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Bush: Iraqis willing to "tolerate" violence [VIDEO]

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 9:42 AM on October 11, 2006.


Bush doesn't find report that over half million Iraqis are dead 'credible'...
Iraqis tolerate violence

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From Amanda Terkel at ThinkProgress, comes the transcript of Bush's press conference that ended moments ago (clip right):

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN: Thank you, Mr. President. Back on Iraq, a group of American and Iraqi health officials today released a report saying that 655,000 Iraqis have died since the Iraq war. That figure is 20 times the figure that you cited in December at 30,000. Do you care to amend or update your figure and do you consider this a credible report?

PRESIDENT BUSH: No, I don’t control it a credible report, neither does General Casey and neither do Iraqi officials. I do know that a lot of innocent people have died and it troubles me and grieves me. And I applaud the Iraqis for their courage in the face of violence. I am, you know, amazed that this is a society which so wants to be free that they’re willing to — you know, that there’s a level of violence that they tolerate.

Well, one of the researcher's associated with the study, MIT's John Tirman, wrote an impassioned defense of the study's findings here on AlterNet, noting that "those who publicly dismiss the findings must offer an alternative."

And considering the fact that this particular dismissal comes from the Commander-in-Chief of a military that doesn't do body counts, well, you do the math.

As for the Iraqi officials and the ability of the Iraqis to "tolerate" the violence; in a feature story earlier this week, our very own Josh Holland wrote (emphases mine):

One of the biggest problems in Iraq is that its fledgling government has little legitimacy, and a large part of that problem comes from a widespread perception that it remains subservient to U.S. commanders. According to a recent poll by the Project on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA), Iraqis, by a 5 to 2 margin, thought that a U.S. commitment to withdraw would "strengthen the Iraqi government." Three out of four believe an American withdrawal would make the various factions in Iraq's parliament more willing to cooperate with one another.

Eight out of ten Iraqis believe the U.S. military presence is "provoking more conflict than it is preventing," and they're in the position to know best. Just 14 percent said the U.S. forces were having "a positive influence on the situation in Iraq."

Of course it has nothing to do with "tolerance," as the Iraqi people had nothing do with the invasion. Had they asked for an invasion and were they to support our continued presence, sure, that'd make the president a credible speaker. As for the Lancet study: whatever problems the president and others have with it, the fact remains: when you don't do body counts, you leave it to others to do them....

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Evan Derkacz is an AlterNet editor. He writes and edits PEEK, the blog of blogs.


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Posted by: mikmojo06 on Oct 11, 2006 10:20 AM   
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On Iraqi deaths Bush defines credibility as Gen. Casey, and some Iraqis, Chalibi and Curveball perhaps.
But the best source is Bush himself, he knows how many people he has killed. The report is way short.

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he meant to say...
Posted by: brasilaron on Oct 11, 2006 11:18 AM   
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...this level of violence that we unleashed upon them. Minor mistake, we ought to just give the benefit of the doubt to the president. I mean, he wasn't wrong about Iraq having WMDs or connections to Al-qaeda or being greeted with flowers and candy or having a nukyular weapons program or any of that stuff, i mean, was he?
Apparently, the worrying and greiving that this causes the president is that not ENOUGH innocent Iraqis are dying from his crusade upon their country. Oops, did i say crusade? I meant ransacking, D'OH! i meant unprovoked war.

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The Decider
Posted by: TennMom on Oct 11, 2006 12:05 PM   
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Hey folks, don't forget that Bush has proclaimed himself "the decider." We are only to accept what he decides is true, facts be damned. He has decided that global warming does not exist and that the democrats are responsible for everything from Foley's emails to North Korea's nuke tests. He has decided that the war is going well and that the Iraqis welcome our occupation of their country. He has decided that the big issues in the upcoming election are homeland security and the economy. He has decided that his factually unsupported figures concerning Iraqi deaths is the truth.

With the help of Congress, he has also decided that the Constitution is just a "damn piece of paper" therefore, anyone who disagrees with "the decider" could face serious consequences. "Dissenters are traitors and must be punished". so sayeth "the decider."

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» RE: The Decider Posted by: paschn
In Over His Head
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Oct 11, 2006 1:26 PM   
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Hey now - give a poor ex-cheerleader and wannabe 'Christian' Nazi who's clearly in over his head a break. Obviously he counted for himself during one of his several night flights in and out of the Baghdad airport...

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I know he's just a figurehead,
Posted by: harris on Oct 11, 2006 2:11 PM   
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but the fact that this stuttering imbecile, silver spoon fake-o represents our country to the world is a sad commentary on what America has become.

