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Bush and Co. don't deserve impeachment

Posted by Joshua Holland at 7:10 AM on November 16, 2006.


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While I wouldn't oppose chimpeachment if it were to develop organically from a robust investigation into Bushco's activities, I don't support it as a goal. To impeach would be to let this crew off way too easily.

It would be a huge energy-suck with a negligible pay-off. Bush and Cheney might be indicted in the House, but as Tim Dickinson points out on the front-page, there is zero chance that Joe Lieberman and 16 other Republicans would vote a guilty verdict in the Senate.

But let's say they did. The process would drag on for more than a year, and then the only remedy that could come of it would be the Bushies' removal from office a few months before their terms end.

These guys stand accused of incredibly serious crimes, including the most serious crime according to the precedent established at Nuremberg: waging a war of aggression. I can't get behind any process that doesn't offer the possibility of prison or other real sanctions. It's a criminal prosecution for war crimes, implementing a policy of torture and violating the Constitutional rights of tens of thousands of Americans that's worth a hard fight.

An impeachment would only focus on process -- did the administration lie to Congress in order to go to war? It would leave unexamined and untouched the underlying questions about the legitimacy, morality and legality of American militarism. It might focus on whether the administration skirted the Geneva Conventions or U.S. laws banning torture, but it would never examine the legitimacy of declaring sweeping executive powers during a time of a pseudo-war on terror. Too many democrats support those things for it to be otherwise.

Consider the lesson of Iran-Contra -- a missed opportunity in very similar circumstances. Greg Grandin recently pointed out that because the fundamental questions about America's involvement in Reagan's "Dirty Wars" were glossed over, the Dems' investigation into the rogue operation was a "disaster":

At the heart of the Democrats' disaster was their unwillingness ever to question North's militarism or Reagan's support for the Contras, whose human-rights atrocities were well-documented. Rather than attacking Reagan's restoration of anticommunism as the guiding principle of U.S. policy, they focused on procedure - such as the White House's failure to oversee the National Security Council - or on proving that top officials had prior knowledge of the crimes.

… just a year after the hearings, Iran-Contra was a dead issue. When Congress released its final report on the matter in November 1988, Reagan breezily dismissed it. "They labored," he said, "and brought forth a mouse."

And criminal prosecution won't follow impeachment -- you can't have both. Polls show that right now Americans favor accountability -- a majority says they're for impeachment because that's the only option they're given. But the process will be a wrenching one, and there won't be the stomach to drag the country through it twice. If Congress were to impeach, that would be that; the conventional wisdom would be that justice was served, the rule of law re-established and the Bush administration brought to heel.

Consider who that would let off the hook: Rumsfeld and Feith and Yoo and Cambone and Gonzalez and Ashcroft and Wolfowitz and a half dozen others. Bush and Cheney would be booted out of office a few months early and all of the rest of the cabal that brought us to where we are today would end up rehabilitated, only to reemerge in some future administration like so many of the veterans of Iran-Contra have.

Now, the truth is that in all likelihood neither impeachment nor a criminal process will come to pass. The sad fact is there is very little chance this bunch will face any serious consequences for their actions. But who knows? Liz Holtzman, who was intimately involved in drawing up articles of impeachment against Nixon, said that in 1972, "nobody -- no Democrat was pushing for it. And, in fact, as the revelations came out, it still wasn't on the table." It was a groundswell of anger from the American people that forced Congress to finally take action, and a similar groundswell might -- might -- lead to a more rigorous judicial process.

I think building that groundswell of anger should be the goal of activists, and pressuring the Democratic Congress to do the hard work of investigating the specifics and developing a case that could later be turned over to prosecutors is the best way to get there. And while they're at it, they have to strip away the immunity for officials whose actions violated the Geneva Conventions that was built into the Torture Bill.

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Posted by: brad on Nov 15, 2006 5:12 AM   
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Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong. The investigations that you call for will tie up congress way longer than an impeachment process, which would uncover the same dirt and more. We must be pragmatic, there will be no criminal prosecution, the long list of criminals will not be held responsible.
The only thing to do is to impeach. We must have law and order, if we don't then the next time they come to power, and they will, they will begin were bush left off and go even further. Impeachment is the only way to save democracy.

p.s. How did the Clinton impeachment procedures hurt the republicans?

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I couldn't agree more
Posted by: Lizmv on Nov 15, 2006 5:26 AM   
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An open and in-depth investigation into the entire Bush administration is called for. Impeachment at this point will only further polarize us. It will do nothing toward restoring (if we ever really had it) the integrity of our government. Only full disclosure and a willingness to take responsibilty for the Bush administration can do that.
It's the "little" things, like the fact that $2 million paid to release Fox journalists has been used to purchase weapons, that lead me to believe this entire war on terror was manufactured for the sole purpose of war profiteering. If this is true, Bush and Co. are guilty of the worst possible crimes against humanity.

