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Hedges bets on Nader?

Posted by Jan Frel at 11:19 AM on February 27, 2007.


Jan Frel: Chris Hedges thinks that because Hillary is a disaster, Ralph Nader is the answer. Dream on.

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"But when Nader hinted in San Francisco that he might run if Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party nominee, I knew I would be working for his campaign if he indeed entered the race." -- Chris Hedges.

Ralph Nader isn't the answer. Ralph Nader is a relic from the last political era in Washington where meaningful regulatory reform was possible -- Nixon+Gerald Ford. Those days are long gone. You can't have DC-based corporate reform anymore. Forget it.

If you were curious about the discrepancy between 80% of Americans hating corporations and Ralph Nader's >1%-2.7% showing in presidential races, you might conclude that there was something that most Americans didn't like about the way Nader said he was going to solve the problem, which was more or less that he would pull on the levers in Washington and regulate our way out of the corporate state. You'd expect Nader to at least consider it, but I don't think he has.

What Nader doesn't get is that while corporate power is high on our hate lists, so is the idea that anything good is going to come out of Washington.

It's important to remember, and I'm sure most readers do, that Nader wasn't always a presidential candidate -- he was a public advocate who rode a wave of citizen write-in letters into Washington in the '70s and was responsible for the creation of regulatory bodies like the EPA, the establishment of stringent auto-manufacturing safety rules, and the like. It was a very impressive career, if centralized government made safe by regulation is your kind of thing. But Nader found himself eventually squeaked out of the process. I've written a bit on Nader's political approach before,

Ever wonder why, after a Babe Ruth-like career as an advocate, Nader decided to run for political office? Because DC stopped working the way he understood it to. Increasingly his lobbying, his ideas, his staff weren't relevant. Not only was he quoted less and invited to fewer hearings, but his quotes mattered less and the same went for hearing testimony -- even as the call-ins and write-ins kept piling in. Fast forward the years of irrelevance, and we come to his great act of desperation: running for the presidency. Unfortunately his political vocabulary and mind were too entrenched in tinkering reform language. And so were his followers.

And so Nader didn't see the bigger problem -- that our political system is totally obsolete and unaccountable: hundreds of years obsolete, unaccountable for decades.

Let's take Nader and his political solutions to the present era. His grand acheivement, the EPA, has been turned right around on its head. Bush and the business state have come right in, pillaged and looted the thing to work in their favor. So it's a "captive" agency, captive to the entities it's supposed to regulate. And since the EPA has federal control of environmental regulation, at the expense of state and local governments, it's a tool that corporations are using to prevent local efforts from happening.

If I had helped spawn a regulatory disaster like this I'd do at least three things:

1. Fess up to everyone who would listen that environmental regulation or any regulation through centralized government is a dangerous thing because it leaves it open to takeover by hostile interests -- you only need one takeover.

2. Fess up that further attempts to save society using the techniques I had used to create the EPA were perhaps the wrong way to go.

3. Fess up that there's something odd about the enormous discrepancy between the public appetite for corporate reform and the public appetite for my sales pitch to deal with it.

Then I might stand up and say to my band of followers, "Hey, let's not do it like this. My political imagination is sharply limited by my experience from decades ago. I don't know what we should do, but let's certainly not approach politics like I have because it obviously does not work. ..."

What's worse, a national politician like Hillary who barely feels the need to conceal her disaster politics, or a marginal one with disaster politics who stands up and speaks to the disaffected, telling them they know the way out? It's the marginal one, because they've got nothing to lose and they know they are losers.

So Chris, I'm writing this to you, but also to anyone else who is looking for a way to deal with their political discontent: just because there is a massive crisis in national affairs, that the Democratic presidential candidates aren't saying the right things, and the only apparent standing presidential alternative at this point is Ralph Nader, it doesn't mean that you have to place your hopes in him, or the presidential campaign itself as a road to redemption.

For starts, consider as an instant disqualification that Ralph Nader has no critique of the presidency itself. Nader will stand up and tell you that it would make democratic sense for him to sit in the Oval Office and work on behalf of 300 million citizens. I think it's an outdated and very dangerous 18th century platform, virtually unmodified from the day of its inception.

Imagine an 18th century dentist telling you with a straight face he'd take care of your root canal, proudly brandishing his crude pliers as the answer. You'd laugh out loud, or run screaming. I recommend you extend that sensibility to anyone who comes up and tells you they'll solve all your problems from the White House.

Part of the instinct to believe in the presidency is that it's easier to think about one candidate instead of our enormous political crisis, nevermind that this one candidate will have to deal with it alone if you give them that power. Another part is that it's our political culture to believe that the presidential campaign vehicle is an appropriate place to deposit our political energy.

It's a very strong pull.

I myself was drawn to go work on Howard Dean's campaign in Vermont for these two reasons. Nader himself made a pilgrimage to Dean's HQ in Vermont in 2003, begging for the vice presidential slot when Dean was flying high.

