of Elizabeth Hasselbeck getting into it with Rosie? I can't stand that little spoiled, overprivileged, self-centered twit. She actually once equated Plan B with leaving your baby out on the street to die of exposure. What a waste of carbon she is.

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It is wonderfully refreshing to hear that Rosie O'Donnell would say what she said. I think it reflects the thinking of most Americans. She better watch out though. ABC produces "The View" and supports the subversive propaganda of the current Administration in Washington D.C. and may move to squelch her.

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"And I would say the outcome, really, of America really depends on the battle in the streets of New Orleans, that that city is still decimated and $303 billion have been spent fighting this war. If, literally, a third of that money was put into Katrina and facilitated with honest people who knew how to do it, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in."

Couldn't agree more.

O'Donnell notes that radical Christianity is as threatening as radical Islam

Yawn. My great fear of being "witnessed to" right up until I close my door doesn't compare the reservations I have regarding significant numbers of people who take to heart the global death edicts of Gangsters-Turned-Religious-Grand-Poobahs (the real title rhymes with Psycho-Tollah) that issue global death edicts (backed by state-sponsored rewards) against people who exercise their right to free speech. Of course, I'm referring to Rushdie and the Cartoon Jihad, among other instances.

Committing our military personnel and resources to adventurism and "nation building" doesn't help me feel any more secure, just (as O'Donnel correctly states) more broke at tax time, having spent money--and more importantly, the lives of our people, not to mention the lives of other peoples--to a cause that, quite frankly, sucks.

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God Bless Rosie.
The religious right IS the greatest threat to our, American, freedom, liberty and democracy that we have faced since the defeats of Hitler and Stalin.
Take a look around at what is said and what is done and it is obvious that the reliious right is using the system to gain complete control of the system with NO room for dissent.
Perhaps Rosie's comments will make more traditional Christians wake up and think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Are we already forgetting about the bombing of the Atlanta Olympics? The Oklahoma City bombing, done in retaliation for the raid on a religious cult? The anti-abortion sniper who killed the doctor in New York?

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OK. So apparently Muslim terrorists, who took out four planes and some 2,900-plus people, blow up subways and trains, blow up themselves, blow up cars, and saw off the heads of civilians don't hold a candle to Christians?

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Radical Christians? Wanting the end of the world and working to accomplish that is radical. In my opinion that is about as radical as it gets.

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Designated Funds; Vapor Money? Confederate Money!

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I do believe it was a radical Christian who proposed killing Hugo Chavez.
That is TERRORISM!

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Rosie should have mentioned that pretty much all the terrorist attacks w/in our borders (besides 9/11 and the jury's still out on that in my humble opinion) have been committed by white fundy Christians. Tim McVeigh and that Rudolph guy who blew up abortion clinics come to mind, and that's just off the top of my head.

The majority of hate groups are all self-proclaimed "Christians" including the KKK. They have a whole bloody history of terrorism, murder and racism. If that's not dangerous, I don't know what is.

If we were in a civil war, there would definitely be murders at the hands of these people. If they could get away with it, they would, in other words. They got away with it plenty until LBJ put a stop to it back in the 60's.

Rudolph belonged to a group which calls itself "Christian Identity." They find it perfectly fine to kill folks who are pro-choice.

Rosie is right.

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ARE a threat - a real threat. As someone who goes to work every day in a women's health center that provides heatlh care (including abortion care) to our low income community with the real threat of a RADICAL CHRISTIAN (last time I checked, of the myriad incidents of physicians, nurses, and other staff of health clinics that have been VIOLENTLY attacked, maimed and killed every single incident has been executed (pardon the pun) by a RADICAL CHRISTIAN. Last time I checked, of the myriad incidents of clinics being bombed, burnt to the ground, or vandalized, every single incident has been executed by a RADICAL CHRISTIAN in the name of Christianity.

Now you can believe that in those cases those folks weren't "really Christian." And I would agree with you. But the truth is that the perpetrators of those terrorist acts espoused their own brand of radical Christianity just as the terrorists who perpetrate their terrorist acts name Islam as their reason for being (and doing).

It is so annoyingly easy to pull the wool over American's eyes. You replay a story over and over and over again. You feature dark-skinned Muslims terrorizing parts of the world and bam! The Americans say the biggest threat to our lives is radical Islam. The truth is the biggest threat to our lives is ANY religion that is ultimately okay with using coercion, war and other violent means to get what they want. That includes, as Evan stated, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It may include Hinduism and Sikhism. The only religion I know of that is consistently and actively for peaceful means all of the time is Buddhism.

So, yes, I say without compunction that radical Christianity has been the cause of violence, death and destruction in our country and around the world just as extremist Muslims have been.

