringing pressure from different directions and with different styles. That's a lesson the anti-war movement would do well to learn.

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Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.


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Posted by: Knowmad on Mar 30, 2007 10:45 AM   
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Precisely Josh. Tedious as it may be, the road to this immoral invasion was long and complicated and, like it or not, moral Americans are going have to be patient; rectifiying this criminal activity will take some time as well. It's very important not waste energy turning on one another, something the other side will certainly attempt to trick you into doing - and make no mistake, propoganda and dishonesty is one thing they are very good at. Though your points of view or methodologies may be dissimilar, ultimately you all want basically the same thing, and ignoring the relatively minor differences in the interest of a united front is a valuable ally right now.

From my perch here in the great white north - where I can sometimes actually see the forest - it seems there is definitely a groundswell emerging; like a combination of anger, hope, and resolve to do the right thing. That, combined with the gift of the chushrovian idiots in the administration stumbling over themselves at every turn, is going to be their undoing . . . eventually. If you keep up the pressure, give no quarter, and challenge everything they do, you will win - of that there is no doubt.

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How would Carl Rove get us out of Iraq, if he wanted us to.
Posted by: Gaubladt on Mar 30, 2007 12:19 PM   
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He would most likely advertize the fact that the money going to the insurgents in Iraq is coming from the biggest oil exporting countries in that area. Then he would use that fact to start a campaign to stop the import of all oil coming from OPEC, or to stop the import of all oil.
It is an issue that both the left wing and right wing could get behind. Anyone who got in his way would be accused of putting money and the status quo ahead of the lives of our service-men and women.
A total oil embargo would send the pro-war industrial/business complex into a tailspin: Then we would be out of iraq in a few weeks.

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The reality?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 30, 2007 12:26 PM   
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The first reality is that a good chunk of the 'wild-eyed lefties' are actually agent provocateurs working for everyone from the local police to the federal government to private security firms to Republican political organizations. Read your history of Nixon's Dirty Tricks committees (CREEP - world's best acronym, after OIL - Operation Iraqi Liberation). It's the height of naivete to pretend that such activity isn't rapant and widespread. Someone starts throwing rocks at the police during a peaceful protest - it could be a 'wild-eyed leftie' but it is just as likely to be an undercover cop trying to give the uniformed police an excuse to move in and arrest people.

The second reality is that a good chunk of the 'rational Democratic leadership' is actually controlled by the corporate-finacial power system: agribusiness, weapons manufacturers, oil and coal corporations, pharmaceuticals, and the centralized financial banks, hedge funds, equity groups, mutual funds, etc. that are the primary shareholders in all these industries. This is why the Democrats were unable to roll back the ~$6billion/year in subsidies given to Big Oil, or the $30 billion/year in subsidies given to Big Agribusiness, and so on. The fact is, they know that if they don't give at least token support to the corporate complex, they'll be attacked in the corporate press - right on the front pages of the New York Times (which has a Carlye Group director on their corporate board, right?)

So, the truth is that both sides are right, and both sides are wrong, and they should start asking themselves, who can I trust to work with me on these issues? The calm, rational and detailed aproach is best - and the only Presidential candidate I've heard who discusses issues without pandering to various corporate interests is Dennis Kucinich... which is why he's completely ignored by the corporate media.

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A frightening thought
Posted by: HeroesAll on Mar 30, 2007 2:56 PM   
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For a moment, when I read the headline, I thought you meant that both sides of the aisle were right. That is, the Dems are right, and the Bush junta is also right. I nearly had a conniption fit.

If I were more awake, I'd make a joke about right and right (right-wrong vs right-left) but alas that's not the case right now.

Right now. Eheheh. Sorry. Anyway, another nice, nuanced article, Joshua.

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