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Impeachment is all we've got
Posted by: brad on Nov 15, 2006 6:32 AM   
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As mentioned many times in the arguments against impeachment, the house and senate are so close. Which is why we need to impeach. There will never be any progressive bills coming out of a congress this close with veto power in the bush white house. Our only available option is to impeach, if not the dems will lose the progressive vote and the repubs are already moving to the center. It is the only way the dems will win in 2008. If they don't impeach they will be labeled as obstructers as the government shuts down in grid lock. It will mean the end of the dems for many years to come. We have to connect the extremism of the bush admin with the republican party. It is what the dems won on.

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NSL
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 15, 2006 7:19 AM   
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I hope whoever gets elected in 2008 fills out a National Security letter on the whole Cabal and disappears them right into the hands of the International Criminal Court.

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Listen to Liz
Posted by: sasha40 on Nov 15, 2006 8:22 AM   
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We should listen to Liz Holtzman, and just badger Congress relentlessly to get to the bottom of everything that's gone on in the Bush administration. I imagine MoveOn.org and ImpeachBush.org will start sending petitions around in December/January. The question is, how many super-pissed off Republicans will join in?

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Conservasaurus
Posted by: drmflorida on Nov 15, 2006 9:16 AM   
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Conservasaurus has the flu, so I'm filling in for him today.

Impeach him for what? He's never done ANYTHING wrong! I once heard that he chopped down a tree, but couldn't even lie when his mother asked him about it.

I know you liberals are going to start talking about lying to congress, torturing, violating the constitutional rights of millions of Americans by tapping their phones without a court order, and using WMDs in Faluja, but come on... Clinton got a blow job!

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Impeach him??!
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Nov 15, 2006 9:33 AM   
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I don't what to impeach this crew... I want them to Go To Prison for the rest of thier worthless lives... Freakin' monsters!

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But deserve new Nuremberg
Posted by: ng1944 on Nov 15, 2006 9:43 AM   
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They do not deserve impeachment,
but New Nuremberg trial.
Without punishment all these crimanals
will be right back next elections,
packed with money from corporations
and support from Murdocks

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CAN WE HAVE IT BOTH WAYS?
Posted by: AlohaTerry on Nov 15, 2006 11:02 AM   
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Without taking too much time away from important issues that must be pushed through Congress by the Democrat New-Majority, there should be Commitees formed to investigate ALL of this mis-Administration's countless crimes---IMPEACH AND PUT THEM ON TRIAL!! 6 years of Bush/Cheney/Rove has been punishment ENOUGH for America---keep the heat on, and when Bush vetoes a worthy bill, it gives US the ammunition to use against them in 2008---Anyway, there is PLENTY of CRIME/CHARGES on so MANY LEVELS to warrant IMPEACHMENT AND CONVICTION!!!

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I used to be 100% for impeachment
Posted by: JackieGiles on Nov 15, 2006 11:11 AM   
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...but I must agree with every word Josh wrote. I have been saying for months that I believe our best strategy is to take the House and Senate and vigorously resuscitate Congressional oversight

I’m glad that the House committee heads will be experience legislators like Waxman, Conyers, Rockefeller and Biden, who will be Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee and has announced there will be hearings on Iraq. Holding investigations of Halliburton,et al, the “intelligence” leading to the war, etc. will enlighten the electorate without giving a 24/7 cable platform to the likes of Ann Coulter, Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham and Bill O’Reilly to paint the Democrats as revenge-obsessed left-wing maniacs.

If we make impeachment our primary goal, rather than the constitutionally mandated oversight that congress is charged to conduct, I think voters would recall the sour taste they got from the only impeachment they’ve ever seen and very likely say “A pox on both your houses”, you Dems have the House and Senate; I’m voting for a Republican for president in 2008.

We are far better off passing as much good legislation as possible, not tailored to suit Bush, but based on real Democratic principles--help the middle class, raise the minimum wage, take care of the military victims of this war and their families, and give people up to age 25 health care with a promise to do better when we're not pissing away money in Iraq. Make Bush veto it and beat the Republicans to a pulp in 2008 for obstructing the common good.

We Democrats need to behave like grownups and delay our gratification. Even if we impeached Bush, it's doubtful that he'd be out of office much before 2008, anyway. If we make him an impotent Lame Duck the effect will be better than sending him on a hunting trip with Dick Cheney. It's the best way to take back our country.

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I agree 100%
Posted by: jeff2045 on Nov 15, 2006 12:14 PM   
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Our new congressional majority has it's work cut out for them. There is much damage to be undone, and attempts by Bush to block it will blow up in his face if (and it's a big if) we play our cards right.

Intelligent, low-key congressional investigations, with uncovering the truth as their goal and not impeachment per se, would provide the groundwork for criminal prosecution later. They would also provide a heavy hammer with which to discourage blatant attempts to block much needed progressive legislation, and attempts to use the same against us with predictable, divisive, vitriolic rhetoric of lies and distortion.