But I can tell you with the authority of personal experience that the road to the White House paved with pure bullshit.

From my perspective, the only viable presidential candidates at this point are ones who have a critique of the powers they would inherit at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., and of our virtually unmodified 18th century government as a whole. They would need to fess up to the impossibility of governing the federal instrument with 435 House reps and 100 senators for 300 million, 9 Supreme Court justices for 300 million, one president for 300 million.

They would feel embarrassed and disgusted to see people talk about them so slavishly, they would reject the idea of being a vessel for macro issues like global warming, Iraq, or corporate power, and they would most certainly tell their supporters that they should spend their political energy on building a democratic movement.

And they should certainly use their own past political experience as an example of why our federal instrument is failing. In the case of someone like John Edwards, it's not just that he made a mistake in voting for the war, it's that the federal government was hijacked by a few thousand people from 300 million; that if the Republic were functioning, we would have never gone to war, that creeps like him should never have had that power. In the case of Nader, it's that the regulating bodies he helped build a few decades ago have been hijacked and are working against what they were intended to protect.

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Jan Frel is AlterNet's senior editor.


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Hope springs eternal, it seems...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Feb 27, 2007 11:07 AM   
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... for Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Nader, etc, etc.. ad nauseum.

Losers, weiners, tools, shills, and self-aggrandizers all... but Democraps keep waiting for these toads to turn into strong, dynamic princes.

I guess when you are too frightened to even offer more than timid token resistance to the opposition and even more frightened of actually breaking with the same old systems that got us where we are today (in every sense), you have to cling to something... and even the most disgusting toad starts to look good.

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Presidency Obsolete?
Posted by: hbw on Feb 27, 2007 11:50 AM   
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So Jan, you think the current system is fucked? You're right. Ralph Nader would agree. Would you amend the Constitution to get rid of the Executive Branch? or maybe turn it into a Politburo-style Executive Council? Good luck.

Those of us who put our faith in Ralph in 2000 looked past his unwillingness to join the Green Party, past the fact that he had little or no chance to win (he got nearly 3% of the popular vote in 2000, by the way, not just 1%). We agreed with Ralph's reasons for running: It was never an ego trip, but a concerted effort to bring back some people power (IMHO). It was a team effort, with Coach Nader working his team's collective butt off.

In 2004, the ego trip came about only because Nader had been spurned. The Greens narrowly voted to run David Cobb rather than run nobody and endorse Nader, partly because of Nader's petulance after various parties & candidates had spurned him. The Greens had voted in 2002 not to nominate any candidate for President or Vice President who was not a Green Party member; Nader having sworn a filial oath not to join any party, was thus disqualified. Nader and his stand-in Peter Camejo felt understandably betrayed.

Hypothetically, would a Nader Presidency have made any difference? Hard to say. Having trash-talked both major parties mercilessly during the campaign, Nader certainly wouldn't have many friends in Congress. That would have resulted in a Congressional ascendancy and the weakening of the Presidency. Even with a Republican-controlled Congress, that would have been preferable to what we have now.

Change the Constitution this way: Get rid of the Electoral College, elect the Executive by popular vote, and add Instant Runoff Voting to give voters more and better choices. Also, put it in the Constitution that monetary contributions do not constitute free speech, and that corporations are not persons with XIVth Amendment rights. The Green Party supports all of these positions.

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» RE: Presidency Obsolete? Posted by: Doubtom
» Thank you, hbw and Doubtbottom Posted by: HeidiLockwood
This confuses me...
Posted by: drone on Feb 27, 2007 12:07 PM   
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Jan, if I read you correctly, you've pretty much scotched the idea of supporting any presidential candidate on the basis that the *system* doesn't work and is a failure. That strikes me as a classic call to rebellion. Or are you suggesting that what you're looking for now is a candidate to reform the system through electoral politics and from an insider position? The latter would be odd, given that you just excoriated Nader for having the same ambition. After all, agencies aren't the only offices that can be captured, correct?

Or are you simply arguing for another approach to reform that Nader as a candidate simply cannot deliver? If so, that doesn't come through clearly in this piece.

I think your note to Mr. Hedges would probably leaving him sratching his head. I know it left me in that condition.

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» RE: This confuses me... Posted by: Jan Frel
» RE: This confuses me... Posted by: Doubtom
Nader? Answer to exactly WHAT?
Posted by: chanceny on Feb 27, 2007 1:06 PM   
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Nader's been around the block a few times, no? He got the intended message regarding his electibility loud and clear. Instead of focusing his energies toward building a viable third party, he whined, complained and helped eviscerate the respect that was due Al Gore and, four years after, John Kerry. Who did he imagine would benefit by his fiery insulting criticisms? Certainly just the loon in the White House and his posse of treasonous, bigoted greedy fear mongers that have proven their mettle and furthered their corrupt agenda by mocking the infighting of progressive voices as presented to them so carlessly by Sir Ralph in his most sarcastic, holier-than-thou manner. Certainly not the progressive causes he proclaims to be about. His passion seems to be inflamed by the sound of his own rusty pipes. Let him sing in the shower and contemplate on how to make bathing safer for our bodies in our bathtubs.