Domestic terrorism in the name of radical Christianity has been a staple in our lives in this country for many years from the Oklahoma city bombings (as a commentor previously stated), the Olympic bombing and the ongoing abortion clinic bombings and shooting deaths of so many doctors and nurses and staff who work at abortion clinics.

If you are that easy to propagandize to, you might consider turning a blind eye to all news outlets. Maybe you'll see things more clearly after that.

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Fantastic comments WonderWoman. I especially appreciate this one: “It is so annoyingly easy to pull the wool over American's eyes.” Most Americans do not know much if anything about the religion of Islam. I have no Idea if you do, WonderWoman, but you sure have observed human nature. That is what it takes to keep an open mind and not prejudge a group or a religion based on individuals’ acts.

Another great WonderWoman observation: “Now you can believe that in those cases {of perpetrating violence} those folks weren't ‘really Christian’ and I would agree with you. But the truth is that the perpetrators of those terrorist acts espoused their own brand of radical Christianity just as the terrorists who perpetrate their terrorist acts name Islam as their reason for being and doing. “

For anyone who might be interested, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) has an online Site with a great deal of information on Muslim Americans goals and activities for peace and justice and mutual understanding. Here is one statement copied from their Site. "al-Qaida does not speak for Islam or for the vast majority of Muslims worldwide who want to live in peace with their neighbors, practice their faith in freedom and raise their children in societies based on justice and mutual respect," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. "For the last five years, al-Qaida has offered nothing but a future filled with endless violence and division."

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Quite right; anything good can be carried to an extreme. Noting that doesn't make anyone anti-religion, just anti-religious extremists.

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Can you think of ANY religions more corrosive and poisonous to everyone-believers and non-believers alike? Belief systems based on ignorance, fear, and silly superstition only tend to bring out the worst in people, despite their pretensions to the contrary. It's no wonder that Christianity and Islam are so opposed to science and secular humanism, as they continue to put to rest the archaic beliefs and outright lies espoused by these two hammerheaded philosophies.

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...radical christians don't want to kill us. Radical christians do want to kill them, "terrorists," or Muslims.

Warning: You may not be able to even comprehend that radical hate groups like these - http://www.bcpl.net/~rfrankli/hatedir.pdf - thrive in America.

File that one in the "WTF?!" folder.

Maybe look up just a few of those, go ahead - they can't bite you through the internet. Try... http://cmf.com/

They're just the same as the Taliban - but they call their hate, "love," they call their war, "...," well - they still call it war.

Stop children what's that sound? It's the motherf'ing New Crusades.

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Right. Christians in this country are bombing buildings
blowing up subways and lopping off the heads of
captives.


Christians I know are helping the poor, feeding the
hungry, praying for the sick etc. etc. The exact
opposite of what Rosie claims.
Please - Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian.
And, as a point of fact, aside from George Bush
and possibly Condeleeza Rice the main people
who advocated fighting this war in Iraq were mainly
neo conservative Jews.
Rosie was never one to allow the facts to interfere
with her prejudices.

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Personally, I think this is the END to the REAL VIEW.

Rosie's lack of Christian Values... plus her BIG Mouth... make me sick to listen to her.

I noticed already, today, she has totally TAKEN OVER THE PROGRAM... the other girls may as well FIND A NEW JOB...

She is HOGING THE VIEW... it is no longer a group VIEW.. but ROSIE'S VIEW..

I will NOT be watching again.... I predict, this is the beginning of THE END... to The View.

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I am a Christian. I don't hate others for their sexual preferences, I don't want people of other religions to die, I don't promote mass murder and I don't want to see any other nation wiped off the face of the earth. I understand that in our history there have been instances where some misled Christians have committed radical acts such as bombing abortion clinics. These are people who were overzealous and do not represent what Christianity is about and they in no way represent the vast majority of Christians. As someone who has been a Christian for 50 years, I can tell you that true Christians promote loving all people (love the sinner, hate the sin), helping those who are in need, conducting our lives in a peaceful manner and seeking to live a life as commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ. REAL CHRISTIANS DO NOT PROMOTE HATRED. They are not dangerous people and anyone who truly believes that needs to study Christianity to find out what it is really all about. In my opinion what led Rosie to make the comment that radical Christians are more dangerous than radical Muslims came from her disdane over the fact that Christianity defines homosexuality as an abomination to God. Slamming Christians is not going to change what the Bible says. She has chosen to use The View as a platform for her political and lifestyle choices. We as Christians (and there are millions of us) have the right to choose to watch something besides The View and I believe that will happen. The comments I've read on this site about Christians have been so radical they are shocking to me. I honestly did not know there were so many people with so much hatred toward Christianity (even though it is clearly predicted in the Bible). It is frightening. My only other comment is for those of you who claim that Timothy McVeigh was a Christian --- that is false, he was not.

