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The assassination of Jimmy Carter continues …

Posted by Joshua Holland at 6:56 AM on January 22, 2007.


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In Saturday's Washington Post, Deborah Lipstadt, the Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University, took aim at Jimmy Carter and his recent book, Palestine: Peace Not Aparthied.

The column was a perfect example of how to baselessly smear an ideological opponent without engaging -- in any way -- that opponent's argument; it was a case study.

Its title -- drawing a not-terribly-subtle parallel between the former president who put human rights squarely in the middle of U.S. foreign policy and Adolph Hitler, a genocidal maniac -- was: "Jimmy Carter's Jewish Problem."

Lipstadt accuses Carter of giving "inadvertent comfort" to Holocaust deniers -- the subject of much of Lipstadt's scholarship and two of the three books she's authored. Carter, she wrote, has responded to "criticism" -- "witch-hunt" would be a more appropriate description -- by "reflexively" offering up "innuendo about Jewish control of the media and government." She adds, "When David Duke spouts it, I yawn. When Jimmy Carter does, I shudder."

Carter has repeatedly fallen back -- possibly unconsciously -- on traditional anti-Semitic canards. In the Los Angeles Times last month, he declared it "politically suicide" [sic] for a politician to advocate a "balanced position" on the crisis.

Of course, saying that the political climate in the U.S. is such that just about any vocal criticism of Israel's policies in the Occupied Territories -- that's the subject at hand, although one would be hard-pressed to discern it from Lipstadt's Op-Ed -- guarantees a firestorm of indignant howls is certainly not a "traditional anti-Semitic canard"; it's a fairly accurate description of the pitfalls inherent in modern America's polluted discourse around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. One need look no further for confirmation of that than Lipstadt's own toxic response to Carter's book.

What's striking about her column is not only it's stunning intellectual dishonesty -- Jimmy Carter has never suggested that Jews control the media or the government in any way, shape or form -- and it's not only that such a transparent attempt to tar a former president with innuendo and half-baked guilt-by-association would appear in a major newspaper of record; what's really amazing about Lipstadt's effort -- and the efforts of a host of Israel hawks like her -- is the degree to which it does exactly what she accuses her opponent of doing: conforming to some of the ugliest stereotypes that have long undersored hardcore anti-Semitism.

Lipstadt herself gives inadvertent comfort to the likes of David Duke.

While that statement is jarring, it is exactly as fair and accurate -- or, I'd argue, as unfair and outrageous -- as Lipstadt's charge. That's the problem with associating a substantive argument like Carter's with an illogical and hateful ideology like Duke's: it's not hard to cherry-pick almost any text and find in it some small thing that a racist might embrace as confirmation of his or her odious beliefs.

Specifically, while David Duke is certainly, unlike Jimmy Carter, a Holocaust denier and has argued --again, unlike Carter -- that there's some shadowy Jewish conspiracy exerting control over the American media, people like Duke also expound on their belief that Jews are paranoid, see themselves as perennial victims, have fetishized the Holocaust and now invoke its history to stifle any criticism of Israeli policies in the current era. Like many stereotypes, there's a kernel of truth in that and advocates like Lipstadt have chosen a rhetorical strategy that, sadly, supports those stereotypes to a T. If Jimmy Carter's arguments are illegitimate because they play into the tropes of people like David Duke, then so are Lipstadt's own.

Lipstadt makes no attempt to actually refute Carter's thesis, or even to engage it; she says, simply, "Others can enumerate the many factual errors in this book" and lists several who have (including people like Alan Dershowitz). Indeed, her criticism has nothing to do with Carter's subject; rather, she argues that Carter's book didn't devote sufficient weight to the supposed impact the Holocaust has had on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:

His book, which dwells on the Palestinian refugee experience, makes two fleeting references to the Holocaust. The book contains a detailed chronology of major developments necessary for the reader to understand the current situation in the Middle East. Remarkably, there is nothing listed between 1939 and 1947.

