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Leaving Iraq … honorably?

Posted by Joshua Holland at 8:43 AM on November 27, 2006.


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At the end of an otherwise highly cogent op-ed about getting out of Dodge, Senator Chuck Hagel (NE) -- a "moderate" who's been known to brag about his 100% rating from the American Conservative Union -- offers this bit of Nixonian rhetoric:

It is not too late. The United States can still extricate itself honorably from an impending disaster in Iraq. The Baker-Hamilton commission gives the president a new opportunity to form a bipartisan consensus to get out of Iraq. If the president fails to build a bipartisan foundation for an exit strategy, America will pay a high price for this blunder -- one that we will have difficulty recovering from in the years ahead.

The column's titled, "Leaving Iraq, Honorably," and while Hagel has to embrace that as a possibility for obvious reasons -- political reasons -- the potential for leaving with "honor" (at least within the framework of the kind of analysis favored on cable news stations -- truly honorable results could never have followed a war of choice against a third-rate power) is a fading image in our rearview mirrors. We will leave Iraq when domestic pressure reaches a tipping point -- unlikely with Bush in the White House -- or when the more powerful Shiite factions in Iraq decide they've had enough with the occupation forces keeping them from getting their full-blown civil war on, whichever comes first.

At that time, regardless of the larger context in which we make our departure, the most recognizable faces of the anti-American movements in Iraq -- including the small number of "foreign fighters" who have been drawn to the conflict like flies to a festering carcass -- will declare victory over the American leviathan and our humiliation will be complete. We will, indeed, be seen as a paper tiger; leaving will make us look almost as weak as staying and being unable to control the spiraling violence. This is inevitable; it won't be good for America or Iraq, but to the extent that the lesson sinks in among the political class -- a group that's shown a stubborn inability to learn from disasters like Vietnam -- it may be good for the world in the long run.

As for the Baker Commission -- which looks as though it's leaning towards a strategy of regional engagement -- it's unlikely to have the impact for which many are hoping for two reasons.

The most obvious is that the preznit isn't on board with the whole change of strategy thing:

Mr. Bush spent 90 minutes with commission members in a closed session at the White House two weeks ago "essentially arguing why we should embrace what amounts to a 'stay the course' strategy," said one commission official who was present.

If you watch for it, the other reason the Baker Commission is unlikely to accomplish much will become clear: there will be a lot of discussion about whether we should engage countries like Iran and Syria in an attempt to stabilize Iraq, but none -- or at least very little -- about what we might put on the table as an incentive for them to help out.

The things that might give countries like Iran that incentive -- normalization of diplomatic relations, security guarantees and, most importantly, pressure on Israel to resolve its conflict with the Palestinians equal to that put on the Palestinians to recognize Israel -- are anathema to America's strategic class and won't gain serious consideration. Reciprocity -- the idea of giving something to get something -- may be a central tenet of foreign policy, but it doesn't drive U.S. policy-makers, and that means that all the recent talk about engaging with our "enemies" is effectively doomed before it leaves the starting gate.

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Engagement U.S. Style
Posted by: rwa on Nov 27, 2006 9:37 AM   
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Are 70,000 Pentagon Mercs Killing Shias, Sunnis in Iraq?

11/27/2006 aljazeera:

The kidnapping of four American security contractors earlier this month in Iraq revived allegations that U.S. private security companies are involved in the current bloodshed in Iraq. Iraq war is not just fought by occupation armies and resistance fighters- private firms, consisting of gun-wielding ex-soldiers, are also involved.

Could some of the Pentagon’s hired Mercenaries be the real perpetrators of the daily bombings and assassinations of Sunnis and Shias in Iraq?

Is the current disaster taking place in the war-torn country part of a wider plot to provoke a U.S./Israeli planned civil war that will dismember Iraq?

That is what’s being said in Young Pelton’s upcoming book “Licensed To Kill: Hired Guns in the War on Terror”

Pelton, a journalist, filmmaker, and explorer who authored The World's Most Dangerous Places, Come Back Alive, The Adventurist, and Three Worlds Gone Mad, suggests that there are more than 70,000 armed men working as security contractors in Iraq to back the U.S. military as the U.S. begins to draw down troops.

What backs Pelton’s revelations and shocking facts he discovered about the world of military contractors is what Nick Bicanic and Jason Bourque uncover in their “Shadow Company” documentary that unveils the origins and destinations of these modern-day guns for hire.

Who are these security contractors? What do they do? Why do they do it? Bicanic’s documentary answers these questions.

Shadow Company highlights the danger of allowing profit-motivated firms to get into the business of war.

