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So what if Iran is arming Shiite militias?

Posted by Joshua Holland at 10:02 AM on February 12, 2007.


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At the risk of being repetitive, let me again say that the "left's" -- for lack of a better term -- crucial error in the lead-up to the war with Iraq was accepting the argument that an invasion would be justified -- legally and morally -- if Saddam Hussein possessed WMD.

That meant that we were debating the intelligence, and hawks within the administration always had more access to it than any of us outside the government did. We lost that debate when we accepted its terms -- the response should have been that Iraq was a piss-poor country that was well contained whether or not it had some old stocks of gas or germs buried in some hole somewhere.

So here we come to Iran. As everyone and their cousin has pointed out, it's just like the last time around, with anonymous government sources using dubious intelligence to blame Iran for the occupation's woes. We even have the same reporters carrying the neocons' water this time around as did the last.

We certainly have to counter the administration's claims. The briefing given in Baghdad doesn't add up; even if it did, we're still talking about 5 percent of U.S. fatalities; there's no smoking gun, and weapons manufactured in Iran could have come into Iraq via Hezbollah or could have been acquired on the international arms market; the focus on Iran is a distraction, and ignores evidence that the Saudis are lending support to the Sunni insurgents responsible for the lion's share of American casualties -- all of these are important points to make.

But let's not forget to make the bigger argument: even if Iran is furnishing weapons to Shiite militias, it's not a legitimate casus belli. I'll skip the fact that international law guarantees all people the right to resist armed occupation and go to the real heart of the matter: in the bloody mess that Iraq has become, the U.S. and Tehran are backing the same factions. We're on the same page with Tehran -- we're allies, or at least strange bedfellows.*

Recall Bush's typically simplistic narrative of what went wrong in Iraq, from his speech in January:

Al Qaeda terrorists and Sunni insurgents recognized the mortal danger that Iraq's elections posed for their cause. And they responded with outrageous acts of murder aimed at innocent Iraqis … in a calculated effort to provoke Iraq's Shia population to retaliate.
Tehran would not argue with that.

Within the Shia community, there are pro-Iranian factions -- represented most visibly by SCIRi and the Dawa party in the parliament and the Badr Organization on the streets, and nationalists like Moktada al-Sadr, who chafes at the idea of either Iranian or U.S. influence.

The administration has declared the Mahdi Army to be the leading cause of instability in Iraq, and Tehran sees it as an obstacle to Iran's growing influence in the region.

Tehran's closely allied with SCIRI -- the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. In December, Bush hosted SCIRI leader Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim, and said of him:
This is a man whose family suffered unbelievable violence at the hands of the dictator, Saddam Hussein … yet rather than being bitter, he's involved with helping the new government succeed.
…I appreciate so very much His Eminence's commitment to a unity government. I assured him the United States supports his work and the work of the Prime Minister to unify the country. Part of unifying Iraq is for the elected leaders and society leaders to reject the extremists that are trying to stop the advance of this young democracy.
Those fawning remarks were about the Shiite faction that Iran wants to see prevail in Baghdad.

So, yeah, they may be training and arming members of Iraq's Shiite militias, and some of the weapons may end up killing American GIs. But so are we. The difference is that Iran is training and arming the Shiite groups we've decided are the good guys (the pro-Iranian militias), whereas we're arming and training the Mahdi Army, who we've declared the leading cause of strife in Iraq (see previous link).

Whether the information we're getting is solid or not -- and as bizarre as it may seem -- Iran's on roughly the same side as we are in Iraq, so where's the problem?

*This is, of course, somewhat over-simplified, but when has that gotten in the way of a good political argument?

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Everyone knows the USA wants another war because the war in Iraq is going to die out soon
Posted by: werewolf on Feb 12, 2007 10:25 AM   
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To keep the Military Industrial complex of the USA, a trillion dollar industry and the major financiers of the US legislators happy, the US Administration will resort to any amount of lies to start a new war. No war no sales of products. As simple as that.

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Iran is on.
Posted by: CriminallySane on Feb 12, 2007 10:26 AM   
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From Editor & Publisher (citing Paul Krugman in NYT Select) comes this: "But war with Iran is a harder sell, so sending several aircraft carrier groups into the narrow waters of the Persian Gulf, where a Gulf of Tonkin-type incident could all too easily happen, might be just the thing..."