In those years, the world's attention was squarely on Europe, and no events that were crucial to the chronology of the Middle East conflict occured. In fact, I checked the timelines for the creation of the State of Israel offered by a few different organizations and none of them listed any significant developments betwen 1939 ("The British government issues the White Paper of 1939 setting an absolute limit of 75,000 on future Jewish immigration to Palestine") and 1947 ("The United Nations approves partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. It is accepted by the Jews, but rejected by the Arab leaders" (from Wikipedia's timeline)).

Compare Carter's approach with that of Rashid Khalidi, head of Columbia University's Middle East Institute and a professor of Arab studies there. His recent book "The Iron Cage" contains more than a dozen references to the seminal place the Holocaust and anti-Semitism hold in the Israeli worldview.

Of course, Lipstadt's own 850-word column -- supposedly related to the situation in Israel and Palestine -- only refers to "Palestinians" twice, and nowhere is there a mention of Israel's refusal to resume direct talks with Palestinian leaders six years after withdrawing from the negotiating table, nor do the words "occupation," "settlement" or the phrase "human rights violations" appear anywhere in the text.

As'ad Abukhalil remarked sarcastically that Lipstadt has a point. "After all, the Palestinian refugees were part of the Nazi regime. And did Lipostadt [sic] think that Carter was writing a book on European history?"

Lipstadt doesn't think that; she believes -- but is too smart to say so openly -- that the fact that the Holocaust was perpetrated in the 1930s and 1940s should give Israel a pass for continuing an armed and brutal occupation of the Palestinians in 2007. She makes that belief clear in choosing to devote so much of her column to the Holocaust's significance in the "Israeli worldview."

[The] event sealed in the minds of almost all the world's people then the need for the Jewish people to have a Jewish state in their ancestral homeland … A guiding principle of Israel is that never again will persecuted Jews be left with no place to go. Israel's ideal of Jewish refuge is enshrined in laws that grant immediate citizenship to any Jew who requests it.

This is irrelevant to Carter's thesis that the framework for peace in Israel and Palestine has long existed, and that while rejectionists on both sides bear the blame of that "roadmap" not having been implemented, the United States only calls out the minority of Palestinians who stand in its way, not the minority of Israelis who do the same.

More to the point, the discussion of the Holocaust is the "hook" on which Lipstadt hangs the central straw-man long used by Israeli hawks to stifle criticism of Israel's policies: Lipstadt accuses Carter -- whom she acknowledges signed the legislation creating the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum -- of downplaying the Holocaust and, in so doing, giving ammunition to those who "deny Israel's right to exist."

One cannot ignore the Holocaust's impact on Jewish identity and the history of the Middle East conflict. When an Ahmadinejad or Hamas threatens to destroy Israel, Jews have historical precedent to believe them. Jimmy Carter either does not understand this or considers it irrelevant.

I, too, consider the Holocaust irrelevant to any discussion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict today, but not for the reasons that Lipstadt suggests (like most American Jews, lives of members of my own family were destroyed by the Nazis' atrocities). It's irrelevant because perception and reality are two different things. The reality rests on Israel's air force, its state-of-the-art military -- one that dwarves the conventional capacity of all of its Arab neighbors combined -- and its ample nuclear arsenal. Israel's existence -- within the "green-line" -- is, simply, not in question, regardless of anyone's bluster. More to the point, Israel's value as a refuge for world Jewry has nothing whatsoever to do with its activities outside of its internationally-recognized borders; discussing it in the context of Carter's book is a transparent bait-and-switch.

I call the argument the fundamental straw-man of the debate because those who call into question Israel's right to exist within its own borders represent a fringe minority, including among Palestinians themselves (scroll down a bit for the data). The issue for the vast majority of Israel's critics is whether A) the Palestinians also have the right to exist within their internationally-recognized territory and B) whether Israel has the right to maintain about 7 percent of its population in heavily-armed compounds in Palestinian territory.

They don't have that right -- no more than Americans have the right to build armed camps in Canada -- and the legion of Lipstadts who jump on works like Jimmy Carter's know it. It's a debate they'll lose every time if they engage it honestly, so, sadly, they avoid it by disparaging those who have the audacity to call them out.

