every wacko, fundamentalist, conspiracist knows that Prince Charles is the anti-Christ as this is told in the return of King Arthur legend and his bloodline is linked with the House of David and, as such, fullfills the gospel. In addition his wife, Diana (concidence that this is the name of the godness) sacrificed/murdered due to the attempts of the Muslims fighting against the anti-Christ (Dodi Fayheds attempt to rescue Diane from the evil Masonic clutches of the Prince.) As a member of the Abrahamic religions the muslims also recognised the evil nature of Prince Charles and attempted to intervene (of course, there are the bad masonic-influenced muslims who are also waiting for the rapture/12thIman) and so have no problem with supporting Prince Charles's dark throne.

Wow, who knows I could find out so much information on google so quickly. Hope this sums up that Obama is not the anti-Christ. BUT WAIT. Maybe its POSSIBLE! Because Obama's father was from Africa and so he COULD be related to one of the 'lost tribes of Isreal'. I also need to research his mother's roots (was she possibly Jewish, if so he also would be from House of David). I really must reconsider after some more 'research'.

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I've often said that there need to be more efforts by the Left to engage evangelical Christians in dialogue...but doomsdayers like the ones cited here are, to put it bluntly, beyond help.

The only thing I wonder is this: how prevalent are the views you quoted, Joshua? Are they really that widespread? Or are they just the incoherent mumblings of a tiny number of fanatics? Maybe there's no way to guage that (beyond the sales figures of the Left Behind series, which are admittedly high), but if the actual number of true fanatics is small (and that's my instinct here), maybe the best tactic is to just sit back and laugh at the craziness people are capable of.

But hey, I've been wrong many a-time before.

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Hey, I have given prophesy before and I truly beleive that Obama will be the Beast who makes everyone else worship that other funky creature.

Git down, and git funky! And remember, don't scoff: this is someone who's given prophecy before, so we can trust what he/she/it has to say.


But let's not criticize -- these are people we can win over if we show them some respect.

I love this comment, Josh. Says it all, really.


Yes, I believe he will win in 08 and we will be finished by 012. I feel in my soul that he is the AntiChrist. He's too good to believe. Where did he come from? Where did his name come from? What evil forces are behind him?

"012"? And just where did he come from? Spawned in Satan's stewpot, that's where. And the evil minions of darkness obviously made up the name to alert honest god-fearin' Christians that The Antichrist Is Nigh.


If Barack Obama runs and wins in 08' It will truely spell the doom for America as we know it. He truely is evil. We all know this and can feel it in our bones. Shame on Time Magazine and shame on Illinois.

What I can feel in my bones just doesn't bear thinking about.


i wouldnt be suprised if he wins in 2008 and i wouldnt be suprised if he gets killed and comes back to life

Well why not? Extra work for the god-botherers, mind, as they'll have to keep killing him 'til he stays dead.


Lordy lordy, who ARE these people? Have they been abducted and subjected to the alien anal probe one time too many? Do they cluster together, or are they spread out amongst the normal (relatively) human population? It takes a very high quality of pharmaceuticals to get delusions that grand, you know. Where are they getting it?

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That felt so good, Joshua...sorry! One love.

And these people wonder why we make fun of them! Hell, what am I saying...I listened to a rebroadcast of the Annie Pie Coulter/Dobby Dobson this morning wherein they laughed and ridiculed us for believing in evolution/Darwinism/anything not God-made.

Oh, and they quickly disproved evolution right there on the show (actually, Dobbie's son did--he's just so darn smart and masculine) cuz females are more complicated than males, biologically speaking, and given that absolute fact there's just no possible way the two could've evolved together. Just impossible so cue the I Dream Of Jeannie theme music right now.

And we're the dipshits. Right.

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AAA Car Bomb K

SEE??

or, should I say: if you unscramble the letters in his name...

HHMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......................

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every person who rises to such a powerful position is almost certainly evil. AntiChrist? Yes, certainly, at least in a metaphorical sense.

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Another tool. Not as repulsive as mushroom cloud Condi.

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...What does that make shrub and his crew???
:o

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That's absolutely ridiculous - everyone knows Cheney is the Anti-Christ. He's not going to be happy when he hears he has a challenger...