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No one should have to be afraid for needing health care. There are OTHER methods of terrorism other than bombs- losing your job, losing your kids, physical threats , threats against property...

Regarding the blogger's comments about Katrina victims-Sir, I work with these people almost daily. The government's intervention was a joke, misapplied and belated. Maybe when you are a millionaire, the bootstraps are a little easier to reach. But when your business is wiped out -the insurance companies are diddling and fiddling with what they will pay you for the house and the business. You need the money now.What about the people who were shot on the Gretna Bridge? I am still talking with people who are in recovery- just having gotten back to New Orleans- and the mess of conflicting instructions that they have recieved. The Insurance companies tell you you will recieve a really small sum unless you remove the mud from buildings- but wait after some of these folks did that, they have been threatened with Code violations and fines for doing it without a permit- many did it before the permit office reopened. And as little as 8 months ago , there were still bodies being pulled from some areas. Yes there were some abuses of FEMA money by people who got it first- but in a diverse demographic anywhere- that would be a reality. I am still talking to families who one family member is in SF,1 in Houston and a 3rd here in Nashville- trying to get the money to get home and take up their former lives. Donot blame the victims- most of the people with whom I have spoken with ordinary jobs and businesses are trying really hard. I am actually impressed with the scarcity of victim mentality that I am finding. You donot kick someone who is down and trying to get back up, and IF it takes longer than the government THINKS it should-PITY-THEY should have been there long before THEY were. I am finding anger there- and hope that they take it all the way to the polls. Elections are coming , Gentlemen- Think about that next time you leave someone to die because they don't have a summer home on Long Island or Cape Cod to move...

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while america is still tuned in to the banter of talking heads..either from the left or the right...we still dont get it...here's a thought...what if the extreme christians and radical muslim have been nurtured to the ferver that they are to day by organizations within our govt??? Such as the propogation of communisim and capitalism....what if all we are being trained to do is to be subversive, rude, tyrannical, greedy, and irreverent to each other...then due to the obesity of our sedintary life styles...the drugging of our children with Ridlin fort the past 20 yrs,..and the nano-second attention span we have....what if...what if....and im not speaking about my own govt...but other world govts are complicitous as well...read about the our history and their history before point any accusitory fingers at just one group or religion..this well planned madness is going its course...and perpetuating the fearful mayhem that is taking place worldwide...until the absolute truth can be revealed..and not just the convenience of alternating facts can be presented to humankind as a whole....the media will continue to present their minions of well dressed talking heads

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I just sent this e mail to Scarboro;
Joe; Joe, Joe:

Rosie O’Donnell was not attacking Christianity and you know it! She was talking about the “Radical element”. I am no great fan of Rosie’s but it is tremendously clear even by the clip that you played on your show that this is the case. She said nothing about the majority of American’s that practice their faith peacefully and without imposing their beliefs on others. Why are you choosing to resort to this sensationalism? I have always thought that the Radical Element of Right wing Christianity was our “American Taliban”.

Come on now Joe; these are the people blowing up Abortion Clinics, Protesting the funerals of our solders (because God hats “fags”!). There is also; the national Church leaders; such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson claming that God allowed 9/11 because of the “sin” of our nation. On top of that the esteemed Rev. Robertson went so far in 2000 to state that God allowed all of the fires in central Florida because of Disney’s decision to give same sex partner’s benefits and not to shut down to stop the “horrible” “gay day”. This is something, which is neither supported by nor encouraged by Disney.

Tell me Joe; don’t you think that if we didn’t have that little nuisance document (the constitution) they wouldn’t be pushing for enacting legislation to punish and jail those that don’t live their lives according to their particular belief system? You know this to be the case; you just don’t wish to offend many your conservative viewers and yes it is after all Rosie O’Donnell saying it! She is certainly an easy target.

Just when I think that you are becoming reasonable; even though I don’t often agree; you pull a stunt like this!

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All I can say is that you people won't stop until Christianity and all religion is banned. In your minds it's okay that our society is a filled with people who have absolutely no morals. After all (maybe you didn't know this because your too wrapped up in Paris Hilton and Britney Spears to pick up the Bible) but God did create the Bible so that people like you know the key to happiness. If people listened to the Bible, their lives wouldn't be as screwed up as they are now. All I can say is you better start cleaning up your act now, because it's better to be on God's side when he finally wipes out all wickedness. I think Rosie will be on that "wipe out" list too, I just hope that she sees the light before it's too late.

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Didn't you just know that Rosie would ruin The View? Sincerely, can you think of a more radical, left-wing, narrow-minded person? She is not interested in discussion of the truth, she is only interested in her own, narrow, self-centered agenda. She is definitely not someone who is going to bring two groups of people together with mutual understanding, she will only stir the pot and bring about more division. It is not necessarily her views, because everyone is entitled to their opinion, it is the condescending delivery of her views that causes the rift.