As Carter told the AP, ""I have been called a liar…I have been called an anti-Semite … [and] I have been called a bigot. I have been called a plagiarist. I have been called a coward. Those kind of accusations, they concern me, but they don't detract from the fact the book is accurate and is needed." He added, "Not one of the critics of my book has contradicted any of the basic premises … that is the horrible persecution and oppression of the Palestinian people and secondly that the formula for finding peace in the Middle East already exists."

PS: Check out Alexander Cockburn's take on the many attacks on Carter. Here's a taste:

Suppose the movers and shakers in the Israel lobby here -- Abe Foxman, Alan Dershowitz and the rest of the crew -- had simply decided to leave Jimmy Carter's Palestine Peace Not Apartheid alone. How long before the book would have been gathering dust on the remainder shelves? Suppose even that Dershowitz had rounded up his unacknowledged co-authors in all their tens of thousands and sallied forth to buy up every copy of Carter's book and toss each one into the Charles River, would not that have been a more successful suppressor than the blitzkrieg strategy they did adopt?

Of course it would. For weeks now the lobby has hurled its legions into battle against Carter. He has been stigmatized as an anti-Semite, a Holocaust denier, a patron of former concentration camp killers, a Christian madman, a pawn of the Arabs who "flatly condones mass murder" of Israeli Jews. (This last was from Murdoch's New York Post editorial, relayed to its mailing list by the Zionist Organization of America.)

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Evan adds...

Rabbi Michael Lerner, one of the only voices in the Jewish community to support Carter, calls him: "the best friend the Jews ever had as president of the United States," writing that:

Carter does not claim that Israel is an apartheid state. What he does claim is that the West Bank will be a de facto apartheid situation if the current dynamics represented by the construction of the wall, by the passage of discriminatory legislation and by the inclusion of racists in the leadership—most recently that of pro-ethnic cleansing Israeli Cabinet member Avigdor Lieberman—continue. The only way to avoid Israel turning into an apartheid state is a genuine peace accord.

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jan 22, 2007 7:35 AM   
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Your link to J. Carters Jewish problem doesn't work

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links don't work
Posted by: g on Jan 22, 2007 7:59 AM   
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I was very interest in the data on Palestinians' opinion on the right of Israel to exist-but that link does not work.

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Bad links ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Jan 22, 2007 8:16 AM   
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Sorry for the links, folks. Our system is sensistive and I forgot to put the text through a "cleaner" program. Everything's working fine now.

Sorry again.

JH

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"Carter Doctrine", botched rescues, giving away the Panama
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Jan 22, 2007 8:23 AM   
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Canal to the Red Chinese, inflation, and high gas prices. Why does the Jewish lobby need anything else to discredit this guy? Just go on his real policies and record.

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» giving it away Posted by: brasilaron
The Shift in Criticism
Posted by: gtash on Jan 22, 2007 8:30 AM   
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If you have listened to the media barrage against President Carter, you will have noticed the shift from "he outrageously uses the word 'aparteid'" to the present "aid and comfort to holocaust deniers".

President Carter is being smeared by desperate people who have not yet learned to live with the truth. Each time the volume is turned up by these attackers, the easier it is to dismiss them.

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JewsJewsJewsJewsJews.......
Posted by: american on Jan 22, 2007 8:44 AM   
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The truth is that thing that all other things circle round but do not explain. The thing that explains the truth is only the truth itself. If you look at the big picture - never mind this crucifixion of Carter - you see that this issue, "Israel," is perpetual and that it is always as this one is; that is: total support for Israel from the media no matter what. If the media were not almost completely controlled by the Jews, this would be impossible. (Okay improbable at least?) The main thing that keeps this atrocious situation going is the improbability in the minds of gentiles (their disbelief) of this very situation in a "free press," "free market," "democratic" country. That the "why" of things - most absolutely media ownership - is never heard of in the "news" is either A) coincidental or B) intentional. I am here to tell you it is most definitely "B." If you want to discover the truth of what I am saying, investigate the ownership of ALL the media companies you can - you will find that they are nearly ALL Jew-owned or Jew-controlled. (Ask: why does everyone on radio and TV sound like they are from the lower east side of NYC? Why is there no one [!] with, say, a real Southern accent? In movies involving the South, for example, they use actors that fake the Southern accents instead of actually using real Southern people to act. This is so very improbable. Likewise, you will see plenty of blonde women on TV and in the movies. But never will you see a blonde man - say a classic looking Anglo-Saxon man - [if so, they are always in the future or the past, but never in the present] who is a "good guy.") Know that Jews, though their ancient family name be "Hamech," or something, will change their name to, say, "Jack Simpson." Once "Jack Simpson" gets control of a company, there'll be twenty other fake "Jack Simpsons" hired and twenty authentic Jack Simpsons fired. A little help: the Jews never name themselves after the New Testament figures. They go with "Jon" instead of John and "Marc" instead of "Mark." Lastly, let me clear a couple things up for you. Do I think there is a conspiracy going on? See the above. Am I Anti-Semitic? See the above.

