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Intolerance of gays divides Episcopal Church

Posted by Prema Polit at 5:14 PM on February 21, 2007.


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On the eve of Lent, leaders of the Anglican Church issued a stern edict to the Episcopal branch of the church: stop blessing same-sex unions and ordaining homosexual bishops or face the consequences. Now the Episcopal Church must decide whether the unity of the Anglican Communion or the rights of gays and lesbians is more important.

To me this would be a no-brainer, but I'm not an Episcopalian. I do empathize with the need to preserve the family ties, so to speak -- to do something that you don't want to do because in order to maintain some sort of artificial peace, you must. It's a bit like staying silent over a holiday dinner when your bigoted uncle says something incredibly sexist because your mother is giving you the look that says, "I want to punch him, too, but for the sake of our sanity, please ..."

But this isn't an offhand remark by the Anglican Communion about the evils of homosexuality. The Anglican Church's communiqué ranks at about the point in the holiday dinner when you've ignored your mother's warning glance, challenged your uncle's views, and, unless you admit that you are wrong and promise to amend your ways, he is about to kick you and your immediate family out of his house. Oh, and disinherit you and never speak to you again, naturally.

When is standing up for what you believe in worth the price? Episcopalians must ask themselves this question and think hard and deeply about it. Although, according to the communiqué, the decision is up to the Episcopal Church's House of Bishops, the way that the Episcopal Church works gives more say to the smaller segments of the Church. So this becomes a much more individual process and choice.

Whatever decision the House of Bishops submits to the Anglican Communion will likely result in further fractures within the Episcopal Church, because they are by no means unified in their beliefs on homosexuality. Congregations in the U.S. have already tried splitting off because of disagreement. Church members are facing the conflict and having to make their own choices.

This struggle probably won't have a happy ending, whatever the Episcopal Church decides. But if the church truly supports gay rights, then they will pay the price.

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Prema Polit is an editorial intern at AlterNet.


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Posted by: adso on Feb 21, 2007 6:18 PM   
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You nailed it...looks like the Episcopalians get to indulge in that most time-honored of "Protestant" traditions. When your "Mother Church" has had enough of you, or you have had enough of your "Mother-Church", the time-honored tradition is to break away and form a new denomination, or variant of same.

The present Episcopalian denomination is a product of that very same process, although it appears that some of the more conservative Anglican bretheren may be heading in the opposite direction.

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some Anglican Churches in Talks with the Roman Catholic
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Feb 21, 2007 6:59 PM   
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Church because of the Church of England (Anglican) gay policy. Wouldn't it be the most ironic thing is religious history if the split between the churches 100's of years ago over marriage (albeit royal and straight) would be solved due to marriage (over gays and clergy)!! Classic.
Frankly, I never quite understood the idea of joining an organisation if you don't believe in the ideals but who am I to say. I would think that the gays should start their own church. You don't see many (there are a few weird cases but probably due to mental issues) of blacks joining or helping the klan or Aryan Nations.

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The parallels with Abolition are almost exact.
Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 21, 2007 9:28 PM   
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Here in the US, new divisions in the Protestant churches emerge whenever someone questions the previously unquestioned. Yes, it's been a lot easier for gay people to "pass" for straight than it was for slaves to obtain freedom. But the historic lie of homophobia is no less real than the justification for slavery.

If the Anglican community believes that more people will attend church if gay people agree to remain hidden--out of sight, out of mind--I'd suggest they take a look at church attendance during the Civil Rights Struggle. Yes, congregations bickered, but it was a period of great vitality.

At that time, also, there were religious leaders who did not want racism to be noticed. There still are such. But as we learned, "You can't fool all of the people all of the time."

As is true of all intolerance of differences, homophobia is more likely a symptom of insecure and immature personal sexuality than lofty morality. Freud has now been around too long to pretend otherwise.

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Let's sacrifice the church for our prejudices
Posted by: rileycase on Feb 22, 2007 6:14 AM   
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There has been a principle that has been part of our Judeo-Christian heritage from the beginning of time (and characterizes almost all other religions as well). It is that in sexual relationships there should be faithfulness in marriage and celebacy in singleness. That is the teaching of all the churches (until recently when a few are opting out) in all places in all times. Now we have a group who based on personal preferences want to declare the rest of the world wrong. The Episcopal Church is wrong for teaching celebary in singleness and faithfulness in marriage, the Roman Catholic Church is wrong, all churches are wrong (except perhaps Metropolitan Community Church and the United Church of Christ which has lost 40% of its members in 20 years). So this article offers a choice: believe in the unity of the church or be pro gay, with the clear assumption that everything not pro-gay is homophobic (a very bad word). Africans are homophobic; Christians of all nations are homophobic; people of the nineteenth century were homophobic; the Bible is homophobic. I and my little group are enlightened and we are right.

