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Are the deaths of our soldiers a waste of life?

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 12:31 PM on February 13, 2007.


Terry Welch: Don't buy Malkin's BS about Obama, of course it's a waste...
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This guest post was written by Terry Welch on the occasion of Barack Obama's comment that soldiers killed in Iraq have died in vain. Obama has since apologized, revealing once again that the Democrats still aren't getting it...

Michelle Malkin is, of course, livid that Barack Obama pointed out the obvious--that Bush's war is a waste of American lives--calling his statement "patronizing, infantilizing, and insulting" to the troops. She even quotes some service members who supported and died for the war and family members of other dead troops who believe the sacrifice was worth it. You can't argue with their opinion on this matter, because it is, after all, simply an opinion, no matter how hard it may have been to come by. Should one be interested in debating Malkin on the "uh-uh/uh-huh" playground level she's chosen, it would be simple to find an equal number of service members who feel the war is a waste and family members who believe that they gave a son, daughter, brother or sister for nothing.

A closer look, however, reveals that Malkin's childish fuming is just another version of Bush's spin point:

That only by "winning" the war in Iraq can we "honor" the service members already killed in his war.

When you consider this logical result of this construct, though, Bush and Malkin are saying that those soldiers deaths--and, by extension, their service and lives--only have meaning if the war is just and finished properly. As Malkin's anti-Catholic little buddy Allahpundit tried to spin it, those of us who oppose the war all think that soldiers lives are being wasted, but we "can't say that because it dishonors the dead so they're forced into rhetorical pretzels…"

I have tried to write this post several times, but it usually devolves into the sort of cursing rant which might make it easy for some to dismiss my point, but I want to be very clear here. Malkin and her followers--and, even more importantly, anyone who might think about taking them seriously--must be led to understand something important:

Nothing I can do or say can add or subtract one iota from the honor a service member has earned. Nothing Michelle Malkin, George W. Bush or the entire Fox News staff does or says can add or subtract one iota from the honor (or even dishonor, in rare cases) a service member has earned. The Iraq War does not provide the life of a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine with meaning. The Iraq War does not instill meaning in service. Those who have served know that, foolish war or just, honorable service is a meaning unto itself and has a value independent of context.
In other words, soldiers don't need your fucking war to give their lives or service meaning. Those in uniform who both support and oppose the war have earned their honor with their own two hands. Their lives have an inherent value that cannot be affected by right wing bloggers or even failed presidents.

Think of the money in your wallet right now. Despite the value it represents, it can be wasted. Or think in economic terms of the true opportunity cost of each soldier's life: The birthday parties of children; the creativity and drive that might have found flower in our culture; the soulmate lucky enough to end her days on this earth in the arms of a loved one. This is a high cost that, no matter the outcome of this war, cannot be won back. I have worn the uniforms of two services. My father and his brothers fought in Vietnam. My grandfather's ship lobbed some of the 165,000 shells which helped liberate Saipan. And, if my great aunt's research is correct, a relative of mine received his pay in the infirmary of George Washington's Valley Forge encampment. I am no pacifist. I understand that there are times when the value of what might be earned could outweigh the cost of a few thousand American lives--or, even, a few hundred thousand lives.

But the lives we have lost in Iraq were lost due to the fever dreams of ideologues, who ignored all historical precedent in both proposing and planning their war. Every rationale for war has proven either false or foolish and the results pyrrhic, at best. We are less respected, less revered and, yes, less feared than before we began it. Our own intelligence agencies think that the war is actually creating more terrorists with even less central command and, while you argue that "we weren't in Iraq on 9/11," it's clear to anyone with the eyes to see that, in the words of Don Rumsfeld, "the harder we work, the behinder we get." Even some of your most erudite of conservative intellectuals (a near oxymoron these days) and mindless, partisan hacks have admitted the war was a mistake, closing a gap of years between them and the American public.

It is not dishonoring the troops to point out--as I do now, flatly--that their lives are being wasted in Bush's ridiculous, pointless and, ultimately, futile adventure. It is simply the truth and does not reflect on their service, but rather on the fact that the loss of their lives has gained us less than nothing. We must leave Iraq. Most Americans and even most soldiers believe that.

Malkin and her supporters to proverbially patting soldiers on the head and saying, "Everything will be all right soon, don't worry, it's going to get better," isn't the same as supporting the troops. It's patronizing the troops. It's infantilizing the troops. It's insulting the troops. And, if there are Americans blinkered enough to look at this debacle of a war and still believe the ridiculousness of Malkin and her minions, thereby lending support to those who would send more soldiers into Iraq's grinding machinery, it might even be killing the troops.