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» RE: Nader? Answer to exactly WHAT? Posted by: oregoncharles
I'm beginning to think the sword may be the answer
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 27, 2007 3:24 PM   
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I now have a clearer understanding of why the first shogun in Japan did what he did to unify Japan's insanity that was their feudal system.

I wonder how a noble version of that would look here, adjusted for 'Merkaan cult-ure of course. Maybe we have to cut off a few heads... or at least demand seppuku from a few at the top.

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Nader Would Do Better Running For Something Other Than Pres.
Posted by: activecitizen2007 on Feb 27, 2007 5:42 PM   
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Seriously dudes! Nader needs to pick a different kind of electoral fight if he hopes to win any kind of election. I could see him easily winning a U.S. Senate seat or a Governorship if he chose to do so. He could do a lot of good if he would simply throw his hat into a U.S Senate race or something like that. He's never going to draw more than 5% of the popular vote while running for President on his two-bit independent tickets.

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Run Against Lieberman?
Posted by: lessbread on Feb 27, 2007 8:13 PM   
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Seems kind of late for that, but no doubt he'd be better than Lieberman.

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OK, Now What Can We Do?
Posted by: wcscheurer on Feb 28, 2007 6:56 AM   
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Jan,

Your "Hedges bets on Nader?" piece today hits the bull's-eye big time.

It is clear that the outmoded institution of "the presidency" is the problem, and no one candidate is the solution.

However, this still begs the question. The institution is what it is -- the single greatest potential force for harm in the world.

So, given that landscape, how can you respond to presidential politics today? We cannot simply ignore these people. They are too dangerous.

Yours,

"'Clueless' in Chicago"

Bill Scheurer

www.PeaceMajority.us
www.Honk4Peace.us
www.VotersForPeace.us

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» RE: OK, Now What Can We Do? Posted by: Jan Frel
» RE: OK, Now What Can We Do? Posted by: wcscheurer
» RE: OK, Now What Can We Do? Posted by: Davidco
mdruss42@yahoo.com
Posted by: mdruss42 on Feb 28, 2007 9:48 AM   
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Do any of you remember RN´s core message to the American people, that if you participate in government you can effect change?

Is that no longer true?

Are we the people the government, or have we accepted that THEY can do whatever THEY want to and we are powerless?

Could it be you think RN´s ideas are outmoded because you have accepted what you have been sold over a long period....that you are powerless before the bought and paid for government the powerful THEY has put in place, and the awsome power of this THEY to affect the daily lives of everyone on the globe?

IF YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE NO POWER TO CHANGE THINGS WITHOUT VIOLENT UPRISINGS, THROWING OUT EVERYTHING AND STARTING OVER, BEST LOOK AT SUCH MOVEMENTS HISTORICALLY, AND THE TYPE PERSON NEEDED TO CARRY OUT SUCH A MOVEMENT.

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Foolishness abounds
Posted by: heecheeboy on Feb 28, 2007 11:37 AM   
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In order to hold that Nader's running for president indicates his obsolesence one has to believe that Nader actually believes that he would ever win the presidency. Idiocy and naivette and foolishness and a waste of intellectual effort.

The one thing that Nader and other "fringe" candidates bring to the disgusting mass media popularity contest, the freakish alieanating and absurdist circus called "presidential elections" is a voice that discusses, openly and loudly, real issues. It matters not one wit whether he is ever elected (he knows, as everyone here does, that this will never occur). What matters is the much needed effort that he and others bring to the table to raise the public discourse above the hallow sound bites and empty sloganeering of the "front runners" who've been brought to us by the corporate pay masters.

Here's Hedge's take on Nader.

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link
Posted by: heecheeboy on Feb 28, 2007 11:39 AM   
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» RE: link Posted by: Basenjis
Nader Folks Already On Move
Posted by: placid on Feb 28, 2007 4:05 PM   
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Heaven help us if we are not allowed to express differing opinions.I am however tired of Ralph Nader. Face it the Republican party contributes to his campaign to grab votes from a Presidential contender so far the Democrats. It has already begun in Portland,OR.I received an invitation to attend a film regarding Ralph's life. I told the caller I was very angry with Nader and his wasted campaigns.While I respected his consumer advocate work beyond that I did not see him as a President. Again we have freedom of speech left (sort of) all this country needs is votes for Ralph and assure ,perhaps,another Republican president. And how ethical is GOP money financing Ralph.At this point at his age, I can only feel an ego trip. Thanks Ralph! You're a gem. Mary Basombrio

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» Nader an ego tripper? Posted by: HeidiLockwood