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"Liberal Idiots"... how to oppose the war

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 7:54 AM on March 16, 2007.


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Vietnam Vet Scott Lilly's latest column piggy-backs on the David Obey/"Marine Mom" Youtube phenomenon unfolding over the past couple of weeks, arguing, essentially, that protesters need to educate themselves.

Briefly, Obey (D-WI) was confronted by an antiwar protester on video about his efforts to address the war. It didn't go too well. In trying to explain to Ms. Richards why he didn't believe that cutting off funding was the best (or possible) way to end the war, Obey called her a "liberal idiot" -- ostensibly in response to her apparent misunderstanding of the current possibilities or ramifications to differing approaches.

Lilly does a good job with the tough love, telling those who oppose the war to get savvy and educated about the sausage factory of American Politics before just hopping right in and confronting individual lawmakers -- especially when they're not constituents:

At a very minimum, I would urge my fellow Ozarker, Tina Richards, to refocus her efforts in at least one respect. Your representative in Congress is not Dave Obey; it is Jo Ann Emerson, who is also a member of the Appropriations Committee. Unlike Obey, however, she does not (at least openly) agree with you on the President’s Iraq policy.

Where he loses me, however, is in the way he talks about protesters during the Vietnam War; and this, from one who's anything but high on the art of protest.

Defending Obey's "Liberal Idiots" remark, Lilly writes that, in addition to his anger at lawmakers for not stopping the war:

I was almost as frustrated by the mindless antics of many opposing the war who did little more than harden the resolve of the war's supporters and dissuade those who might otherwise have become war opponents. They provided a perfect foil for Richard Nixon, who had run out of explanations to justify the continuation of the conflict. Nixon turned the debate over the "war" into a debate over the "war movement," a bait-and-switch that helped him rally support even among people who had growing reservations about what they witnessed each night on television.

He has me with the frustration at the fundamentally selfish aspects of some protesters, more interested in self-expression than policy change (YES YES!) but then this...

To this day, I think those who insisted on injecting arguments about drugs, sex, personal hygiene, and respect for law into the debate over Viet Nam prolonged the war (perhaps by years) and, as a consequence, contributed to the deaths of hundreds and possibly thousands of my fellow soldiers.

YE.... er. What?

I "get" what Lilly is after, and I take note of the mitigating terms "I think" and "as a consequence," but I think this is a colossally unfair connection to draw. It's like blaming the headache on the ineffective aspirin.

The war began and continued because of cynical, fatuous politicians and the uninformed passive elements of our citizenry.

To take the deeply imperfect efforts (Key Word: efforts) of those who got up off their duffs to stop the war and then to connect the deaths to their failures is wrong-headed and terribly counterproductive.

Another issue is laying the blame solely at the feet of Americans to "get educated." If one part of a lawmaker's job is to convince colleagues that legislation is worth supporting, how is it not also the lawmaker's duty to rally public support as a crucial part of any campaign? Why isn't Obey reaching out to the well-organized antiwar movement to urge their support on certain legislative strategies?

I fear that the valuable parts of the piece -- that effective protest must combine passion with a working knowledge of the process -- will be lost on the very people who need to hear it due to what we'll call, gritting our teeth, very very poor communication.

Discuss.

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Tagged as: vietnam, antiwar, protest, iraq

Evan Derkacz is an AlterNet editor. He writes and edits PEEK, the blog of blogs.


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Pressure and effectiveness
Posted by: oregoncharles on Mar 16, 2007 8:40 AM   
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Obey's breakdown is a good sign: the Dems are feeling the heat. Fire up the blowtorches!

Evan also picked up on the most frustrating part of Obey's temper-tantrum: he didn't direct Richards to the pro-war Democrats in Congress, including her own Representative!

I gather that Obey's record indicates we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he needs help here - but he isn't asking for it; instead, he's sponsoring a funding supplemental! Whatever else it does, it perpetuates the war.

If he doesn't ask for help pressuring other Representatives, we have to wonder whether he wants it. After all, "you're talking to the wrong guy" might have gotten those activists out of his face quickly. Why didn't he do that? Why hasn't he done that since? Do we sense a hidden agenda?

The Democrats' whole record, clear back to the Vietnam War (I remember that one) shows that we won't get anything we don't demand and threaten for; there is no reason to let up on the pressure, no matter how good-at-heart we think the individual is. & if Obey got his ass kicked over this, it's because he deserved it.

Hidden agenda: I am now convinced that the Democrats, as a group, want to keep Bush in power and the war going because they are destroying the Republican party. Pretty ruthless, considering the lives lost. In fact, inexcusable. And likely to come back to bite them: without the Republican bogeyman, they will have a much harder time keeping out alternative parties.

Indeed, we see a proliferation of new political initiatives. Even Sen. Hagel is talking about running as an Independent (go for it, Chuck). & that's just the Presidency. We are most likely to see a contest of unelectables - say, Clinton versus Giuliani. And at least 3 other options, maybe more. There won't be any "spoilers" - in that scenario, NO ONE can win. I'm hoping for a thorough demonstration of how disfunctional our electory system really is.

Back to stopping the war, which won't happen from an election: obviously, Obey isn't going to. He wants it to drag on to just before the next election, then precipitate a constitutional crisis. The sooner the better, on that one. The peace movement's only option is to keep the heat on the Democrats so they do a little better than that. They should at least be making the pro-war Congresspeople VOTE that way, so they can take the full opprobrium. Remember, they're already running for re-election, and the war isn't going to win them anything.