Those individuals, those modern-day mercenaries, are changing the face of modern warfare while their world has remained mystery to those at home.

The U.S. believes in using private sector in all facets of its so-called "War on Terror"; resorting to contractors to back its military, giving them a license to kill- their services available to the highest bidder.

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» RE: ngagement U.S. Style Posted by: give_peace_a_chance
» "Objective" doesn't exist Posted by: hagwind
Wrong War, Wrong Reasons, Wrong Logic
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 27, 2006 10:32 AM   
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There can be no honorable exit from an unjust war, fought dishonorably, in a dishonorable fashion by people motivated by dishonorable purposes.

This war has been based upon lies, deceit, repression, evasion, secrecy, theft and torture. It has destroyed families, communities and lives on both sides. It has destroyed America's reputation in a way that will take generations to repair- if ever. It has also subjected millions to economic hardship, again on both sides and the bills will continue to come due for all of our lifetimes.

The only honorable thing to do is withdraw, apologize, make reparations and send the perps to International War Crimes Trials. Anything else is denial.

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» an "Unjust" war Posted by: zipper696
The United States look weak?
Posted by: badkitty on Nov 27, 2006 10:36 AM   
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We look like a pathetic shadow of our former selves, not just weak. We have a shattered, ethically challenged military, an economy that has been gutted, and a government that almost doesn't exist (remember the government response to Katrina). Anyone who remembers the 50s or 60s knows that we are a second rate nation, and we may be a third rate nation soon.

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» RE: Change Your Perspective Posted by: NoPCZone
Joshua Ludd: tired of Joshua Holland's ego.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 27, 2006 11:43 AM   
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Joshua Ludd: tired of Joshua Holland's ego.

Joshua Ludd: I don't need to see your name everywhere when you write an article.

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» well... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: well... Posted by: HeroesAll
» Joshua Holland: not a matter of ego ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Get a grip Ludd Posted by: harpy
Here's a guess about the lessons learned
Posted by: HeroesAll on Nov 27, 2006 11:56 AM   
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We will, indeed, be seen as a paper tiger; leaving will make us look almost as weak as staying and being unable to control the spiraling violence. This is inevitable; it won't be good for America or Iraq, but to the extent that the lesson sinks in among the political class -- a group that's shown a stubborn inability to learn from disasters like Vietnam -- it may be good for the world in the long run.

I'd have said it would be quite a good thing, both for the US and Iraq. For the US, because the world's biggest bully needs to be shown that extreme force won't always get them what they want, and perhaps that they're not as tough as they think they are. For Iraq, because the US presence is only making things worse, and will continue to do so regardless of what happens when they leave.

Provided, of course, that the US does actually leave, which includes the 'private contractors' and undercover spy guys doing nefarious things (I can't help thinking false flags). And the 14 permanent military bases. And the US ambassadorial palace. And the PSAs.

But here's a prediction about what lessons the US government and possibly US people will 'learn' from Iraq. First up, I'm guessing that they won't, sadly, decide that wars of choice are bad, or that believing patent lies is bad, or whatever. I doubt very much that any thoughts of refraining from invading other countries, overthrowing foreign governments at whim, or the absolute rectitude of bombing civilians you don't agree with, will be stricken from the agenda.

No, I'm rather convinced that the 'lesson' taken from this tragedy will be to use extreme force and not risk even one precious US life. Aerial bombing Keeps Our Boys Safe, and neutralises the risk of insurgents.

Sigh. I'd love to think that the US government and general populace would learn some valuable lessons that would make the world a safer place. But I very much suspect they won't. As you say, Joshua, reciprocity would be a fine thing, but sadly American exceptionalism doesn't seem to allow that possibility.

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Honnorable Act on Video
Posted by: rwa on Nov 27, 2006 12:12 PM   
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http://brickburner.blogs.com/my_web log/2006/11/bombing_a_mosqu.html

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Peace With Honour
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Nov 27, 2006 1:00 PM   
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we've all been here before and my prediction is still the same. The Democrats in congress allow further escalation and mucking it up leading to a Republican victory for the next Presidential race (in which the Repub's candidate will pledge for seeking a 'peace with honour' and pull out of the troops.)

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Where is Iraq headed? Nir Rosen tells us.
Posted by: SteveB on Nov 27, 2006 3:02 PM   
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On the Nov. 27 edition of Democracy Now (www.democracynow.org) Nir Rosen lays out the likely outcome for Iraq: a Shiite dictatorship, complete with death squads, brutally repressing the Sunni minority.