If Rosie is the "progressive" poster child, then count me out of that group and call me traditional.

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In December 1989 President George H.W. Bush used stealth bombers to bomb the civilian population of Panama City. The USA claims that only a few hundred Latinos were killed and it was their own stupid fault for being there. Panamanians insist that the number murdered was between 3,000 and 5,000. Between 20,000 and 30,000 people were left homeless.

The reason George H.W. Bush bombed Panama was to arrest one man! General Manuel Noriega. Few Americans know anything about this atrocity because they are so ill informed about what goes on. Besides, who cares, the murdered people weren't US citizens so what's the problem?

And then there was that other Christian event, the bombing and napalming of Vietnam. More than a million Vietnamese civilians murdered.

Perhaps you don't remember that...

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First of all, in regards to the comments made by the Christian conservatives, I believe that the people commenting in this forum do not hate Christians. If you pay attention to the topic, we are CLEARLY discussing RADICAL Christians. If they claim to be Christians, who are we to dispute it? Yes, their take on morality may be different than ours, but so is that of the extremist Muslim or Islam. In my mind, they are the same, and Rosie officially rocks for making such an insightful observation. An informed and non-judgemental person knows that not all Muslims are suicide bombers, just as well as we know that not all Christians are abortion clinic bombers. This is a war on TERROR, and I believe that we need to fight our own terror here at home as well. That said, what frightens me the most is the very strong possibility of Americans losing our religious freedom. I have a profound respect for people with faith, no matter what their faith is in. The line that separates church and state is becoming grayer and grayer with every day of this administration. The Bible is NOT a tool to govern. Just read Deuteronomy and tell me if that type of racism, sexism and violence against your children is really the way you want to live.

Oh, and on a side note, Rosie's comments are no surprise to me. I applaud her for remaining true to herself and not conforming. ABC knew what they were getting into when they hired her. This sort of controversy and debate is EXACTLY what The View is all about. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It's as simple as that.

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“One notes that radical Christians don't want to kill us.

Ahhh, so threatening is only what threatens us and our children. I see. And threatening to remake America into a Christian theocracy ain't no thang.”


So you don’t think killing people to pursue your ends is fundamentally different from pursuing an agenda that requires garnering support in a democratic society? The left makes moral equivalencies that ought rightly to drive people away. Prayer in school = flying airplanes into buildings.

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The thing to remember about Rosie is that she is gay and many of her polotical and religious view-points stem from her defending the gay lifestyle. The reason she prob. is so angry with Christians is becasue The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. The problem is, that Rosie, along with the rest of society sees Christians as these radical bible thumpers who have nother better to do than judge every-one and everything. I 23 year old woman, an artist, photographer and graphic designer. I'm married. I'll drink a glass of wine with dinner or go to a bar with my friends. I watch TV and movies. And I'm a Christian! Am I a threat to the US? I believe homosexuality is wrong. But am I say Rosie is a horrible person? NO! Would I ever question how good of a mother she is based on the fact that she is gay? NO! To the majority of Christians, homosexuality is a sin, that's what the Bible says. Christians have the United States given right to belive what they want. MOST Christians would act in love. That's what God tells us to do. He says even if you don't agree with someone, show them my love. Not kill them, no be mean to them, no slander them, LOVE THEM. Yes there have been stuoid people who say they are Christians and do horrible things. Christians might not agree with abortion, but God doesn't tell us to go kill the doctors. Those people are WRONG. Please don't condem Christians because we stand up and say we believe something is wrong, we can all have different opinion but we still have to respect each other. If I have to Respect Rosie then she needs to respect me.

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I think we need to be careful what we refer to as fundamentalist Christianity. Rosie is entitled to her opinion but first she has to back it up. Yes, I agree that the the majority of terrorist acts that have occured in our borders have been by people who claim to be Christians. Just because someone says they are a Christian, does not make them one. If some one is a Christian, then the following must be true of their lives: 1. walking in love not hate
2. Walking in Joy and I don't mean being happy all the time. A Calm delight eminates from them.
3. Walking in Peace. They don't allow what is going on in the world to make them frantic.
4. Are they patient or do they cut the guy off in traffic and yell obscenities.
5. Do they possess self-control.
6. General Goodness.
7. Faithfulness.
These are just a few things that I would look for in a person's life if they were claiming to be a Christian. Also who are their friends? Are they all of the same race? That would be suspect to me.
In closing, groups like the KKK, Arayan Nation, and other Neo-Nazi groups pose a huge threat to national security just as terrorists. But be care not to lump well-meaning Christians in to that bunch. Yes, I evangelize but only when the occasion arises and the person is not trying to argue. I am not one to push my faith on anyone. What I believe comes straight from the Bible. And I suggest people read so that they will see that Jesus never intended for his disciples to force people to Christianity. Man did that. Maybe it's time for some of you to take a second look at Jesus and the Bible. You may be surprised at what you come to find.

