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Dangerous Ignorance

Posted by Melissa McEwan at 6:58 AM on October 17, 2006.


US officials don't know the difference between a Sunni and Shiite

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Jeff Stein makes an alarming revelation in the New York Times: most counterterrorism officials and Congress members to whom he's spoken don't know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite.

For the past several months, I’ve been wrapping up lengthy interviews with Washington counterterrorism officials with a fundamental question: "Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?"

A "gotcha" question? Perhaps. But if knowing your enemy is the most basic rule of war, I don’t think it's out of bounds. And as I quickly explain to my subjects, I'm not looking for theological explanations, just the basics: Who's on what side today, and what does each want?

...But so far, most American officials I've interviewed don’t have a clue. That includes not just intelligence and law enforcement officials, but also members of Congress who have important roles overseeing our spy agencies. How can they do their jobs without knowing the basics?

As Stein correctly notes, it would have been incredible for British counterterrorism officials dealing with Northern Ireland not to know the difference between Catholics and Protestants. And yet one of the fundamental differences driving the civil war in Iraq, and delineating disparate interests between, for example, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda, are not understood by many of our counterterrorism officials -- and members of Congress in key positions relating to intelligence and defense.

Take Representative Terry Everett, a seven-term Alabama Republican who is vice chairman of the House intelligence subcommittee on technical and tactical intelligence.

"Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?" I asked him a few weeks ago.

Mr. Everett responded with a low chuckle. He thought for a moment: "One's in one location, another's in another location. No, to be honest with you, I don't know. I thought it was differences in their religion, different families or something."

To his credit, he asked me to explain the differences. I told him briefly about the schism that developed after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and how Iraq and Iran are majority Shiite nations while the rest of the Muslim world is mostly Sunni. "Now that you’ve explained it to me," he replied, "what occurs to me is that it makes what we're doing over there extremely difficult, not only in Iraq but that whole area."

Gee, ya think?

As Tristero at Hullabaloo notes: "Immediately after the 9/11 attacks, when the sound of the military airplanes patrolling the skies of Manhattan were still traumatizing everyone, I picked up some books on bin Laden, the Middle East, and Islam. I also peppered with questions the few people I knew back then who had some expertise on the subjects. In fact, lots of people I knew were doing the same thing; we were passing around books, articles, and clippings, emailing links to each other. This strikes me as totally unremarkable behavior." It strikes me the same way. And, beyond what one would expect in terms of self-education in such a situation, I'm frankly amazed that there was apparently no instruction provided (no less made compulsory) for officials and members of Congress tasked with making decisions predicated on this very basic knowledge. No one's heard of Power Point in D.C.?

It's astounding. And I daresay it confirms many of the worst fears about Americans that even our leadership seems to be operating from a place of such arrogance that they don't feel obliged to understand the people we fight, nor the people we purport to help.

(Hullabaloo)

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Melissa McEwan writes and edits the blog Shakespeare's Sister.


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Posted by: zipper696 on Oct 17, 2006 7:36 AM   
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Are we really surprised that the law makers in Washington haven't a clue?
Their excuse is always that they have to look at "The Bigger Picture" - in other words "I'm like the President, I don't do detail".
This ignorance is carried over into the realms of intelligence gathering, subsequent to 9/11 the CIA/NSA was scrabbling around for fluent Arabic speakers and readers to translate the tons of Intel they were gathering, ground forces had to share interpreters, most of whom had only college level fluency in Arabic. We went in totally unprepared to communicate because "what we say, goes"

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Is it any real surprise?
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 17, 2006 8:44 AM   
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Just more revelation of how little planning and understanding went into this whole debacle. They tell us over and over that we are fighting a new kind of war, but they don't seem to interested in preparing for or doing anything proceduraly different for this supposedly new kind of war. It is a new kind of war, most likely... a war we will not be able to win... and we have our leaders to thank for all the death and destruction and cost that it will entail.


They didn't plan for this project in any other ways... so why would we think they would plan in this way either? This just shows the religious intollerance, arrogant nationalism, and outright racism of many of our representatives. They don't know anything about Muslims, and they don't believe they need to... no matter what.