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» RE: JewsJewsJewsJewsJews.......Please Posted by: Joshua Holland
The Paradox of Israel
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 22, 2007 8:55 AM   
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It's sad that in this country it is very hard to be critical of the Israeli government without having some bad label stuck on you. One can be critical of Israeli policy without being anti-semitic or some other kind of wacko.

The way Israel has treated the Palestinian people from the creation of the modern state until now is appalling and morally unjustifiable. That a group of people who were so horribly mistreated and abused could, in short order, visit different, but equally evil, injustice upon another boggles the mind. 60 years of injustice has cost the world a lot of peace and a very high price.

I lack the hubris to think that I have the answer to the problems of Israel, but I do know that an honest and open discussion is critical to finding that answer. President Carter has a historic involvement and understanding of the issue and is a critical voice that should be listened to. Those who choose not to are hurting themselves and the cause of peace and justice.

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» RE: Sometimes Posted by: Bibs
Josh's problem
Posted by: Moore Hognutz on Jan 22, 2007 9:33 AM   
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Good solid work, Josh. No problem.

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"...Israel's policies in the Occupied Territories -- that's the subject at hand..."
Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 22, 2007 9:37 AM   
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Thank you for calling on us to stick to the subject. I, too, found myself replying to critics because, I assumed their criticism of Israel included the legitimacy of Israel's self-defense after partition.

Focusing on the Occupied Territories would keep the debate clean. Although fat chance, it seems.

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Jimmy Carter:
Posted by: rwa on Jan 22, 2007 9:53 AM   
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"Not one of the critics of my book has contradicted any of the basic premises ... that is the horrible persecution and oppression of the Palestinian people and secondly that the formula for finding peace in the Middle East already exists,"

Wow!

He not only condemns israeli treatment of Palestinians, he calls israelis to task for pretending that their hands are tied.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Peace is accessible - Israelis don't want it.

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Murdoch
Posted by: ng1944 on Jan 22, 2007 10:08 AM   
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Only in this country, someone like Murdoch,
can arrive from another country and then use all
his money and influence trying to destroy constitution,
democracy and everything this country is built on.
Is Murdoch a Jew.

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Impressive Logic
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 22, 2007 10:29 AM   
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Just want to add my acknowledgement of an excellent piece of writing. Joshua is navigating a minefield here, and I think he's done a superb job. Some arguments I haven't seen before.

I also think ex-President Carter deserves credit for his courage in entering that same minefield, knowing full well that he'd be subjected to a firestorm in retaliation. He's been a superb ex-President, unlike many, and has gone a long way to make up for his failures in office.

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Amazon.com put out a hit on Carter as well
Posted by: fanny666 on Jan 22, 2007 11:25 AM   
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Amazon.com petition