Stephanie

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I wish many of the Christians posting here would take a look at how they write about Rosie. Agree or disagree, calling her names, and saying you're quitting watching the View, the attitudes against her etc. are not coming from a loving spirit. It's fine for Christians to not like what she's saying, and to disagree - but in can be discussed in a loving matter. The matter of fact, blasting of her is a tiny seed in what the problem of fundamentalism is. Christianity is love, the love of Christ - not a great witness here from many who profess to be.

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Christianity absolutely does not define homosexuality as an abomination to God. Therein lies the judgment that is insidious in fundamentalist Christianity - we need to all be tolerant and loving. Read "Sins of Scripture" - don't get stuck on the title - an absolutely loving response to the damage the human interpretation of God's word has espoused - from a true Christian. I challenge any Christian who thinks this is not true to read this book prayerfully (without prejudging it), and then search their hearts for what they believe is true. (with regard to homosexuality - the chapter in there is very enlightening) There is no doubt as to the human intervention in creating 'religion' and the absolute attitudes of fundamentalists of any kind are dangerous. I find fundamentalist - leaning friends stick to their narrow beliefs and won't even expand or read other opinions because they don't want to question what they 'know'. When I started to realize there had to be something wrong in me (a Baptist) believing everyone pretty much had to be protestant, I began to read about other religions, other teachings, etc. You would be amazed at the similarities and the basic truth in all. Good grief, there is a book on the parallel teachings of the Buddha and Jesus that blew me away. Open your minds, educate yourselves, and then debate what is involved in following Christ in a genuine,, loving and spiritual manner. Being a Christian is no rules and laws. It is love and compassion, being a light in this world. Leave the rest to God, Love, don't Judge ... '

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Yawn. My great fear of being "witnessed to" right up until I close my door doesn't compare the reservations I have regarding significant numbers of people who take to heart the global death edicts of

Witnessing isn't the problem. You can easilly shut the door in their faces. But radical Christians ARE comitting murder and bombing places in the name of their beliefs, just like the radical Muslims. You just dont' hear as much about it because it isn't as widespread, and the current climate in this country is that Christians can do no wrong. Which is complete BS. There are just as many evil, asshole Christians out there as there are in any other group. 'They're not perfect... just forgiven'.

Do some net searches on 'abortion clinic bombings' or 'abortion doctor murder' or look around for information about the chemical attack on 'Cafe Risque' in Waldo Florida in May of 2006. Look up the 'Lord's Resistance Army' in Uganda. or Eric Robert Rudolph's bombing of a gay nightclub. You'll see what i'm referring to. And don't give me any of that 'Well they're not real Christians' crap. They call themselves Christians. They believe in the Bible and in Christ, they just interpret the Bible differently than most people out there. They're using the tenants of Christianity to futher their own agendas and corrupting Christianity's message just like the radical Muslims are doing to Islam.

Does this make all people who call themself Christian bad? No. Just like not all Muslims are bad. But it doesn't make them all good either. The key word here is radical. Radical Christians are bombing abortion clinics and murdering abortion doctors - despite their religion's prohibition on killing others. Radical Christians are making chemical attacks against porn shops. Why? To push their ideals on other people. This makes these Radical Christians no better than the radical Islamic terrorists we're supposedly fighting in Iraq. They just happen to get a free pass at it because they're the majority in this country so its ok for them to push their views off on everyone else violently or not. The commandment written in stone was "Thou shalt not kill", not "Thou shalt not kill, unless you don't like their lifestyle , business or religion."

Rosie's also referring to the fact that right wing Christians are constantly trying to push themselves into government, into schools and into organizations. Our governemnt is supposed to represent ALL people, not just the ones who bark the loudest. In order to do that they can't be allowing one group to have more privilleges than the rest, which is what a lot of right wing Dominionist types want. They want to use public tax money to fund their efforts to use public schools as a recruiting ground for new members.

All of this makes these radical elements dangerous even from the perspective of fellow Christians. If you're a Baptist, do you honestly want a Quaker telling you how to live? Or a Mormon? Or a Methodist? Probably not. How about a Snake Handling Pentacostal? Do you want them indoctrinating your children in public school to their ideas? No. Do you want them passing laws to tell you how to worship in your church or how to behave in your home? No. Or how about having the kids in class handle a bunch of poisonous snakes? Because true Christians should be able to handle serpents and drink deadly poisons. Yeah I didn't think so. Now add to it the remaining 48% of this nation that AREN'T Protestants and think about how we feel about it for a second.

Face it, whether you choose believe it or not radical Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam they just go about things in a slightly more sneaky backroom sinister sort of way. The only thing keeping them in line is the Law and the punishment it will exact on them.