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Some ways to say it.
Posted by: CriminallySane on Feb 13, 2007 2:29 PM   
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A few of the ways I tend to describe what is happening in Iraq and elsewhere under the "leadership" of George W. Bush:

Bush treating American kids like throwaways.

Americans sent to die for Bush's lies.

Posing it as a question, asking how many more American kids will die between now and January 2009 under Bush's "leadership".

Because Bush lied to start a war, over 3,000 American kids have died in Iraq for no good reason.

And maybe it's now time for:

Bush wants to start another war, this time with Iran, and kill even more American kids.

Whatever else anyone says, the fault is with the "leader" who gave the orders that started the war. The American kids that had their lives thrown away did what they were told. It was what they were told to do that was the problem.

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With all the lies..
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Feb 13, 2007 3:13 PM   
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With all the lies, half-truths, and misdirections that have come out so far... to even BEGIN to try to say our soldiers died for something meaningful is a cruel joke.

There were no weapons. We are not safer. The Iraqis are not free in any meaningful sense (they are pretty much unde rmartial law, declared or not). Bin Laden is still at large. Saddam was never a threat to the US. Bush has half-assed this all the way and looks to half-ass his Surgescalation.

I wonder.. how many of Malkin's friends are fighting in Iraq? Since she finds it SUCH a vital fight, did Malkin ever think about what SHE could do to help the war effort beyond being a propaganda hack?

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» RE: With all the lies.. Posted by: tgabriel
» Very well said Posted by: LeftWright
Malkin may hate the truth
Posted by: Kym525 on Feb 13, 2007 5:14 PM   
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and she does, but the sad fact is that our young men and women ARE dying in Iraq for no reason. Bush and his ilk have lied and continue to lie to the American people and our soldiers continue to die. This isn't a sacrifice--it's a massacre.

By the way, Malkin's just trying to step into Ann Coulter's shoes, but she's a second rate hack.

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» RE: Malkin may hate the truth Posted by: medstudgeek
Not a waste
Posted by: opeluboy on Feb 13, 2007 5:31 PM   
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to the war profiteers, the oil companies or Israel.

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War shouldn't be therapy
Posted by: Coll on Feb 13, 2007 8:47 PM   
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It really bothers me that one of the only compelling arguments left -- the ultimate retreat of Bush and company -- is "we don't want them to have died in vain." I mean, it's of course awful what's happened thus far (and will continue to happen), but are we really having a national conversation about maintaining this war simply to soothe grieving parents and children and siblings and spouses? I don't mean this to sound cold -- I can't imagine what families must be going through -- but I just can't see how their psychological needs can justifiably drive foreign policy, now that all those yellowcakeWMDkurdsdemocracywomenyounameit reasons turn out not to make sense anymore (or never to have made sense in the first place). And so is the logical outcome that as more families suffer, we must entrench ourselves further or, even worse, expand the conflict, because otherwise families won't have a clear way of making sense of all this senselessness?

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Why does AlterNet even pay attention to Ms. Malkin?
Posted by: LeftWright on Feb 14, 2007 1:21 AM   
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She is a hatemonger, is not worthy of attention and should be ignored.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» MY POLICY Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: MY POLICY Posted by: Basenjis
Slightly off the Track, but...
Posted by: pcushniesr on Feb 14, 2007 5:56 AM   
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"The Iraq War does not provide the life of a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine with meaning. The Iraq War does not instill meaning in service. Those who have served know that, foolish war or just, honorable service is a meaning unto itself and has a value independent of context."

Which also means that those who serve during wartime but who are never sent into combat, or who serve during peacetime, serve no less honorably than anyone else. As a Marine Corps veteran of the Vietnam era (1962-1968) who was never sent to Vietnam, I have a problem with the general perception that combat participants are the "real" service members and this is why I have a problem with Vietnam combat vets. I can never belong to their club and we both know it, and so I would like to point out that "Those who wait in line also serve." (Sorry, I don't know who to attribute that quote to.) Those who might just shuffle paper or "hold down the fort" in the rear, are also worthy of recognition.

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THE TRUTH HURTS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 14, 2007 6:09 AM   
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Sen. Obama tells the truth. Our people are dying for a big lie contrived by Bush and friends. Yes, in vain. John Kerry also told the truth and meant what he said. "Go to college or end up fighting in Iraq". People have to choose between the truth and politically correct. Can't have both. Thank,s ANNA

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Truth Hurts
Posted by: brainvib on Feb 14, 2007 10:07 AM   
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Sometimes the truth hurts and hurts deeply. This is one of those times. It hurts to say
all those 3,000+ lives are wasted but they are. It hurts to say the 30,000 wounded
suffered for greed but they did. And the 600,000 Iraqi vitims for what? More wasted
lives unnecessary pain and anguish. Yes, the truth hurts BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE AN
APOLOGY.