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South Dakota Liberal
Posted by: South Dakota Liberal on Feb 22, 2007 6:21 AM   
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Why not just leave the Episcopal Church for a more tolerant denomination such as the United Church of Christ or the Unitarian Universalist Association. Or better yet, simply abandon organized religion altogether for a freethinking spiritual life. The latter may be one of the most beautiful and liberating experiences of your life.

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WHAT IF?
Posted by: Naoma on Feb 22, 2007 6:33 AM   
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Well, since no one knows FOR SURE what happens when they get to HEAVEN, maybe God will turn out to be a gay woman -- where are all these hateful people then?

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What Have They Got to Lose?
Posted by: Russ Wellen on Feb 22, 2007 6:48 AM   
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The mainline Protestant churches are losing worshippers. Why? Because most people don't go to church to worship anymore. They go to hear their values validated and those who don't share them scorned.

That's why the 'gelicals are growing. They offer that "value-added."

If Episcopals want to attract new worshippers, they would be wise to adopt a progressive agenda, including sticking to their guns about gay unions. It's the only option they have in "adding value" because they're too ethical to do otherwise.

Standing up to the Anglican Church on this issue would send a message to educated young couples shopping around for a Christian church for their new families. They're repelled by the evangelicals and bored by traditional churches. Standing up for gay unions on the part of the Episcopals would provide prospective worshippers with a "politically correct" option.

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apostasy
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Feb 22, 2007 7:01 AM   
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The greatest problem with the Epicopals is that the Church has left the admonitions of scripture behind. It is VERY CLEAR in Scripture that homosexuality is not acceptable to G/D. It is referred to as an abomination in the sight of G/D in no less than 4 places in both old and new testament. Of course the Episcopal Church has been taken over by modern liberalism which has decided that they know better than the Creator of the Universe what is right and what is wrong. This updating to a more different version of what Christians should believe is a deception and should be avoided. Real Christians will follow the precepts of the Bible and flee from the apostasy of the corrupted church. You either believe in the Word of G/D or you should just forgo calling yourself a Christian. I hope that those Scripture based Episcopals will leave the mainstream church and it's corruption and form a more conservative union of believing Christians.

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bomec
Posted by: bomec on Feb 22, 2007 7:46 AM   
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As a life-long Episcopalian and as a gay man, my take on this whole non-issue is that it is generational, and that it will solve itself as the conservative old farts simply die off. Young poeple don't care if God made you gay or straight. It will solve itself for the same reason that "don't ask don't tell" will solve itslef in the military. And how "Christian" is it to demonize and demote a whole segment of humanity to second class status within the "Body of Christ"?
HOWEVER, what really pisses me off is the block-headed stupidity of even so-called educated people who cannot distinguise between the adjective "episcopal" and the noun "Episcopalian!!!!! Repeat after me: I am an Episcopalian, and I belong to the Episcopal Church. Got it?

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Oh, The Irony!
Posted by: thirdmg on Feb 22, 2007 9:03 AM   
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On Feb. 18, the Anglican primates sailed to Zanzibar for a service at the Cathedral Church of Christ. The cathedral was built in 1873 on a site where slave traders loaded slaves into the holds of ships for transport to auction markets in the Western Hemisphere.

Conservative Anglicans, such as Archbishop Akinola of Nigeria, didn't seem to notice the irony of appealing to tradition and selected biblical passages to support their anti-gay prejudices.

Christians of an earlier age who defended the institution of slavery also pointed to tradition and the Bible as a major defense. Not only does the Bible clearly support slavery, it contains not a single word against it, not even from Jesus who lived in a time when slavery was pervasive.

Abolitionists had a difficult time countering the arguments, but they eventually won out against the centuries-old, well-established tradition of slavery by appealing to a higher morality rooted in alternate biblical teachings on justice and inclusion - just as gays and their friends are doing now in defense of gay-inclusive policies.

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» RE: Oh, The Irony! Posted by: albrechtkrausse
Some Historical, Political And Financial Underpinnings
Posted by: thirdmg on Feb 22, 2007 9:37 AM   
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Most articles about today's controversies in the Anglican Church are narrowly focused and don't provide much background on the roots of the social issues and how conservatives have exploited them.

