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North Korea gets nuclear

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 9:18 AM on October 9, 2006.


Yet another Bush failure... 'Why should I care about North Korea?'

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You know by now that North Korea has most likely detonated a nuclear bomb. Two quick points before another sad Bush transcript:

Not to downplay the significance of a catastrophic weapon in the hands of a deluded asshat like Kim Jong-Il, but it's not a deliverable weapon, but a first step toward one: "according to Joseph Cirincione at the Center for American Progress, a Washington DC-based think tank. 'It can’t be put on a missile and is probably too big for a plane,' Cirincione told the BBC."

Second point. You know the drill. Focusing on Iraq, which had no weapons, or operational weapons program, Bush allowed North Korea to develop these nukes. And they did so with the help of Bush's ally, Pakistan. Via former 60 Minutes producer, Barry Lando:

That tunnel vision persisted even after June 2002, when, according to Seymour Hersh, the CIA revealed to President Bush and his key advisors that, since 1997, Pakistan had been "sharing sophisticated technology, warhead design information, and weapons-testing data with North Korea, including how to conceal their nuclear research from the U.S. and South Korea." The Bush administration sat on the CIA report; the White House didn’t want to divert the focus from Saddam Hussein, and Pakistan had become a vital ally in President Bush’s war on terrorism.
Even more damning to the man and the party whose supposed strength is national security, it looks like Bush didn't even attempt to make a nuclear program a no go. Via the WaPo:
Unlike the Clinton administration -- which suggested to North Korea that it would attack if Pyongyang moved to reprocess the plutonium -- the Bush administration never set out "red lines" that North Korea must not cross. Bush administration officials argued that doing so would only tempt North Korea to cross those lines.
And now this remarkable conversation on N. Korea from Woodward's State of Denial, via RoxPopuli:

George W. pulled Bandar aside.
"Bandar, I guess you're the best asshole who knows about the world. Explain to me one thing."
"Governor, what is it?"
"Why should I care about North Korea?"
Bandar said he didn't really know. It was one of the few countries that he did not work on for King Fahd.
"I get these briefings on all parts of the world," Bush said, "and everybody is talking to me about North Korea."
"I'll tell you what, Governor," Bandar said. "One reason should make you care about North Korea."
"All right, smart alek," Bush said, "tell me."

"The 38,000 American troops right on the border." ..."If nothing else counts, this counts. One shot across the border and you lose half these people immediately. You lose 15,000 Americans in a chemical or biological or even regular attack. The United State of America is at war instantly."
"Hmmm," Bush said. "I wish those assholes would put things just point-blank to me. I get half a book telling me about the history of North Korea."
"Now I tell you another answer to that. You don't want to care about North Korea anymore?" Bandar asked. The Saudis wanted America to focus on the Middle East and not get drawn into a conflict in East Asia.
"I didn't say that," Bush replied.
"But if you don't, you withdrawl those troops back. Then it becomes a local conflict. Then you have the whole time to decide, 'Should I get involved? Not involved?' Etc."
At that moment, Colin Powell approached.
"Colin," Bush said, "come here. Bandar and I were shooting the bull, just two fighter pilots shooting the bull." He didn't mention the topic.
"Mr. Governor," Bandar said, "General Powell is almost a fighter pilot. He can shoot the bull almost as good as us."

(BarryLando, RoxPopuli)

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Evan Derkacz is an AlterNet editor. He writes and edits PEEK, the blog of blogs.


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Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Oct 9, 2006 9:26 AM   
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If Bush is so stupid doesn't know, how do you explain it to him?Besides North Korea is doing just what Bush hoped they would do when he made the infamous axis of evil speech. Bush did everything he could to push North Korea into accelerating their nukes program to give him an excuse to reserrect Ronnie's pie in the sky Star Wars as payment to Grumman for paying his way to the White House

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» Well after all... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
fespada
Posted by: fespada on Oct 9, 2006 9:28 AM   
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I will not read Woodward's book, for I want to be able to sleep at night. This passage, which has a terrible smell (like a lunatic pressing the nuclear button), makes it very clear that the foul-mouthed Decider could very well start a nuclear holocaust.
It seems that every day brings another outrage which tops the previous one. Look for an October surprise which will take the heat off the Republicans just before the elections.
The Asshole is itching for another war.

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President Idjit
Posted by: nherkowitz on Oct 9, 2006 9:51 AM   
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Now, North Korea. . . . is that the one on the top or the one on the bottom?

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» RE: President Idjit Posted by: tap17x
No Leadership & Out of Options
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 9, 2006 10:15 AM   
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BushCo has removed most of our troops out of Korea & the remainder are in the process of relocating their bases, re-equipping after deployment to SW Asia, etc.- otherwise not enough and not ready for anything. The majority of the rest of our forces are tied up elsewhere.

We now have no credible deterrent and N Korea know it. Thanks Condi, Cheney, Rummy & Dubya. Another SNAFU courtesy of the NeoCons.

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Typical Dumya
Posted by: custersbud on Oct 9, 2006 10:22 AM   
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This is just one more example of how the stupid fuck in the White House has bull shitted the American people into believing he's serious about national security.

America's Bloviator-In-Chief, his mentor No-Neck Cheney, and the rest of their draft-dodging cowardly neo-con asshole cohorts are all full of tough until someone actually calls them on their endless stream of lies, then they're suddenly "unconcerned".

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Bush's October surprise
Posted by: bettyn on Oct 9, 2006 10:25 AM   
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Has just arrived. Gift-wrapped by Kim Jong Il. Look for the neocons to do something REALLY STUPID in the next two weeks.

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Why is anyone surprised
Posted by: james2021 on Oct 9, 2006 10:59 AM   
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There is no OIL in North Korea, so why should Bush and Co. be interested in North Korea. OIL is in Iraq, Iran and the Persian Gulf. That is where the most money is to be made for Halliburton, and all the other Bush favovored companies.

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Good! Another slap in the face for Amerikkka!
Posted by: hot_rad_man on Oct 9, 2006 11:55 AM   
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North Korea another country that beat us in a war rules again! They won't take shit from Bush and that is so cool. Here is one more country Bush cannot bring under the cloak of phony democracy and the world government he so wants.

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Non Deliverable?
Posted by: Gaubladt on Oct 9, 2006 4:15 PM   
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1) North Korea has in the past said that if the U.S. invaded, they would reap devastation upon us the likes of which we have never known.
2) after 911 only 3 percent of shipping containers in ports were even checked. Not much has changed in that regard since.
3) If you were Kim Jong Ill, and getting ready to detonate a nuke, you would be prepared.
With that said, I don't think the chickenhawks are going to do much. Maby, invade Venezuela.

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» That would be par for the course. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
President DUH!b-ya.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Oct 9, 2006 4:49 PM   
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When it comes to our "president," it is a matter of:

"Why should I care about_______?"

And fill in the blank.

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Suitcase Nuke?
Posted by: edoktor on Oct 12, 2006 2:11 PM   
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What if the N. Korean bomb was a suitcase nuclear device? The limited yield would be comprehensible. If N. Korean wants to explort nuclear technology, it doesn't need to detonate a multi-megaton bomb. Indeed, terrorists would be far more interested in a weapon that was portable and could be easily concealed even if the yield was limited. A controlled nuclear explosion of any size, but perhaps especially a small one, would destablize the world.

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