And Iraq is headed toward this end regardless of what the Americans do. The American presence is mostly helping to speed the development of the coming Shiite dictatorship (by "training" the death-squad-infiltrated police and military), but even without American assistance, the Shiites have 60% of the population, most of the oil, and control of the police and military. The Sunnis won't stand a chance.

As Americans (most of us) we tend to assume we're at the center of everything, but the impression I took away from Rosen's interview is that the Americans are not even a significant factor in Iraq anymore. All the more reason for us to leave.

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surrender democrat style
Posted by: give_peace_a_chance on Nov 27, 2006 5:13 PM   
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the following will occur when democrats surrender to iraqi islamist:

after hundreds of thousands of iraqis are murdered by shia death squads armed by iran, the islamists will consolidate power. liberal are complicite in this genocide as they were in cambodia.

iran will use iraq as a proxy for exporting terror attacks throughout the middle east as they have used hezbollah.

with the iraq front secured, shia islamists will move into turkey, jordan, egypt, and north africa.

soon after terror attacks will began in the balkans.

after the balkans have been destablized, the attacks will begin in europe proper.

thanks to the democrats.

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» Nice try Posted by: eddie torres
» Repub talking points Posted by: harpy
only ONE way to regain any sense of "honor" in the world
Posted by: xbj on Nov 28, 2006 3:59 AM   
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Bring every last troop home from Iraq in a week, then legally try, and then hang the entire Administration for their war crimes and treasonous attacks on the constitution and Bill of Rights, and then make sure Congress UNDOES every single thing this Administration perpetrated that can be undone, including signing statements. Then fine all war contractors and offense contractors and all war profiteers every last penny they "earned" of the war (stolen from the American taxpayers) and return, half to the taxpayers, and the other half DIRECTLY to the Iraqui people, after making sure all foreign contracting is outlawed in Iraq by the Iraq government. Hold the estates of Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Rice PERSONALLY responsible for every MISSING PENNY from the Pentagon and mising in Iraq. EVERY LAST PENNY.

That won't bring back any of the innocent dead, but it will go a long way to restoring America's honor and reputation in the world, and believe me; it would be the only thing that could.

Anyone that thinks half-measures are going to work, or even another Clinton in the White House, is just plain nuts. It will take the US DECADES to recover the goodwill of the William Jefferson Clinton era worldwide. DECADES, if EVER.

If America has the balls to do this, IT WOULDN'T EVER HAPPEN AGAIN EITHER. If America does not, not only will it continue, it will get worse, far worse, and even with power tipping toward the Democrats, the GOPNazis will just go undergound and plan their next vote-stealing campaign and 9-11 to solidify power and we'll be in another useless moneyminting GOPNazi war debacle within 15 years.

That's IF (and it's a big 'IF' at this point) China doesn't get fed up with the US coming between it and its economic survival (Iranian oil) and nukes the hell out of the US from sea to shining sea.

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» XBJ is right, folks... Posted by: HeroesAll
Leave Iraq honorably is an asinine, ludicrous and nonsensical waste of words.
Posted by: symcokid on Nov 28, 2006 6:14 AM   
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There is no such thing as leaving Iraq with honor! What are we going to do, ask the Iraqi's to forgive us for our transgressions? Where is there honor in this ILLEGAL INVASION, WAR and OCCUPATION - what of all the WAR CRIMES and the GENOCIDE? What's with all our latest lies of withdrawing from Iraq when the USofA really has no intentions of ever leaving, what do we intend to do, just leave the Military Bases behind for housing projects? There is no HONOR in anything this SUPER POWER has done to IRAQ!!!

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IT'S TIME FOR BUSH TO LEAVE IRAQ WITH HIS TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS
Posted by: SALLY EVANS on Nov 28, 2006 8:28 PM   
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AND IT'S TIME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO INDICT BUSH AND HIS REGIME AS TRAITORS AND STOP "PLAYING DEMOCRACY". WE HAVE NO DEMOCRACY, ONLY A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP! NO ? PROVE IT! INDICT THE IDIOTS THAT ARE PLAYING IMPERIAL LEADERS WHEN WE KNOW ALL THE WHILE THAT THEY ARE THE LOWEST FORM OF SCUM ON THIS EARTH, TRAITORS !

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Building fences
Posted by: Basenjis on Nov 29, 2006 9:11 AM   
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Since building fences seem to be the solution of the day, why not just evacuate all of our soldiers and innocent civilians, build a fence around the country--and call it "Hell?" Then we would have the perfect place to send Bush and Cheney when convicted of of their crimal acts--plus anyone else complicit in this illegal bloodbath.

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