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The response to Carter's book proves even ISRAEL isn't as Israel-biased as we are.
Posted by: Lord Ichmael on Jan 22, 2007 12:28 PM   
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Israelis have not quickly latched onto and demonized Carter's legitimate statements as anti-Semetic or associated with Holocaust denial. At least compared to us, from what I've heard, the reception of his book in Israel has been mostly positive. I think I know why. The Israelis know what's really going on over there; they're right dab in the middle of it.
Whereareas both of our political parties as well as the entire mainstream media are so fanatically Israel-biased that any and all criticism is immediately demonized as anti-Semetism. These people either don't know or don't care that the Palestinians were the indigenous people of that land, until Israel came in in the mid 1900s and bulldozed them and kicked them out. They never stopped consistently oppressing and butchering the Palestinian people. And we've never stopped consistently supporting this policy. Anti-Semetism is effectively used as reverse-justification for Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity (not that Palestine doesn't have its own share of similar crimes).
And people wonder why there's terrorists that hate us.... Then again, the reason they don't know that is the same reason they don't know what's really going on over there: the MSM and both parties spin the facts so that while it appears to be neutral, it's actually Israel biased. Just like the MSM's parroting of GOP rhetorical bullshit as fact.
As Noam Chomsky said, any dictator would admire the faithfulness of our media to our government. Even the Anti-Defamation League immediately demonizes all criticism of Israel as anti-Semetic. I thought they were a group whose views I shared... but alas, they're too biased for me.

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» More to the point ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Christian Zionism
Posted by: herbal on Jan 22, 2007 3:08 PM   
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How can a David Duke be regarded both an anti-semitic bigot and a "pro-Israel" Zionist? Why cannot Jimmy Carter or any other of us criticise Zionism, Israel, its Lukid Party or its theocracy with out being branded anti-Semitic? Why do I feel the Ward Churchill is a saint compared to the intellectually dishonest Debora Lipstadt critics of Jimmy Carter? The answer for you readers is to be found by googling "Christian Zionist". Duke is pro-Israel because it fits his religious doctrine that does not give a hang about Jews, only the abstraction of the Israel of misunderstood prophecy. Christian Zionist advisors, including many in the Evangelical movement, currently dominate the Bush Admin. foreign policy dynamics in the Mid-East. Orthodox Zionists and Christian Zionists co-exploit one another to gain very different ends while largely rejecting the other's doctrines. What they do agree about is the razing of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque and rebuilding the Temple. Both groups think this will conjure up the Messiah (1st or 2nd time respectively) bringing on the 'rapture' and/or Armageddon.

It is about time that someone of Carter's integrity speak the painful truth that can shed some sanity on our dangerous times and during an Israeli/Christian Zionist promoted religious war.

The real culprit is Theocracy. Theocracy entails corporatism (look up Corporatism on wikipedia). Corporatism is part and parcel of Fascism, the word being coined by Mussolini, hisself. The state sanction of religion, any religion, in Theocracy leads to intolerance and Fascism. Hence, the Constitution of Israel cannot lead to pluralistic or democratic society. The theocracy of Israel is evident in the persecution of Marinist Christian minority (10%) along with Moslem Palestinians and the indescriminate bombing of Lebanon civilians (45% Christian). Theocracy is ethnocentric. Ethnocentricism precipitates racism. We need Rabbi Michael Lerner to rewrite evengelical Gregory Boyd's excellent 'The Myth of a Christian Nation', titled "Myth of a Hebrew Nation".

We all must take a stand that is loving of Jews as individuals and as a people and even loving an improved constitutional and democratic State of Israel; one that does not give extraordinary power and influence to one sect (ultra-Orthodox) or religion. Do we wish to install James Dobson 'Evangelical' Christianity as the official
State religion of USA? Rhetorical, no.

According to the American paradigm, it is all right for Russia to be full of Russians; but it is not alright for them to have an official Orthodox Christian State church or to expell and persecute Jews. so why the double standard. How can well meaning liberal Americans endorse the reinstallation of the Dali Lama in a theocratic Tibet?

Israel needs to get out of US self-determination of foreign policy, to register all their lobbists as foreign agents. We need to repudiate all crocodile tears from the Religious Right for modern Israel. Remembering that 80% of Israeli Jews are non-religious, repudiate the ethnocentric religious foundation of the modern nation of Israel and support the valid criticism of Jimmy Carter.

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Glad someone has the guts to state the obvious.
Posted by: suki on Jan 22, 2007 7:15 PM   
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So much has been said for so many decades, I will only say, "Go Jimmy". And thank you for sticking your neck out where so many others have not dared to state the obvious: Israel needs to be nice to its Palestinian neighbors.