And Newsweek discusses the sending not of a second carrier group, but rather a third, to the Gulf:

"But the fact remains that the longstanding war of words between Washington and Tehran is edging toward something more dangerous. A second Navy carrier group is steaming toward the Persian Gulf, and NEWSWEEK has learned that a third carrier will likely follow. Iran shot off a few missiles in those same tense waters last week, in a highly publicized test. With Americans and Iranians jousting on the chaotic battleground of Iraq, the chances of a small incident's spiraling into a crisis are higher than they've been in years."

This level of "positioning" of forces rarely if ever results in a quick stand-down. We are going to see an attack in Iran very soon, for whatever phony, ginned-up reason.

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How many US soldiers have died from lack of body armor etc?
Posted by: lessbread on Feb 12, 2007 10:28 AM   
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Anonymous sources claim 170 US troops have died from Iranian munitions. How many US troops have died because they were sent into harm's way with inadequate protection? Without proper body armor or in humvees that weren't up-armored?

It seems to me a political argument should be countered with a political argument, not a "so what" argument.

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Regardless of which faction is being supported
Posted by: chaoslegs on Feb 12, 2007 12:26 PM   
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Iran is just imitating American behavior. We supplied Afghan rebels in the 80s in their battle against their Soviet occupiers.

How exactly is this any different, besides the US being the target? It would be nice if we Americans would stop being so freaking hypocritical.

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War Mongering Embedded in Article
Posted by: rwa on Feb 12, 2007 1:38 PM   
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"ignores evidence that the Saudis are lending support to the Sunni insurgents responsible for the lion's share of American casualties -- all of these are important points to make."

It's important to make this unverifiable point repeatedly as Joshua does, if the goal is to push an invasion of Saudi Arabia.

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Because only the USA has the right to defend their country, attack
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Feb 12, 2007 1:59 PM   
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other countries, have weapons of mass destruction, have large standing armies, etc. If any other soverign dares do so, without the explicit consent of the USA in pursuit of the larger globalist agenda, they are 'rouge', illegitimate states that must be destroyed. Only the USA has the God-given right of self-defence (including the right to preemptively attack in 'defence') and the right to have modern arms.

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Maybe not so strange
Posted by: asilsfable on Feb 12, 2007 2:21 PM   
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let me again say that the "left's" -- for lack of a better term -- crucial error in the lead-up to the war with Iraq was accepting the argument that an invasion would be justified -- legally and morally -- if Saddam Hussein possessed WMD.

That meant that we were debating the intelligence, and hawks within the administration always had more access to it than any of us outside the government did. We lost that debate when we accepted its terms -- the response should have been that Iraq was a piss-poor country that was well contained whether or not it had some old stocks of gas or germs buried in some hole somewhere.


Have you read anything Scott Ritter has written? I have--BEFORE the war. Joshua, they knew FULL WELL that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Remember Rumfeld's 'cakewalk' comment? No one uses those terms with North Korea, do they?

If I could go into a bookstore and/or online and purchase a book that has an expert stating facts regarding this same issue, why couldn't/wouldn't anyone in the Congress be able to do the same? Most of the legislators knew it was bullshit and went along with it because the country had been whipped into a frenzy over 9/11.

A previous article expressing non-chalance about Bush initially asking for wholesale license to invade any country in the Middle East as he pleased was surprising to me. I was stunned by the revelation. I watch CSPAN a lot, read newspapers around the world, listen to NPR. It was the first I'd ever heard of it. Obviously Iran has been in the crosshairs for a while.

Shortly after Bush won re-election, a representative from the Chinese govt made an announcement on Bloomberg UK that they had an agreement with Iran to develop their oil and natural gas fields for the next 20 years(Greg Palast later told me that the Indians were in on the same deal). Iran has basically sold off a major portion of its natural resources--it's idea to turn to nuclear power for its own domestic needs seemed a logical choice.

By the way, almost every country in the Middle East has plans to go nuclear. It isn't a secret--I read it in the English-version papers in Eqypt and have been hearing about it from many other sources since then.

in the bloody mess that Iraq has become, the U.S. and Tehran are backing the same factions. We're on the same page with Tehran -- we're allies, or at least strange bedfellows.*

That's not the only place, either. Iranian intel in Afghanistan is said to be better than US and we have similar interests there as well.

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tedrad
Posted by: tedrad on Feb 12, 2007 2:53 PM   
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Do the three masked men really expect us to believe that Iran would ship weaponry to Iraq after carefully labeling them "MADE IN IRAN AT WHATEVER FACTORY AND DATED IN 2006." Give them some credit! Do they also say "INSPECTED BY?"