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One of the hardest things to understand about the Progressive movement is its disdain for faith. When are we going to learn that many people of deep faith are caring, committed people just trying to live decent lives? They don't vote with us partially because they know they're regarded as less intelligent or discerning than the ever-wise liberal elites.
It's not a "faith" thing, it's a hate thing -- and those with this "anti-love-your-fellow-man/woman" perspective are trapped in a sad, sad place.

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The Spirit of the Antichrist

by Eileen Fleming
first published August 21, 2006
http://www.opednews.com


The term "antichrist" only appears five times in the Bible, but a cult not based on sound theology has created an urban legend that seeks Armageddon. The term "antichrist" never appears in John's Revelation or Daniel, two disparate works of literature written three centuries apart and under very different circumstances, yet the Left Behinder's weave them together.

The small texts that mention the "antichrist" were written to attack the Gnostic understanding of who Christ was. A Gnostic relies on intuition and not on dogma and doctrine. Gnostic's were most certainly free spirits and most all of the writings we have about Gnostics, have been the attacks upon them. That all changed when the Nag Hamadi Library was translated and published, for what had been deemed heretical by those in power in the fourth century can now be read in most every language.

Biblical scholars today agree that many books of the Bible were written by others in the name of an apostle, for the quickest way to gain credibility is to trade on another's reputation.

We may never know if the author who coined the term "antichrist" was actually the apostle John who wrote I John and 2 John-the only sources where the term appears.

John also say's much more:

"Dear Children,
...as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many have come..."- I John 2:18

"This is how we know who the children of God are not: anyone who does not do right; nor anyone who does not love his brother."-I John 3:10

"If anyone has material possessions and see's his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? ...let us love with actions and in truth."-I John 3:17

"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. There is no fear in love. Perfect love drives out all fear because fear has to do with punishment."

The theology promoted in the "Left Behind" fiction is a theology based on fear and punishment. These misinformed Christian's worship a punitive father as God.
Many do not have eyes to see that nature is God's primary temple, and war the greatest abomination.

During the time when John was writing about the spirit of antichrist, Gnosticism was still in it's evolution and far from the intricately developed system of the second and third centuries when the church and it's institutional hierarchy became firmly established. During the time John was writing against the false teachings, the Gnostics were by and large libertines who denied Christ's humanity. Some said that Christ only appeared to have a body; others said the divine Christ joined the man Jesus at his baptism and left him when he died.

The Gnostics left no testimony in their behalf, so all we have to go on is what was written against them and the texts that survived and are now the Nag Hamadi Library. These texts offer no new information but prove that early Christian's were just as diverse as Christians today.

The Armageddon groupies believe they will be lifted out of the misery of the world, and neglect to reflect upon the antichrist within, which is how centuries of theologians understood the term.

For many, the term anti/against Christ means to be anti/against his teachings. Christ never taught one had to accept him as God, in fact Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-29, and Luke 12:10 are simpatico with heretical Thomas saying 44:

Jesus said: "Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven, whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven."

TBC

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The Holy Spirit, AKA the spirit of God is within all created things.

One should wonder what spirit is driving those that want to bomb another, for just who would Jesus bomb?

Jesus has been hijacked by the right wing fundamentalists and the time has come to set him free. Christ was no Christian, he was a social justice radical revolutionary Palestinian Jewish road warrior who challenged the job security of the temple priests and disturbed the status quo of Rome by teaching such subversive ideas like all people are equal and valuable, to treat people the way one want's to be treated, that one must forgive to be forgiven, one must love their enemies and to always work for peaceful resolutions, even to the point of returning violence with COMPASSION.

Christ dealt compassionatly with sinners and outcasts, but hypocrites received his wrath.
Compassion, which is sorrow for the suffering of others accompanied by the urge to help, is what should define the Christian attitude.

If there is no compassion within a Christian, then it is the spirit of the antichrist that rules.

