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NASA plans permanent moon camp

Posted by Melissa McEwan at 11:38 AM on December 5, 2006.


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My first decidedly unromantic response to this story, which describes NASA's plans to permanently staff an "international base camp on one of the moon's poles" was: We've got a ten gazillion dollar deficit; perhaps this can wait. But that felt like too much of a grumpy pooh-pooh even for me, particularly since I'm usually such a sci-nerd, so I headed on over to visit My Favorite Physicist, Sean Carroll, at Cosmic Variance, to see what he had to say. Turns out, he's not much more excited than I am.

It's frustrating to be so lukewarm about the Great Human Adventure in Space, about which I'd much prefer to be enthusiastic. But nothing about the operation inspires confidence, much less wonder. NASA Deputy Administrator Shana Dale described the program in this tired bit of management-speak:

"This strategy will enable interested nations to leverage their capabilities and financial and technical contributions, making optimum use of globally available knowledge and resources to help energize a coordinated effort that will propel us into this new age of discovery and exploration."

Do people really talk like that? It sounds straight out of Dilbert. Complete with numbingly bullet-pointed Powerpoint presentation!

Maybe the concerns are misplaced, and NASA will be able to aggressively pursue human exploration of space without sacrificing their unique contributions to cutting-edge astrophysics. But I'd be just as happy to let NASA concentrate on the science at which they excel, and leave the space-cowboy stuff to the X-prize folks.

Maybe we're both just cantankerous curmudgeons, but I think he's got a point. (Especially when he also notes that "Nobody knows how much it will actually cost.") It seems like an inevitably vast expenditure for something that NASA's own Deputy Administrator can't make sound more exciting than a new mini-mall in Scranton -- probably because it won't provide a dissimilar opportunity to, oh I don't know, say, Halliburton or Bechtel that a mini-mall would to Subway and The Gap.

Oh, so cynical, I know, I know. But the ability of "interested nations" to participate puts me in mind of the order signed by Bush in October to assert America's right to limit other nations' access to space. Bush, of course, won't be president during most of the project, but the possibility that it could be someone with equally entrenched interests in funneling profits to favored corporations and labeling nations part of an axis of evil makes the whole endeavor seem a wee bit iffy. I've got to second leaving the the space-cowboy stuff to the X-prize folks.

Not that NASA's listening...

(Cosmic Variance)

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Melissa McEwan writes and edits the blog Shakespeare's Sister.


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You know...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Dec 5, 2006 12:33 PM   
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I am a HUGE fan of the space program. When times were good, I considered it one of the best things we could invest in. But now? Now with a huge deficit, ongoing war that doesn't look to end anytime soon... yeah, now is not the time.

There is too much going on... there is too much other need.

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How long?
Posted by: Chattyjane on Dec 5, 2006 2:13 PM   
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How long do you think it will be before they put weapons at that moonbase? The moon will become one more menace to our world and we will never look at it the same again. How sad.

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Democrats v Republicans
Posted by: JoeCraine on Dec 5, 2006 3:27 PM   
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Ain't it grand!

The earlier lying SOB that was the cause of American deaths at home from his coup d'etat and even more abroad in an illegal war in a foreign land was able to get us to the moon in about 5 years. He was a democrat.

The new lying SOB responsible for deaths here and an illegal war in a foreign land is going to need nearly 20. He's republican!

Of course, I want to remind you about kids and homework.

What is the first excuse of a kid that doesn't do what he said he did do? "I lost it!"

I wait for the day when we are permitted to see the stars around the planets. I wait for the day when we can again see how fragile an airframe really is - pictures of these slow speed accidents on the ground where no one gets hurt.

Not to say, of course, that the apollo program was as real as OBL attacking the WTC.

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Science question
Posted by: chaoslegs on Dec 5, 2006 4:08 PM   
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Is it realistic that we would be able to generate enough energy on the surface of the moon to counter the energy cost of landing and launching from the surface of the moon?

Sure for launching you could develop more efficient launch system between lower gravity and no atmospheric friction. However, the question is would we be able to produce enough energy to maintain a base and to truly use it as a way point to further exploration?