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The View was boring, banal, ethnocentric, trivial, and annoying before Rosie. Bravo Rosie! It's about time somone in the mainstream "blahblahblah" machine spoke up about the dangers of religious fundamentalism in any religion...another reason why I like being an atheist. I don't have to go to war over imaginary friends.

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Is there really any difference between either ?

1. Both want to kill all gays.
2. Both want women LOCKED UP and SHUT UP!
3. Both espouse HOLY WAR against each other.
4. Both want to kill every last Jew, Buddhist, Hindu or any other so-called "non-believers".
5. Both believe they will reap great rewards in their own version of "Heaven": One from dying in Jihad, one from the "Rapture"!
6. Both probably want to kill Hugo Chavez. (Hey, he's a "nonbeliever", isn't he?)

Anyone else got more apt comparisons.

FIRE NANCY GRACE! KEEP ROSIE ON "THE VIEW"!

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I'm a radical Christian. Let me tell you the definition. I love everyone and pray that I will see all of you in heaven one day. If we are honest, none of us are perfect.
As a radical Christian, I pray that Christians everywhere will extend grace to Rosie. We are all desperate for grace and mercy, that's why we need Jesus. If you think you are good enough without Jesus, put yourself to the test: http://www.livingwaters.com/good/

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To activists for gay marriage, embryonic stem cell research, and late term abortion, Christians who embrace the Bible’s literal language and vote their convictions actually are more threatening than Muslims who oppress women, behead captives, threaten Israel, and conduct genocide in Darfur. Proximity trumps intensity. The burglar coming through your window creates more anxiety than the serial killer across town. This principle of perspective in which near objects appear larger than distant ones explains why hatred for Bush, an Evangelical Christian, exceeds loathing for terrorists so that indiscretions at Abu Graib receive more outrage than beheadings of captives. Activist Christians who are deeply disturbed by Rosie’s assertion, audience applause, and ABC complicity can console themselves with widespread opposition to this war. The day that gay and abortion activists and their sympathizers in the press and entertainment industry wholeheartedly support global war on terrorists will be dark for Christians who presently constitute an equal threat.

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"This principle of perspective in which near objects appear larger than distant ones explains why hatred for Bush."

Following your own analogy, this is acting on appearances that are known distortions of reality. And yet you seem proud of this.

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Rosie represents so much to so many. She is a feminist, a gay rights advocate, and is not afraid to speak her mind knowing full well that it could cost her, her job. I hope not. WE need more people in whatever forum to speak up and hold people accountable. People will not be accountable until we make them accountable she is to be applauded.

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Some of the commenters have brought up Ms. O'Donnell's sexual orientation.

Yuck. Shame on these people for trying to change the subject by targeting her in this way.

Any hetero person who doesn't see how hetero privilege works, this is a good example: if she were heterosexual, no one would have brought up her sexual orientation at all in response to the substance of her critiques.

Sigh.

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Rosie has said out-loud what a lot of people think, and I suspect this perspective is the biggest reason for a general lack of support in confronting the genocidal version of Islam. Rosie wants so badly to believe that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same, that she must treat them the same way. The day that she is forced to treat Muslims and Christians differently will be a day of cognitive crisis in which she will have to acknowledge that there are fundamental differences between different kinds of fundamentalists. Rosie will not accept war against certain sects of Islam until there is also war on certain sects of Christianity.

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AND This IS Scary

I do not want to live in a theocracy with Jerry Falwell making the laws.

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Rosies is part of the NEW Civil War Movement - discised as the Democrat Political Party.

When she SHOUTS DOWN her fellow co-host.. she has stepped to far.

Rosie does not respect herself.. so why should she respect her other co-host.

She does not know how to use her mind to debate... screaming and yelling is so un-professional... not entertaining.

This is just another RADICAL POLITICAL program... just like any other CULT... using her fame to RE-PROGRAM and SHAPE the minds of the people.

However, some are not asleep, some are actualy AWAKE and AWARE.

Her He/She Vibration bring out the worst in others... it will only incite a civil war.

Read the post here... We do have Bill and Hillary Clinton to thank for the setting ito motion the NEXT Civil War... you can already hear it in the VOICES of the people who call the radio or write on the many message boards.

To thik that a movie would come out that promotes the assignation of the President... These New - Civil War Democrats are all apart of the many special interest groups... like gays who need a voice... and their voices are inciting Civil War in the name of regaining their bid for power.

Rosie, is ONE MORE VOICE of many... in the public eye, that adds to the GLORY of CIVIL WAR ..

No God.. No Love... No Peace.

These people are DIVIDERS.... NOT Unites.
There's No Business Like Show Business.. (WITH THE CIVIL WAR Attitude.)