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What's wrong with this man?!
Posted by: Arealmusician on Oct 11, 2006 2:14 PM   
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I don't want to put serious discussion to the side, but this too is very serious!
Mr. Bush seriously fumbled his words to Suzanne in the most funny way as he was trying to make small talk before her question was asked.
Did any one notice? I listened to it over and over again. I laughed with tears.
The president IS an evil idiot and apathetic man.
How can those reporters take him serioulsy. If I were ever to be in his presense, I would walk right up to him and say, "hey!" then grab his ear and really twist it really hard and ask him, "what the f**** ARE you trying to do? You think you're real powerful huh? You think you will be the victor over a desolate world filled with a bunch of brainwashed slaves? Yea, mr. idiot president. that sounds like a really good plan. How proud you will stand when the earth is destroyed with her humans that only consume. Will you actually say, YES! This I am ruling over....NOTHING!
is it possible for people with intelligence to "tolerate" the violence of this man's ignorance and evil ways?

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Yeah
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Oct 11, 2006 2:20 PM   
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Yeah... he doesn't buy it.

Just like he didn't buy it when people told him there were no WMD in Iraq and that the levies might fail.

W. orthless

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Statistically sound methodology
Posted by: brad on Oct 11, 2006 2:22 PM   
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Funny how all of the press are talking to "experts" about this report and discrediting it. As a Phd student with many advanced statistical and research classes under my belt, I can say that the methodology of the study is completely sound. The methods used are the same as are used in most major epidemiology studies. But of course facts don't matter, he's the decider.

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Another Daily Outrage
Posted by: fespada on Oct 11, 2006 2:22 PM   
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Another Daily Outrage. This man has no sense of what morality is all about. I would give my last dollar to see this excuse for a leader walk the streets of Baghdad thanking the brave, democracy-hungry populace for being so tolerant of the vicious killing taking place daily. Listening to him is bad enough, but to see his twists and turns make me want to puke.

Frank Espada

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STATE OF DENIAL
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 11, 2006 2:24 PM   
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Nothing else can explain why Bush shows no signs of seeing things as they really are. He's able to rationalize death and and misery as things Iraqis will tolerate so they can be free. He insists that this is the way it is. Is that why they leave in droves if they're able ? Who does he think is killing our soldiers ? Of course I don't know how our president defines freedom. In my mind it doesn't involve shooting and blowing everything up. What do I know. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: STATE OF DENIAL Posted by: willymack
Well, they're NOT "tolerating it"
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Oct 12, 2006 5:48 AM   
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They're taking revenge on American troops whenever they can.

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Bush and credible? ha!
Posted by: hangman on Oct 12, 2006 10:13 AM   
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Bush is a global joke.
Hell, Bush has the worst repuation in the world. Bush and the word credible in the same sentence? ha, thats impossible.
Bush has already lost this war , but he is more like in denial about it and any of the hundreds of thousands of innocent souls he is now responsible for that have been killed, because of the his so-called credible decision to invade.
He is the leader who misleads and kills for his so-called credible war.

unless Bush writes the report , it ain't ever going to be called credible by him. he is God ya know?! in his own mind of course. he is on a crusade.

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wisegalah in sydney
Posted by: wisegalah on Oct 12, 2006 5:07 PM   
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Mr Bush.
So you have asked individual Iraqis about their tolerance of violence? Have you considered that they have little choice in what you have inflicted upon them? Didn't think so.

What is more mystifying to all non-Americans is the tolerance which the American people have for the putrefaction of their political life. Both major parties are corrupt beyond redemption. They are both rotting corpses which can only produce maggots like you, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

I am an admirer of many things American but stand astonished that your system has thrown up (vomited up) you as its chief executive. I am sure that if they were to chose someone randomly from any street anywhere on the planet they could not have done worse.

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Beyond Impeachment
Posted by: paschn on Oct 12, 2006 6:34 PM   
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Bush, Cheney, Rice and all those key in convincing the American Sheeple to allow him to commit his acts of evil should not get off with simply impeachment, you drones must understand that to the Devil incarnate and his minions, impeachment is NOTHING!
You need to seize ALL their assets,....hand them over to the WORLD court, to insure they can't buy their way off, Then either imprison or execute them as the world court sees fit.
Too many times in the past you clowns have allowed the evil and wicked who would steal your country and freedom to get off with simply being impeached. Can't you understand that their fortunes have been made and/or increased with your blood??
Impeachment is NOTHING to them. What the hell do they care what history has to say about them? They'll just re-write it just as they have with Reagan,...Prescott Bush,...Oliver North,...the list can go on forever. Any justice you may want must be meted out through the legal system NOW.
A nation of sheep, led by a cartel of whores, controlled by big business. Welcome,...to the REAL Evil Empire.

P.S.

If I disappear shortly, please send all correspondence to a P.O. box at a Haliburton "detention center" coming to a rural area near you.

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Unjust wars are hard to win
Posted by: dajson on Oct 13, 2006 3:49 PM   
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We have to repent of this war-crime. This war was wrong from the start, and the mismanagement has piled up so high that "winning" is becomeing impossible. If we would have said no to no-bid contracts for scoundrels, then we could have worked with the Iraqi's, which would have kept them employed and occupied with more then just insurgency jobs. Iraq would have been re-built in 6 months. Now its just a case study in how to loose a war, and the righteousness of our enemy (who before was the friend we intended to liberate), makes our enemy stronger. The insugency will be coming for our throat by next year. Then it will be Vietnam all over again, because America had to learn again that you can't win an unjust war.

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