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Great article on framing Iran. Thank you Joshua Holland.
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 12, 2007 8:44 PM   
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It's sad that the Left refuses to follow the decent path to not only framing the ideas and debate but also sticking to ideas that they need not fear even as 80+ percent of the American public truly wants the progressive ideology to have its say in what is supposed to be "land of the free". For the Left to resort to self-defeat and mere reacting but pandering when push comes to shove just like the fake "centrists" is a MAJOR betrayal of the voters' trust.

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Not "over-simplified" enough
Posted by: SteveB on Feb 13, 2007 6:36 AM   
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Joshua's argument requires way too much background knowledge about the situation in Iraq to be effective - especially considering that the left has such a limited ability to get its ideas, or even some basic facts, out to the public.

Why complicate things? Here's an argument against war with Iran that builds on what people already know:

George W. Bush is a madman who has killed thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people based on totally fictitious reasons, and now he's getting ready to kill thousands more. He must be stopped - period.

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» RE: Not "over-simplified" enough Posted by: Joshua Holland
world domination
Posted by: xgroverx on Feb 13, 2007 7:04 AM   
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The ultimate goal of America's ruling elite is complete domination of the middle east. In pursuit of this goal, it is irrelevant whether Iran supports the same side in Iraq. The only important idea is that Iran must be stopped in order to pave the way for a region ruled by US hegemony, a region where western-style democracy and rampant capitalism, via free trade and globalization, will flourish.

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Frame the Debate
Posted by: redbrownandblueparty on Feb 13, 2007 11:09 AM   
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How about Love vs. Power? Does a person's heart bleed over the unjust loss of one human life or does it bleed over the loss of X amount of money-power? My heart is with those who suffer unjustly. I feel sad and angry at the war-profiteers who have yet to rise to the human level of consciousness.

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clinker
Posted by: cottontail on Feb 13, 2007 12:43 PM   
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So Iran is helping Iraqis fighting the American invaders. To put it in simple terms for the moron majority to understand--let's say England invaded Canada. Would we be bringing arms and ammunition and soldiers to help? Of course we would. If Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb who are we to say they can't. Is Bush emperor of the world? Israel has nukes and refuses to sign the Non-Prolifereation Treaty. One of these days our bullying is going to come to a screeching and perhaps bloody halt. We're asking for it.

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SO What??
Posted by: madmac10 on Feb 13, 2007 12:56 PM   
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How unbelievably naive to say that anything can be done to stop war with Iran. As has been pointed out, strident voices clamored against the Iraq invasion, to no avail. Sorry, folks, but this is a done deal. Nothing any citizen or politician has done has stopped the war with Iran yet (only massive forces of history have been able to forestall the inevitable so far.)

When the wheels of destiny begin to roll, the individual is crushed beneath them. The hands of power are guided by what they believe to be bibilcal prophecy, and no enlightened system will obstruct them. Their determination will be the undoing of our republic. MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN. The writing is on the wall. And there is nothing anyone can do about it, except remind their grandchildren that there was once a grand experiment in democracy which failed.

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Pentagon lies caught
Posted by: farhada on Feb 13, 2007 1:56 PM   
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Take a look at my analysis of the recent Pentagon lies:

Pentagon caught in lies about Iran

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Iran helping Iraq Freedom Fighters
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Feb 13, 2007 6:13 PM   
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Everyone seems to forget who invaded who in this whole situation. The US made an unprovoked invasion of Iraq under totally false premises. The US violated the UN Charter! Iran is to Iraq as the US was to Afganistan when the Russians were the invaders. The Bush Administration lied about Iraq and now they are lying about Iran, when is the media going to wise up and start reporting the real story here? Iran has just as much right to be in Iraq as the US, perhaps more since they share borders. The best solution for everyone is to bring our troops home NOW and let the Iraqis sort this mess out.

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Causus Belli
Posted by: dkm on Feb 14, 2007 6:56 PM   
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The Bush admin has probably realized that using the exact same excuse (nuclear weapons) to invade Iran is not going to play as well this time around. They can read the polls and realize that it is a loser, so now they are trying another excuse, the Iranians are responsible for our soldiers dying. They are trying to flog this pig in a poke on us hoping that we do not notice that the number of US military personnel killed by Shias is negligible and those killed with Iranian weapons is even less. And I am absolutely sure that they do NOT want to discuss the number of Lebanese children killed by cluster bombs (MADE IN AMERICA) while playing soccer or farmers blown apart while plowing their fields. If killing soldiers is reason for starting a war, what is killing civilians?

I liked the point that Joshua made that the people who Iran would be expected to supply with weapons are exactly the same groups that we are already arming ourselves, not the Sunnis or the Shia militias that oppose the US invasion.

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