This is very sad to watch, becuase WE ARE ALL FIRST AMERICANS... The VOICES of hatred for our Preseident being expressed on shows lilke this has risen to a level of hatred that this country has never seen...

Rosie is just one more entertainer who is using her PROFESSION to PROMOT HER OWN PERSONAL HATE.

These are the DARKEST NIGHTS of the soul.
Many the Hatred for one another be RECONSIDERED....

May The WICKED BECOME Good...
May The VOICES of The GOOD Become Heard and Seen...
May The SEEN and Heard... EXPRESS THE GLORY OF GOD....
May GOD WITHIN... AWAKEN ALL... To the Glory and Preciousness of Life.

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First of all Roise is in my hatered catagory because she uses media attention that her stardom has to push her personal agenda. But then again I have the right to tell turn her off.

Second I have no problems with Christianity, Islam or any other religion. But like most things moderation is good, when taken to the exterme things get ugly. Religion is the root cause for more death and suffering than anything else in the history of homo sapien.

Third Fundie Christians and other religions have every right to freedom of speech as I do. However the sidewalk is public my doorstep is not. If you don't response to a polite goodbye, then I will introduce you to my not so polite friends Mr. Smith and Mr. Weson. You on my property and I don't want you there guess what its called TRESPASSING..

Lastly the stupid idea, get all the Fundie Christians and Fundie Islamic clerics and drop them off in the desert with a few gang-rumble type weapons and put the whole thing on PPV problem solved

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Regarding Xians and Muslims, I think it was Woody who wrote, "some will kill you with a gun, others with a fountain pen" though it looks like guns all around currently.

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Who is more mad, Ahmadinejad or Bush!!

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The people who are taking Rosie's remarks personally should be asking themselves "why" they're taking her words so personally. As another who commented, Rosie was talking about the "authoritarian-right-wing-fundamentalist" christians who espouse hatred for everyone, and everything that is different from them. The right-wing fundamentalists will never see reality through the fog, and illusion of the "rapture". The Bible, like the Koran, does not espouse the beliefs, and tenets that these zealots are spreading.

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How does a person like Rosie O'Donnell get into our homes on PRIME TIME TV every day of the week? I am tired of her putting her RADICAL VIEWS into our homes. What has happened to Daytime TV.....it used to be entertaining. Now it's filled with idiots like Rosie.

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Any good thing can be radicalized into something evil.

Socialism was radicalized into Stalinism and millions of Ukranian kulaks were starved to death in the name of collectivism.

The free market can be radicalized into robber-baron capitalism, and give us tragedies like the Great Depression. Corporations themselves can become radicalized and make an unholy alliance with one-party rule to create a fascist state. Such a fascist state (Nazi Germany) exterminated millions in the name of "racial purity" and "Lebensraum."

Last of all religion can be radicalized. Peaceful Musims minding their own business have their children radizalized in madrassas.

Jewish terrorist groups like the Haganah radicalized the faith of Abraham and Isaac to blow up the King David hotel and oust their British colonial masters in the late 1940s. Menachim Began was one of their number.

And tragically the peaceful teachings of the Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth have all too often been hijacked by radicals bent on evil purposes. Consider the Normans, "bad Christians and good churchmen," who slaughtered every Muslim man, woman and child in Jerusalem during the first Crusade.

As Shakespeare pointed out, "the devil can cite scriptures for his purpose."

The problem is not socialism, the free market, Islam, Judaism or Christianity. The problem is evil men who hijack what is best in humanity for their own evil ends.

People acting in the name of Jesus Christ have commited atrocities throughout history. They did evil in the name of what is good, and they are surely burning in hell for their presumption.

But so many others have stayed true to the peaceful foundations of their faith and worked wonders. Dietrich Bonhoefer and Martin Niemuller bravely stood up to the Nazis in the name of Christ and paid the ultimate price for their faith.

The Rev. Martin Luther King acted out of deep personal faith when he spearheaded the peaceful dismantling of American Apartheid.

But if you only cite evil radicals as examples of "those Christians," the question must be asked: Have you too become radicalized in your beliefs? Are you no longer able to see the faith of Rev. King because you are so obsessed with the extreme rhetoric of the American Religious Right?

Rosie O'Donnell has allowed hersel to become radicalized. Perhaps she had a hard time in Catholic School, or the nums whacked her kunckles one time too many, but this doesn't give her the right to slander every other American Christian.

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Why is it that everyone believes the religious right is trying to make America into a theocracy?

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"One notes that radical Christians don't want to kill us..."

To which the correct response is, "Who's *us*, kemo sabe?" If you happen to be gay, or a family planning physician, there are a number of radical Christians who are quite open about their belief that you should get the death penalty.

Sadly, it's only a matter of time before they get around to calling for the death penalty against every other belief and behavior they disapprove of. And until they get it, there are those among them who are perfectly willing to administer it themselves.