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matchstick people
Posted by: andrewstromotich on Feb 14, 2007 10:22 AM   
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when i was at the world tribunal on iraq in istanbul back in 2005, i was amazed to find so much sympathy for US soldiers amongst Iraqis attending. More an once, a delegate referred to US soldiers as Bush's matchstick people, throw-aways tossed on a pool of gasoline for the purposes of warmin his toes (and haliburton's et al).
the understanding amongst Iraqis at that time that US soldiers are also victims of their society, was moving.
They understood and sympathised with the plight of empoverished america, and could see beyond their own victimization and feel for another group of fodder of occupation. I think things may have changed with all the attrocities (rape, murder, torture) committed by the US forces that are rapidly becoming mentally ill (color purple syndrome), but it was empowering to see that the sympathy that defines humanity still remains amongst a terrorised community...
"the war on terror is not going to end"-W

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Nobody hates the troops more than
Posted by: Roverton on Feb 14, 2007 10:48 AM   
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Michelle Malcontent.

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No, it isn't a waste of life
Posted by: Ellie1 on Feb 14, 2007 11:37 AM   
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it is a waste of death. A waste of potential. A waste of truth. A waste of education. A waste of energy. And most of all, a waste of love and truth.

To me ALL Republicans are a waste.

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Military PR
Posted by: buffeliscious on Feb 14, 2007 5:37 PM   
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Thank you, Evan. This all makes sense. The neo-cons are on a massive PR campaign. The other day in Atlanta airport I was witness to hundreds of soldiers on their way back to Iraq being paraded through the most public areas of the airport, announced by an out-of-uniform commander of some sort. "Ladies and gentlemen, please rise and give a hand of support to these young men and women on their way back to the frontlines of the war in Iraq." And then they all walked through as people clapped and some cheered, but most, like myself, were emotionally manipulated. We clapped, because if we didn't, we would be seen as unsupportive. But most of us do not support the fight they have been thrown into and yet in this moment of over-simplification, we were either for them or against them.
And also... what were they doing flying commercial aircraft in a busy commercial airport? The cost of the extra security alone was quite substantial.
This was a travesty. If I were a journalist, I would have had a story on my hands.

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Thank you Evan
Posted by: fair.shar on Feb 14, 2007 6:27 PM   
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I have tried to write something like this myself, and I always feel I end up seeming like a shrew. When 75% of the soldiers believe they are doing something altruistic, that believe the lies, while giving their lives, you have to wonder about them. I usually cannot stay away from that end of this topic.

Evan does the best job I have ever seen with this article. I don't keep many, but I'm keeping this one so I can refer back to it when words elude me which isn't often. (I am a research journalist).

Today I saw a picture of a hideous looking freak of a man who returned from Iraq looking like someone from another planet, whose girlfriend married him anyway. Please take a minute and check this out. http://www.ninaberman.com/index3.php?pag=prt&dir=marine

I went to the site to look at the rest of the pictures. He comes out of his house with the US Flag flapping in the wind. He has a picture in his home, or maybe it is a replica of the Liberty Bell. I figured -- he is one of the ones fighting for """"freedom"""" in Iraq as our freedoms have been stripped here in our own country, not to mention our occupation of a soverign country we lie to say we are giving freedom, while killing them.

I would not have married him. No, not because he looks like a freak but because he believes the lies...because he doesn't have the courage to stand up and tell this country and the world that his injuries that have deformed him beyond human looking were all for lies.

It is not insulting to tell the troops the truth. What does lying to troops have to do with supporting them? People have this all upside down.

Evan Derkacz says it perfectly. This is what all democrats should be saying -- and it is what everyone who opposes the lies of this war should try to verbalize instead of running away every time we are accused of not supporting the troops. Their version of supporting the troops means lying to them...at least we can and should tell them the truth. bush sure in hell isn't going to do it.

BTW, if you want to see other photos in this gallery where the Marine was shown, here is the main link. She has an interesting one on "Megachurches" and another one called "Homeland Insecurity." http://www.ninaberman.com/index3.php?pag=prt

Thank you, Evan -- Democrats could use your article for some talking points and learn how to reframe this ridiculous notion that you have to lie to troops to protect them.

Sharin in California

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