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bobvz@cox.net
Posted by: Robert Veasey on Jan 22, 2007 8:37 PM   
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I for one always knew that Carter was a suckup to Arab States. Now we know why.

The best thing about this is that the people who know him the best - they see it too - and are jumping ship like rats leaving Boston during the Big Dig.

Perfect ending to a useless, striklingly boring man - living proof that men make history - usually for the worse - and usually involving the worst about themselves in the process.

He should have stuck with Nuclear Sciences. There he could eeked out some sort of legacy. Jimmy 'The Nuclear Peanut" Carter" they would write of him.

As it is now, he's just another redneck Jew hater - much akin to the rest of that from which he came. Now his family will know that he never finished anything as a success...including life itself.

He remember his brother Billy "beer gut' Carter? Now that was a precious gem. You know the old saying, the acorn doesn't fall that far from the tree. The only real difference between Billy and Jimmy ---well--- it's just not remarkable. Their two peanuts in a cup. It just took Jimmy a longer time to bring it out.

The best part is that hypocrites are usually tripped up by their own lies and deceptions. Born Again Christian, eh? Yea, right!

What a putz!

Thought he might just pull off the legacy trick; after a failed Presidency, the worst inflation we'd seen ever, the highest mortgage rates we'll probably ever see; the worst foreign policy since Wilson..what a small person Jimmy really turned out to be!
He tried to redeem himself - building all of those cheap houses for the downtrodden and all of that. But we all knew that it was grandstanding for a 'no longer paid attention to ex-failed-President.!'

Somebody should take away his Nobel - now that the real Jimmy Carter has finally showed up.

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Re Carters Book, Democracy, Repubs,Catholics... et.al.
Posted by: bob t on Jan 22, 2007 9:48 PM   
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Many thanks Joshua for your courage in walking through this tempestuous issue.
As I understand it a majority of the Isreali people want a fair and lasting peace and are disgusted with this never ending fighting. But the warhawks in thier gov't don't listen to them, just as the republican chickenhawks in america do not listen to us, the american people who are sick and disgusted with endless wars and killings. Big Business, Big Neocons(Cheney, Rumsfeld et.al) and Big Religion in america support the rethuglikkkan party and it's unending desire for war because it makes them richer, including Big Religion.

The Catholic Church, Popes Pius XI and XII, endorsed and supported Hitler and the Nazi Party. Now the Catholic Church, Popes John Paul II and Benedict are endorsing and supporting the rethuglikkkan party and have been since Reagan, when the Catholic Church, my church, aligned itself with the rethug party which continues, unabated, to this very day.

Big Religion in america has sold itself out to the rethug party and is /are no longer religions but have become nothing more than political organizations. What was terribly wrong before WWII and led to the horrors of the Holocaust is equally wrong now and leading to the endless rethug war machine, the destabilizing of the Middle East for rethug GREED and more PROFIT.

Is the defamation of Carters Book another Kristallnacht and Nazi book burning. If this book is suppressed how can the Israeli people see what their gov't is doing, how can they have the information they need to vote as THEY desire, instead of how the Republicans in america want them to vote. And of course the very same thing has and is happening in america due to the republican partyand their "Three Pillars" of support, Big Business, powerful Neocons and Big Religion, evnagelical FUNDAMENTALIST religions like the Catholic Church, my church.

PRAY FOR PEACE, or the "Three Pillars" supporting the rethuglikkkan party may just destroy us all.

And I'm not even a Democrat, but I am a Catholic and abhor what Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI are doing to america via their long standing support for the rethuglikkkan party of neo-nazis, white supremacists(John Ashcroft) and neocon fear and war mongers like Rick Santorum, Sam Brownback,Rudolph Guiliani,Mike DeWine, George Voinovich, Lisa Murkowski, Frank Murkowski, Jeb Bush, John Boehner, Richard Pombo, Mark Foley, Alberto Gonzales, L. Paul Bremer etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam.

PRAY FOR PEACE

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Skrunge-Worzle
Posted by: Skrunge Worzle on Jan 22, 2007 10:38 PM   
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Looking from overseas, the USA is generally regarded as a second, subsidiary state of Israel. Israel says "Jump", the USA asks "How high?"

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