That's what radical religion is, folks. It insists that its interpretation of moral rules laid down in its ancient holy books is inerrant. I'd much prefer it if we could all live and let live, but I'm not the one refusing to negotiate or compromise. They are.

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The christains I've known weren't benevolent lovers of mankind. They have almost exclusively been self righteous racist haters. As a child I was preyed upon numerous times by christians looking to kidnap people’s children from the faith of their families. They invite you to their church and preach christian propaganda to you in their effort to use your youth and vulnerability to gain converts. What gives these people the right to invite other people’s children to their churches? Aren't these the same people who hold FAMILY values in such high regard? Can you imagine what they would do if jews and muslims attempted this with their children? I imagine you'd find a burning cross on your lawn. I have never had a jew or a muslim or anyone but over zealous and frightening christians try to convert me. I find these people frightening and pray god saves us from their vision of the world. In their efforts to exploit me they only managed to turn me against their them as now I look back and resent the way they attempted to exploit so many of us when we were young and vulnerable.

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Sorry - didn't watch the show very often. What happened? Here I thought it was a light-hearted show to watch to put your brain into autodrive mode.

I didn't know this show was supposed to make you think! (Unless it was about interior decorating, the latest celeb gossip, how to do your makeup, how much crap your baby spits up on you...)

Here! I guess I was wrong! A political commentary in couture fashion, with the latest, greatest recipe for squid you've ever seen! Join them as they debate great issues like radical fundamentalism, and show you the best way to seduce your partner after a long day at the office! Don't miss the special report on Angelina and what's-his-name - mixed families, are they for you? Tackle racism with the girls from the view, and gain valuable tips on the newest hairstyles for the fall!

Come off it. Rosie is at least trying to be serious - who knows why - it ain't a serious show, or one to take this seriously anyhow.

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And thus, it should never be discussed outside of your own home.

Also, "freedom from" is a higher form of freedom than "freedom to". Your right to yell "fire" in a theatre is superceded by my right not to be trampled in a stampede to the exits.

I've never watched the View, and I have no interest in most talking head shows. That said, I do feel the effects of fundamentalism and this appears to me to be more of a discussion about that then just the TV programme itself.

The ideology that drives fundamentalism, be it Christian or Muslim, is that one's own ideas are the only correct ones, and that all others must subjugate themselves to it. To wit, their freedom to force you to submit to their world view is considered more important than your freedom to live your life unmolested. What the debate is now, is just a semantic discussion over methodology. Radical Muslims might kill you directly by cutting your head off, but radical Christians kill you indirectly through the suppression of science and medical treatment. Either way, you're still dead in the end.

Now that I've got the polite rationalism out of the way, let's have some fun here:

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In a just world, George W. Bush would be wearing a paper frenchfry hat, and Negativland said it best with, "Christianity is stupid. Give up."

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Thanks for indulging me this.

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Radical christians are not to the point of the muslims. We are a little more sophisticated then the middle east. We hold more value of life than them. But we make life miserable for anyone that disagrees, anyone that is homosexual (although God does not rate one sin more than another), anyone that is poor, in prison, anyone different, etc. We have evolved a little further than the muslims. But radical christians have burned people at the stake, started wars (right Bushies?), astrocized the poor, etc.

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Excuse me. Don't blame Christians for what's done by politicians. Governments declare wars, not churches. Look at who's doing all the wars now that we've separated church and state in western civilization. It's not the churches or Christian religious leaders building bombs and dropping them. Kind of makes one suspect that wars have been the fault of the politicians all along. I get pretty exasperated with people blaming religion for conflicts rooted in envy and human nature.

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Ummmm. The word radical in of itself denotes someone who is dangerous. Yes, there are christian radicals, there are also atheist radicals, liberal radicals, conservative radicals, muslim radicals, etc. In general, they are all dangerous.

That said, just looking at the facts it would seem like Islamist radicals are more dangerous than Christian radicals, if for no other reason than the amount of people they kill every year.

For instance, since 911 more people are killed by Islamists per year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. And Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

The numbers don't lie, radical Islam is more dangerous than radical Christianity.

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Actually, Islam is not opposed to science. The pursuit of knowledge and reflection upon the universe is a requirement in Islam. Also, many recently discovered scientific facts were
mentioned in the Quran over a thousand years ago. There is no contradiction between Islam and science.

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This country was founded on Freedom of Religion, NOT Freedom from Religion. The founders came here to escape persecution of their religion.
If by believing in the Bible, praying for others and trying to help those who are in need makes me a Radical Christian then I will be proud to be called one.
It saddens me to see what this country, it's people and children have become. I know that the Bible tells me these things must happen before the Jesus returns. I will continue to pray for the people of this world that they find Jesus and accept his as their savior before it is too late. God Bless each of you.

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