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» RE: It seems you're still confused... Posted by: CriminallySane
» RE: I'll make it simple for you... Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Political reality Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: what about the libertarians? Posted by: rockstrigoi
» RE: Pressure and effectiveness Posted by: leafsong1
Another point, how can a citizen educate himself when all the information...
Posted by: Prophit on Mar 16, 2007 8:44 AM   
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.... is withheld, not only by government, but by the press as well. I know what I go through to find information that no one else has and its an arduous process and then you don't know if its the truth, so you have to 2nd source it.

I have spent years as a legislative analyst to be able to do what I do without the normal educational tools that used to be available. I can't imagine how difficult it is for those who are not so knowledgeable about HOW to find the information. All they know is people are dying and we are not threatened, so why are we there?

That is enough..... we are in total violation of the nuremberg articles. That is enough. Even after I have done the research I am rediculed as being a conspiracy nut. I stick it out because in the end I am proven right, but still its an awesome task.

I agree that the legislatures have this as their job and they have the staff, power, and time to obtain the truth and the information. It scares me when I know more than the congressman does. What in the world are they doing there all day long???? They are responsible not us, to have the facts.

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Don't be intimidated by "you don't understand the process..."
Posted by: SteveB on Mar 16, 2007 9:00 AM   
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Excellent comments above. It should be noted that Obey's own constituents have not met with any better success in persuading him, and have even been arrested at his Wausau and Superir offices.

One statement that Obey makes in the video that I absolutely agree with is that people like Ms. Richards "don't undertand how it works." By "it", Obey means the Congress, and count me in with the other "liberal idiots" who "don't understand."

In the video, Obey says that he "hates the war" and then says that he's going to vote for more than $100 billion for more war. To recap: 1) hates the war, 2) wants more money for more war. Maybe that makes sense inside the Washington D.C. bubble, but back here in Wisconsin, it just looks crazy. If Obey's actions make sense to you, you've probably spent too much time in D.C. - and Obey definitely has.

So Obey's right - we "don't understand". And I, for one, don't want to understand. In fact, I refuse to "understand".

Don't let these folks intimidate you. Hold on to your moral sense and your common sense: if you "hate" the war, then stop paying for it!

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» We don't disagree...much Posted by: SteveB
The Senate defeated the proposal to set a date certain for Iraqi pullout.
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 16, 2007 9:05 AM   
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It wasn't even close. McCain didn't even have to show up.

AlterNet has been full of comments that the Demos were either dupes or war mongers because they did not get a vote against the war. Happy now?

If you want legislative resistance in the senate, then get out there and elect the 10 more anti-war senators it will take to get a veto proof resolution. Anything else is just mumbling.

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» Unnecessary distinctions... Posted by: SteveB
» RE: Unnecessary distinctions... Posted by: CriminallySane
Inside-Out
Posted by: Russ Wellen on Mar 16, 2007 10:59 AM   
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Evan, I didn't see any other comments address this. But, unless I'm missing the obvious, I think you got his inside-out.

"To this day, I think those who insisted on injecting arguments about drugs, sex, personal hygiene, and respect for law into the debate over Viet Nam prolonged the war (perhaps by years) and, as a consequence, contributed to the deaths of hundreds and possibly thousands of my fellow soldiers."

"Those who insisted" were war supporters. By the act of insisting, it's they who were making opposition to VietNam synonymous with taking drugs and engaging in free love.

And it remains thus to this day. Progressives and liberals stand for something; the hard right doesn't stand for anything so much as oppose something. And for most, it stems from the hedonism of the sixties. (It got a refresher course in Monica-gate.)

Please correct me if I misinterpreted you, Evan.

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» RE: Inside-Out Posted by: Evan Derkacz
DIRTY HIPPIES? MAYBE....
Posted by: chanceny on Mar 16, 2007 11:32 AM   
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Perhaps it was made easy to dismiss the mangy 60's anti-war liberals because the Ozzie & Harriets that comprised the middle class couldn't relate to the message coming out of such a nasty-looking bunch. Elvis was clean cut enough to visit Nixon (he even got a 'stinkin badge'!) But there was no audience granted Abby Hoffman cause he was just too damned hairy! Today's anti- warriors are mostly middle aged moms and pops, Cindy Shehans and disillusioned vets, who are validated because they actually have 'skin in the game'. It is so much harder to ignore the eloquence of their heartfelt, simple message. But, that won't stop the banshee-bushites from flinging their irrational hate-based accusations. No matter, the righteous righties will always use their herd mentality talking-points of derision and hypocritical religious superiority to devalue the disloyal opposition. So, it really doesn't matter if anti-war marchers practice good grooming, endorse alternate lifestyles or any other holdover from the peaceniks of yore that seem to have offended you. The message didn't get across then, not because of the messengers, but because of a population completely sold on the non-existing American dream they thought they were living. They seem to know better now.

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Business as usual
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Mar 17, 2007 1:20 AM   
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It is clear that officials don't do their jobs; instead, spending their (our) time pandering to the deepest pockets and securing not only their incumbancy, but juicy 'consulting' contracts when they're finally out (and that's when they REALLY cash in).

Characters like Obey tend to get in the way of those better suited to thoughtful and efficient leadership in our internal (infernal?) war against those who 'represent' us. Still, at least Obey's clumsy efforts have opened up some fundamental flaws to further discussion, at all camps.

Steven Wanzell
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