They kicked a number of people out of military linguistics programs who were studying Arabic, etc.. for being gay not long after 9-11. That shows you EXACTLY where their priorities lie.

Republicans were once known as "hard headed realists". No longer. They are now moralizing dreamers and arrogant, ignorant fools with fantasies of world hegemony.

W.orthless

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» RE: Is it any real surprise?..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: Is it any real surprise?..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Appalling but not surprising
Posted by: CJC on Oct 17, 2006 9:26 AM   
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The ignorance of even the most basic information about Islam
at high levels of our government is appalling but not surprising.
It wouldn't necessarily even be better under Democrats,
although we could expect the President and the Cabinet
to be informed.

Why doesn't some knowledgeable scholar of the Middle East -
Juan Cole, for example - write up a very brief, like 2 pages,
summary of important facts eg the difference between Sunnis
and Shiites and where they live, the languages spoken in
different countries etc. Of course, this kind of information is
widely available elsewhere but I guess Senators and Congressmen
and women are too busy making political
decisions to take the time to acquire simple information.

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» RE: Appalling but not surprising..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
WE ALREADY GOT EXPLAINED TO ENUF!
Posted by: chanceny on Oct 17, 2006 11:54 AM   
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What's to know? Our fearless boy-king wannabe has already instructed his pathetically uninformed psychotic necon warmongering chickenhawk enablers that there's GOOD and there's EVIL. Why bother to differentiate between sects that merely represent a coupla billion souls? We be the man. Our way or the highway (if we didn't already blow it up). We got god - they got satan. We are the champions. Ignorance is bliss cause, in this case, a little knowledge could be terrifying enough to take the option of war completely off the table forever! That would be totally unacceptable to the ivy league educated morons in power who seemingly were taught more about empire-envy than historic truth. They are the face of the 'ugly American' that we show to the world and, as long as they represent us as our leaders endowed with legitimate power, we will suffer with that image and all it implies.

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These guys have been asleep since at least 1979
Posted by: lessbread on Oct 17, 2006 2:00 PM   
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...

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Ignorance is Bliss
Posted by: kenn on Oct 17, 2006 5:34 PM   
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...and a lot less time consuming when you have lots of machines that go bang!

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Yikes, what about net neutrality?
Posted by: mom'z the word on Oct 18, 2006 12:21 AM   
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Sunni Muslims are the largest denomination of Islam. They are referred to as Ahl ul-Sunna (Arabic: أهل السنة), the folks of the tradition. The word Sunni comes from the word sunna (Arabic : سنة ), which means the tradition of the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad. Sunnis are also referred to as Ahl ul-Sunna wa-l-Jama'ah (Arabic: أهل السنة والجماعة) (people of tradition and congregation) which implies that the Sunnis are united.

Sunni (Arabic: سني ) means follower of the sunna of the Prophet, with some details.

Shi'a Islam, also Shi'ite Islam, Shiite or Shi'ism (Arabic: شيعة‎ ​, translit: Shī‘ah) is the second largest denomination of the religion based on Islam. Shi'a Muslims adhere to what they consider to be the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and the religious guidance of his family whom they refer to as the Ahlul Bayt. Thus, Shi'as consider the first three ruling Sunni caliphs a historic occurrence and not something attached to faith. The singular/adjective form is Shī’ī (شيعي.) and refers to a follower of the Household of Muhammad and of Ali ibn Abi Talib (Imam Ali) in particular.

Shi'a has at times been divided into many branches but today there are just four branches. The best known and the one with most adherents is Twelvers, the others being Ismaili, Alawi and Zaidiyyah. Source Wikipedia

Now every person out there is smarter than your average representative. The scary thing is these same people are going to vote on net neutrality. Do you trust them to do the right thing? Ya right!

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Dangerous ignorance
Posted by: willymack on Oct 18, 2006 11:18 AM   
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Would you give a straight razor to a chimpanzee and tell him to shave you?

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jerry the tuetonic jerman
Posted by: xtiml on Oct 18, 2006 2:58 PM   
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shiites follow the fatima line and dunnis go with the sucessor to mahamet after he died.
shiites are more fundamental and sunnis laize faire. and they think we ae dumb these congressional senatorial ifiots.

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