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Evangelical minister's letter to Dobson:

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 8:17 PM on October 10, 2006.


'I'm afraid you may not be very evangelical anymore'
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Evangelical Christian and ordained minister Jeff Carr penned an open letter to James Dobson, calling him out on his response to the James Foley scandal.

Thank God.

It hasn't gone unnoticed that conservative Christian leaders have been engaging in political pilates (pontius pilates?) to simultaneously appear outraged and to assure congregants that voting is important and that this IS NOT A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Robertson's version is HERE, Tony Perkins' is HERE and Dobson's is HERE.

After praising Dobson as a leader he once respected, Carr's letter reads:

But somewhere along the way, I fear you have lost your way. Your message of hope has turned into a message of...

partisan politics. Instead of words of encouragement, your words seem to continually blame someone else for the problems of the world.

...While thankfully you did condemn the acts of Rep. Foley, you spent the majority of your time attacking "the liberal media," the Democratic party, and gay people, who according to your thinking are the real problem in America.

Unfortunately, I don't think your statement rings true for millions of evangelical Christians, who believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus and the plenary inspiration of the Holy Scriptures ... inerrantly revealing the will of God concerning us in all things necessary to our salvation (Church of the Nazarene Manual). Your statement comes across as the same kind of partisan rhetoric that you claim to be fighting. More hubris than humility. More politics than principle.

...

I'm not just disappointed in the way you responded to the Foley scandal this past week. For if the definition of evangelical is "good news," I'm afraid you may not be very evangelical anymore for the vast majority of people in this country.

Sincerely,

Rev. Jeff Carr
Ordained Minister, Church of the Nazarene

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Fucking hilarious!!!
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Posted by: Robba29 on Oct 10, 2006 3:25 PM   
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Pontius Pilates!!!! I love it. Sorry, couldn't stop laughing after that.

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Beginning to get the point
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Posted by: fatherbernie on Oct 10, 2006 8:02 PM   
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Jeff Carr hits at the hypocrisy of one aspect of the fundamentalist position. It ignores the real evangelical position which is the bringing about of God's kingdom on earth. No, not the revelation's judgement or the rapture ( fictions of calvinist depravity, on the comeback, (did it ever leave?), they say in Christianity Today) but the kingdom come, God's will be done on earth... just as Jesus spoke in the Lord's prayer with the Beatitudes as a guide. God is love and the consequences and requirements for us are that simple. We must never give in to this pagan thought that has besmirched the very meaning of our Creator. Christians are called to take back Jesus from these idolators.

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» Whutwhutwhut? Posted by: HeroesAll
» Speaking of "Minutia"... Posted by: ~Fiona~
» RE: Whutwhutwhut? Posted by: abqjudy@gmail.com
Rep. Foley and gay marriage
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Posted by: kirkmuse on Oct 11, 2006 3:30 AM   
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I have sent the following letter to many Right Wing churches.
I suggest other write a similar letter or post a flyer on the cars, trucks and SUV's in the parking lot of these churches.

To the Editor of The Baptist Press:

For those who are offended by the idea of "Gay Marriage", I
strongly suggest that they not read the recently published
book: "THE ARCHITECT: Karl Rove and The Master Plan For
Absolute Power" by James Moore and Wayne Slater (the same
authors who wrote the best selling book: "BUSH'S BRAIN").

Bush's supporters will not want to read that his closest political
advisor and personal friend, Karl Rove, had a very close personal relationship with his openly homosexual Stepfather.

And Bush's supporters will not want to read that Rove is an avowed agnostic and that both Bush and Rove refer to those on the Christian Right as wackos. "Bring out the wackos" is the common term Bush, Rove and Jack Abramoff used to gather votes and support from the Christian Right for their causes.

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it's all about the power
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Posted by: kww355 on Oct 11, 2006 4:25 AM   
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Evangelicals have "sold out" just as surely as the politicos who sell their votes to the highest bidding lobbyist. I saw an interview with a Tennessee preacher who said he was going to "hold his nose and vote Republican".

Another shining example of "What Would Jesus Do ?" Or maybe "What Would Jesus Jumpers Do ?"

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add hypocrisy to their sin list
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Posted by: cold2touch on Oct 11, 2006 5:48 AM   
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Sane people should not waste time on these discussions but given the prevalence of religious insanity in USA it is unavoidable at times.
Religion is like clothes for spirituality. The problem is going for centuries without a change of clothes, eons of rolling in the mud of greed, ignorance and iniquity made them overloaded with filth that obscures and stifles the original, essential message.
I have no idea whether Jesus existed (just don't call me Jesus denier). However, from what I gather, he went fearlessly naked in his spirituality and that made him so dangerous to assorted Dobsons, Pharisees and Romans, so that they had to get rid of him with extreme prejudice.
In other words, it was same then as it is now (were Pharisees equivalent to GOP? And Samaritans to Dems? And Mark Foley the duly elected representative for Gommorah).
The hypocrites will wallow in moral filth and the pigs will roll in shit because the evolution built them that way, whether the good folks of Kansas accept it or not.

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» :o Question... Posted by: ~Fiona~
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WTF
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Posted by: edraven on Oct 11, 2006 7:05 AM   
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I'm so sick of these delusional liars. This is not a religious issue. It is not a moral issue. Foley broke the LAW. Some Republicans and Democrats ignored his problem. I wouldn't care is they dumped the whole bunch of congressmen who try to link this to the election. How can anyone look at the USA and say we are on the right course? "Stay The Course," what bullshit. Ed Graham (Where's Bobby Kennedy when you need him? OH, that's right, they killed him.)