To keep out of the gravity well, but to stay in stable location, you could pick one of the LaGrange points instead.

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we never went to the moon
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Dec 5, 2006 7:03 PM   
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sorry I need to say it. Just kidding but I'm surprised that one of the 9/11 guys hasn't mentioned the other faked event-- the moon landing!
But seriously this is just another excuse to give fat-cat government contracts to well-heeled corporations and to a inflated government bureaucracy entitled under the new space directive (put out last month) to develope weapons for US supremecy in the sky.

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» RE: we never went to the moon Posted by: JoeCraine
crazy!!!
Posted by: hillstar on Dec 6, 2006 4:11 AM   
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Katrina survivors still have no homes,the southern coast needs major rehabilitation; we will need to take care of thousands of Iraq war veterans who have been seriously wounded in body and mind; our health care system is nothing to brag about, and seniors often have to go without medicine; our bridges,roads and infrastructure are failing; our educational system is falling apart....and this administration is talking about building a base on the moon?! Are they perhaps thinking of giving Halliburton the contract? Gimme a break...

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Is this for real?! NASA never put a man on the moon in the first place!
Posted by: hoogenboom on Dec 6, 2006 6:30 AM   
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You didn't know? Albrecht Krausse is absolutely right. That was a gigantic hoax, those 6 (or was it 7?) manned moon landings, starting in 1969 and continuing into the early seventies. Yes, Sir, a fraud, a big lie, deceit on a enormous scale, the brazenness of which beggars belief! We've got the Internet; without it, without all the available evidence and expert analysis of every aspect of it being so easily accessible to everyone, we would never have jointly reached the conclusion that Americans in high places were accomplices in the murder of 3000 people on 9/11, 2001. In the same way, use the Internet to check out what the Europeans and Russians have known for years, that the moon landings were a fake. And now this assistant administrator of NASA is talking about a moon camp? You see, for one thing the problem of the deadly radiation of outer space, and, close to us, the Van Allen belt, has never been solved, not by the US and not by Russia, nor by the Chinese. This radiation kills everything alive, and certainly the tinfoil of a lunar entry vehicle offers no protection. Interestingly, any aliens in their UFOs flying about our planet need to have solved that problem too.

Yes, sadly, the moon landings never took place, and we were all taken in. I remember staying up all night listening to the live broadcasts from the moon in 1969 (Neil Armstrong even sang "I as walking on the moon one day").

Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au
Sydney, Australia

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Moon bases modeled after .....
Posted by: symcokid on Dec 6, 2006 11:13 AM   
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the Military Bases in Iraq but will be outfitted with Inter Galatical Weaponry. We have our flag on the moon so we lay claim to the entire solar system, we're going to colonize all of it. Right now the Scientists are working on a feasible mode of transportation to get all of the minerals back to Earth. I wonder how long it will take man to screw everything up on the moon too?

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Replacing Ronnie Ray-Gun's Star Wars Defense System...??
Posted by: carcinoid112 on Dec 6, 2006 3:57 PM   
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which is pretty well useless. But the Repubs drag it out and try to animate it (although it's been declared not just dead, but never feasible as designed) even though it just isn't tossing enough money at some huge government contractors. How ever will GWB protect his phony-baloney job??

The MOOOON!! Lookie there!! The MOON!! Ain't that nifty?? We can OWN the MOON!

And the cash keeps flowing to the "right people". So, if Star Wars gets de-funded, THIS cash cow will keep giving because it's THE MOON!!

Another Bread and Circuses provision by the Government, with the bread NOT going to the populace...just the circus, which, at its heart, turns out to be a couple of sad clowns just sittin' around being dumb and arrogant, and expecting the taxpayer to pay for both the bread and the circus.

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We have to show the Chinese who's boss...
Posted by: lessbread on Dec 6, 2006 7:07 PM   
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China Plans To Land On Moon By 2024

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SHANGHAI, China, June 20, 2006

(AP) China plans a manned lunar mission by 2024 that will include a walk on the moon's surface, a top Chinese scientist was quoted as saying in a Hong Kong newspaper.
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Beyond that, if we don't build a base there first then all of our property claims will be worthless... Get your piece of the moon today! [/sarcasm]

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