Learn more:
Wednesday, August 16, 2006
The Cult of the Antichrist
http://www.opednews.com/author/author1112.html

Oct. 25 thru Oct 31, 2006
WAWA blog
will be devoted to explaining in detail the cult of "Christian" Zionism, which exhibits the spirit of the antichrist

public service from the .org
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...the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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You know, I never had a problem with religion until the Radical Right hijacked it. I had been religious myself at one time but chose not to continue. The howling self-righteous mobs that elected Dubya as their channel to Christ make me ill.

They won't stop til they force me to live by their twisted precepts and made legal by this theocracy. Live and let live is a wonderful concept, but anathema to them. They won't be happy til they have complete reproductive control over womens' bodies and send every male 18 and over to fight in this damnable war. All so they can hasten the "rapture".

I loathe this American Taliban and have renounced any type of religion solely due to them.

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Wow! You read comments like these and you begin to wonder about the worms squirming around in the brains of outwardly normal-looking people. So much for an intelligent, informed electorate. (Oh, I know that not everyone is as bad as the examples in the article and a lot of 'em don't vote anyway; but remember: when it comes to fanatics, it only takes about 10% to screw things up for the rest of us....)

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The anti-Christ is the trinity of Cheney, Rove & Bush. How could it be anything else??

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but I'm pretty sure Cheney is the DEVIL!

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Are you kidding me? I am a Christian woman who is surrounded by alot of other Christian people and never once have I heard this. And my church has a membership of about a thousand. Who ARE these crazies??? There are Christ followers and there are fanatics. Always remember that the first one is filled with love and the latter is filled with delusions. If I heard someone saying these things I would recommend them to the nearest mental health facility, truly.

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I was intrigued by this post: intrigued enough to trace back to Unfogged, and, not finding the reference there, continued to work my way back until I reached Christian Forums (by the way, the first plural of forum is forums), where I confess I lost interest in trying to find the Barack Obama as Anti-Christ thingy.

What I did find was pretty interesting itself. No doubt there are some odd bits here and there, maybe a lot of odd bits. But there are also a lot of pretty normal bits, too, including a lively area for Christian Democrats to post their thoughts. Many of them are as angry at Republican chicanery as their secular brothers and sisters are. I don't think any of them are particulary worried that Barack Obama is the anti-christ.

I guess what I'm suggesting is a that little more rigor in research, and a little less assuming that anything with christian in its title has to be entirely stupid and dangerous could let allies against Bush help each other rather than snipe at each other.

Amike

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Perhaps I was a wee bit too harsh, but here's what I would call evidence:
"So I give you, without further comment, some expert opinion on this pressing issue -- a distinguished roundtable, if you will -- from Christian-forums.com (I'm pretty sure the plural of forum is "fora"), via Unfogged:

"expert opinion" (sarcasm?) (snark?)
"distinguished roundtable" whose suggested lack of knowledge of the proper plural for forum I took as a comment on their intelligence.

But what really got my goat was this. The attribute is "via" Unfogged. Well, Unfogged isn't the source. Unfogged links to a two year old post on a blog by "apostropher" (who may in fact be Unfogged blogging under a different name. Either way,the link there doesn't link to christian-forums.com either, but to something called Live-Journal and a post by someone posting under the name Kynn. (August 5, 2004). There, at last, I found a link to a post on Christian-Forums. I also found that registration was required to look at that particular post, and as the post was over two years old, I came to the perhaps unjustified, but reasonably logical conclusion that you had never visited this particular "distinguished roundtable" whose nose you were having so much fun tweaking.

Because I wagered (to myself) that 99.9% of your readers wouldn't bother to hunt up the original, and would come to the conclusion which at least a significant number of commenters came to...that Christian-Forums was some right-wing post-apocalyptic freakshow, I felt I should say something.

If you had investigated Christian Forums yourself, I apologize. If you believe that most of your readers would gather, from the remarks you made, that the people who post there include persons from the left, or that most of the posts there have zilch to do with politics of any sort, then you have a perspective on your readers I'm not quite able to share with you.

Amike

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Excuse me, but as long as George W. Bush lives, there is no possibility that anyone else is the Anti-Christ. What are the A-C's characteristics? Essentially an experienced con artist with no conscience, in other words a psychopath. Tell me with a straight face that this description doesn't fit Dubya like a pair of Lycra shorts.

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