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Gently Rebuking the not-as-nice-as-they-should be ...
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Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Oct 11, 2006 7:25 AM   
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Whoop-DE-do!

We're going to see a lot of this tsk tsking going on in the aftermath of the Foley Scandal.

I don't know if the message is providing cover for Good Republicans who didn't (so far as we know) take part in the Foley cover up ...

Or, if it's in support of providing cover for the Good Dominionist Evangelical Pentacostal Political Movment.

As opposed to the 'bad' ... well, the 'not exactly good' wings of the same parties.

I don't notice an actually CALL for the Faithful to stop sending their Love Offerings. I don't notice a 'register, vote, change' agenda.

But when push comes to shove, Political Christain rebukes to evil done by Political Christians is almost always weak, private, and pro-forma. Would it be TOO rude and grudge-holding to note the behavior the White Evangelical Pentacostal and Baptist churches during the Civil Rights Movement? The behavior of the Catholic Centrist Party in Germany in 1933 ? (They joined the Nazi coalition, 'in order to be a moderating voice.' )

The best ... the very best we can hope for in Novemember is that the Megachurches and the Independent Ministries "Base" will be somewhat less enthusiastic for voting for wolves in sheep's clothing than they have been during the past 12 years.

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Not Surprising!
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Posted by: Dak on Oct 11, 2006 8:44 AM   
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As a American Baptist minister, I have long ago stopped believing in the mainline denominations' stance on anything.
I will not, however, give up on the power, love, judgement, mercy, and grace of Jesus Christ!
Don't worry, Believers and non-Believers...God simply waits; the end times may come November 7! (No, that's NOT what I meant!) ;-)
George M Melby, Pastor

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WingNuts Don't Speak For Me
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 11, 2006 9:55 AM   
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The totality of policies pursued by the NeoCons is the complete opposite of the foundational teachings of Jesus Christ, who they claim to follow.

Jesus taught that followers were to look after the poor, needy, hungry, imprisoned, downtrodden, etc. The NeoCons look after their own and have cut the needy loose. Trickle Down is not a Christian concept.

Jesus taught that grace, mercy & love for others was the hallmark of a true follower. Where is the grace among the NeoCons?

Jesus taught stewardship, otherwise taking care of what you had been entrusted with. The dismantling of environmental laws, rules and enforcement of the NeoCons is the antithesis of this concept.

The list is long, but you get the idea.

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» RE: Don't take it too personally Sweetie... Posted by: abqjudy@gmail.com
Baptists
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Posted by: Malamute on Oct 11, 2006 10:24 AM   
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A bumper sticker here in the North Country:

THE TROUBLE WITH BAPTISTS IS, THEY DON'T HOLD THEM UNDER LONG ENOUGH.

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Forget Dimwit Dobson. Write to the biggest hypocrite of all: Born-again Bush
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Posted by: DougScott on Oct 11, 2006 12:23 PM   
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For the truth about George W.'s so-called Christianity, visit one of the best progressive websites on the Internet -- www.King-George.biz -- and read a scathing investigative report titled, "Shrub the Charlatan: The Devil Made Him Do It!"

You will also be treated to 70 Bushwhacking cartoons and other illustrations.

Try to keep smiling everyone, "Doug" -- Vietnam veteran, lifelong registered Republican, staunch Goldwater conservative and RABID neocon-hater.

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Now is the time...
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Posted by: mapthinking on Oct 12, 2006 4:11 PM   
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Those of us evangelicals who really understand that politics will not save us have known that the Republican party is just using us to remain in power.

Our current administration shows their true colors with the IRS attack on a church in Pasadena CA who had a visiting Preacher present a Sermon agains the war (A Moral Issue). That is the very same centure that many cuhrches are concerned about if the democrats win and a pator wants to preach on Abortion and Gay Rights (to name two volitle examples of Moral issues).

Last election I convenced myself that Bush would do less to damage this country than Kerry would. I know that is no longer the case. If I was presented with a selection candidates (democrat or Independent) who didn't directly OPPOSE A HANDFUL OF CRITICAL VALUES I would easily vote against the Republicans in this election.

I do know that in exchange for this vote I would also hopefully see the restoration of programs that the poor depend on to help find their way out of poverty. We also need a counterbalance to the corporate Oligopily that runs this country with it's dollars. Yet I am concerned as the christian community has had to sink Millions of dollars to defend basic Free speech rights.

But I am preparing to hold my nose as well and vote Democrat...

Will anyone assure me of this decision?

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Sheesh!
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Posted by: Jammer2 on Oct 12, 2006 6:14 PM   
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I moved to Texas in the late 60's and have been totally amazed at the stupidity of the average voter here. These hand waving, bible thumping freaks dominate the political agenda here with a doctrine that is not a religion at all. It is amazing how much power that these mental midgets wield at the polls with their "Hell fire and Brimstone", all done while having illicit sex with their friends wives and/or children, and stealing money from anyone whom they can. The organized religious right in Texas is Satan's personal chaos agent for the Southwest United States.

Last week, I had a local minister inform me that his church has identified the Anti-Christ and that the End of Days is here. I tried to point out to him that we already knew that G.W. Bush was here because we had to tolerate him as a governor, but he was too busy to stay and argue because he had to meet his girlfriend before her husband got back into town. God must love these hypocrits for them to still occupy space on this planet is mind-boggling!

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Mark Foley, not James Foley
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Posted by: Maezeppa on Nov 10, 2006 9:37 AM   
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You need to correct the text of the article to read Mark Foley, not James Foley.

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