Here's an AlterNet article from February 28, 2005, which covers some of the wider background:

For the Soul of the Church.

"The Episcopal Church is a small but significant Protestant denomination that has struggled mightily with sexuality, race and authority—and the reverberations have been felt across the world."

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I remember back in '02...
Posted by: MatthewSavage on Feb 22, 2007 1:40 PM   
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When the bishop of my diocese got into a lot of trouble for blessing same-sex unions. This was up in Canada, where we call ourselves Anglicans. It's not just Episcopaleans, and it's tearing my church apart worldwide, not just in the U.S.

I know where my parish priest stands, and where the bishop stands (firmly on the side of gay rights). Most of the congregation feels the same way, I think. In fact I'm pretty sure that within the diocese it's at least half who support the bishop on these issues.

Anglicans (and Episcopaleans) are a pretty diverse bunch theologically; not as open as the Unitarians, but a long ways more open than people seem to realize.

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GA
Posted by: leatha on Feb 22, 2007 3:32 PM   
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I think we all are forgetting what is as stake here, Heaven and Hell an the people who go there are determined by God and by His word whether we like it or not. The Bible teaches that we are to love everyone regardless of their perferences and differences in life. But you cannot try to include people who are in rebellion against God with people who have made peace with God through the Lord Jesus Christ. It just won't work. We do not want anyone to falsely assume that God is pleased with the way we live if it is not in accordance to His word and it will be alright with Him. This is the deceit and the craftiness of the devil (Satan) which is the deceiver. Please go to the Bible (the word of God) and see what God has to say about any and everything as this is what counts and only this. All other opinions are just that, opinions and we do not have a heaven or hell to put any one in, but please do not be deceived. God is a holy God and he has given us consciences which let us know when things are right/wrong/good/bad. Get to God's word.

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John Mason
Posted by: jom57 on Feb 22, 2007 7:58 PM   
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I am angry at the Anglican Communion threatening to excommunicate the US Episcopal Church for allowing Gays and Lesbians to serve in its clergy. Would they prefer they keep their homosexuality hidden, like with SOME Catholic priests? They say this might bring about a crisis in Christianity, but the crisis has always been there-the refusal of organized Christianity to deal with homosexuality and sexuality in general. Perhaps Christianity needs another shaking-up, like with Martin Luther and the Reformation.

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The happy atheist...
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Feb 22, 2007 9:06 PM   
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can only chuckle at these nut-job religionists! It's such great fun to watch them fight endlessly over who is 'right'. LOL.

Steven Wanzell
wanzellarts.com.ar

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» Ignorance Is Bliss, Right? Posted by: grumble-bum
Beware of Dogma
Posted by: South Dakota Liberal on Feb 23, 2007 12:22 PM   
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The heart of the problem is dogma. Excessive reliance on scripture and tradition always causes trouble. The Bible, like all scripture, was written by humans and is culturally and historically conditioned. It may be a source of comfort and inspiration for some people, but as basis for decision-making in the 21st century, it’s obsolete.

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Response to rhrandall
Posted by: rileycase on Feb 23, 2007 1:07 PM   
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I hope my religion is not defined "by opposition to human rights for homosexuals." I would never agree to that proposition. My religion is based on a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Part of my commitment is to a high view of marriage and as a part of that I am committed to celebacy in singleness and faithfulness in marriage. I do have concerns about society as a whole but the topic under discussion has to do with the Episcopal Church and whether the church should give up its commitment to Scripture, to tradition, and to the world-wide community of faith just because the supporters of a new sexual morality demand that it do so.

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Maybe This is the Solution...
Posted by: genericname on Feb 25, 2007 10:19 AM   
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I should say that, although I was baptized Episcopalian, I am not one now. (The only House of Bishops I've ever needed could always be found in my bathroom mirror.) Anyway, re seminarians and gays: Remember (I forget which country) that came under Nazi rule and Hitler ordered all Jews to wear a yellow Star of David? The king, queen, and every citizen--Jew, Gentile, Christian, athiest--wore a Star of David.

Since gay seminarians are dealing with the same type of mentality in the AngliKKKan Communion, maybe every incoming seminarian should say, "Yes I am gay (or lesbian)."
I always wondered why bishops wore white robes--I think I know why now.

Even the bishops who say they're open to debate seem to have the Archie Bunker mentality: "Don't call me a bigot! I'm the first one to say it ain't your fault you're colored."

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