Joshua said it all in the title. They don't deserve to be impeached and allowed to ripen through the years into "elder statesmen who have learned their lesson". We need to pull together, and with a united voice encourage Congress to take care of the nation's business first, and intelligently use their newfound subpoena powers to slowly but surely peel the layers of lies and deception before the eyes of the American public, and let the chips fall where they may.

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Well then...
Posted by: Metesh-ah on Nov 15, 2006 2:13 PM   
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there has to be something, somewhere, somehow to prevent people from being monsters without conscience...Maybe Bushit, Inc. will get the eternal hellfire they swear we Progressives are gunna get... guess the world will just have to wait for justice.

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The uses of impeachment
Posted by: janehansonbcn on Nov 15, 2006 2:32 PM   
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One benefit of bringing a bill of impeachment against The Current Occupant, et al., would be to gain back some of the credibility as a great nation, in the eyes of our allies as well as our enemies, which we lost when we allowed this crew a second term. This issue should be part of the calculus re "impeachment: yes or no?" or "impeachment: compared to what?" To simply give their outrageous behavior a pass, calling it "bipartisanship" & "looking forward rather than backward," would make not just the Democratic party but the whole nation look utterly ridiculous all over again.

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» RE: The uses of impeachment Posted by: HeroesAll
No impeachment means no prosecution
Posted by: lessbread on Nov 15, 2006 3:24 PM   
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The idea that Bush et al. would be prosecuted for their various crimes after completing their terms of office is ludicrous. If they are to be charged and tried, they must be impeached first.

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» Is this a legal necessity? Posted by: HeroesAll
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criminal impeachment
Posted by: channing on Nov 16, 2006 11:49 AM   
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it starts with competent investigations with subpoena powers, with the goal of establishing impeachable offenses of high-crimes and misdemeanors... the idea of separating impeachment and criminal investigations from a groundswell of public activism is ludicrous: accountability here will take everything we the people have.

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» RE: criminal impeachment Posted by: oregoncharles
Impeachment is a dead end. Corruption investigations are a long distance marathon.
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 16, 2006 12:46 PM   
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The Dems lack proven reserves of two key resources: time and votes. They'll need both in the run up to 2008, when a serious attempt to get a Dem in the White House, and prevent a slide in Congress, will require a lot of 'mended fences' with campaign contirbutors who also fund lobbyists. Burning too many bridges will hand the White House to John McCain.

A partisan and progressive Congressional agenda, built up over 6 years of frustration, can't be unleashed on the average American in less than 2 years. It's going to take 6 months just to subpoena the first DoD witnesses to the Office of Special Plans and Iraq CPA clownery. Not to mention digging up witnesses and documents from obscure executive branch bureaus that played key roles in voting shenanigans, Katrina failure and fraud, strategic defense cost overruns (remember SDI? it's back!), energy industry market rigging, etc.

After 2008, things may look different. Promise voters in 2008 a public holiday for national elections. Only a big turnout will allow Dems to enact fundamental reforms, which will take a lot longer than 2 years.

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Political necessity
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 16, 2006 10:45 PM   
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First of all, impeachment is a political necessity for the Dems. It's what they were elected for, and there is now clear popular support for the option. If they don't do it, their collusion with the Bushies will be out in the open for all to see.

Actually, I see '08 as a very good year for "minor" parties. All we'll need are candidates with name recognition - any offers? Bernie Sanders? The Dems are going to fall flat on their colluding faces, and Joshua, good though he often is, just floated the trial balloon for their copout.

Of course, it all comes down to the investigations. If they do their jobs, the Repubs will cut Bushco loose to save their own sorry asses, as they did Nixon. You can't try them on criminal charges till they're out of office - and the sooner we get started, the better. True, it's likely to take a while; but it would cripple them politically in the meantime.

As someone pointed out, one of the strongest arguments is the veto. You have to get that out of the way to accomplish any legislation - or terrorize the Repubs into overruling it.

I also like the point about prosecution afterwards: very difficult, if Congress didn't even have the wherewithal to remove them from office.

Also: " Too many democrats support those things for it to be otherwise." Too true. So why are you still a Democrat, Joshua? And the rest of you? C'mon, there IS a progressive party, and the Dems ain't it. Note that Feingold just decided not to run for President in '08. Now they've got nobody progressive, unless Kucinich wants to practice futility again. Who do you suppose sat on Feingold? Howard?

You fell down badly this time, Joshua. It just isn't sensible politics.

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» RE: Political necessity Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: Political necessity Posted by: Joshua Holland
Impeachment would be just as successful as...
Posted by: Burton on Nov 20, 2006 11:41 PM   
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...proving Bush was AWOL from the National Guard, Valerie Plame and Anyone But Bush 2004.

The left has to get over the idea that just because something sounds good on Radio Pacifica it is going to fly in the real world.

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