of Elizabeth Hasselbeck getting into it with Rosie? I can't stand that little spoiled, overprivileged, self-centered twit. She actually once equated Plan B with leaving your baby out on the street to die of exposure. What a waste of carbon she is.

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It is wonderfully refreshing to hear that Rosie O'Donnell would say what she said. I think it reflects the thinking of most Americans. She better watch out though. ABC produces "The View" and supports the subversive propaganda of the current Administration in Washington D.C. and may move to squelch her.

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"And I would say the outcome, really, of America really depends on the battle in the streets of New Orleans, that that city is still decimated and $303 billion have been spent fighting this war. If, literally, a third of that money was put into Katrina and facilitated with honest people who knew how to do it, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in."

Couldn't agree more.

O'Donnell notes that radical Christianity is as threatening as radical Islam

Yawn. My great fear of being "witnessed to" right up until I close my door doesn't compare the reservations I have regarding significant numbers of people who take to heart the global death edicts of Gangsters-Turned-Religious-Grand-Poobahs (the real title rhymes with Psycho-Tollah) that issue global death edicts (backed by state-sponsored rewards) against people who exercise their right to free speech. Of course, I'm referring to Rushdie and the Cartoon Jihad, among other instances.

Committing our military personnel and resources to adventurism and "nation building" doesn't help me feel any more secure, just (as O'Donnel correctly states) more broke at tax time, having spent money--and more importantly, the lives of our people, not to mention the lives of other peoples--to a cause that, quite frankly, sucks.

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God Bless Rosie.
The religious right IS the greatest threat to our, American, freedom, liberty and democracy that we have faced since the defeats of Hitler and Stalin.
Take a look around at what is said and what is done and it is obvious that the reliious right is using the system to gain complete control of the system with NO room for dissent.
Perhaps Rosie's comments will make more traditional Christians wake up and think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Are we already forgetting about the bombing of the Atlanta Olympics? The Oklahoma City bombing, done in retaliation for the raid on a religious cult? The anti-abortion sniper who killed the doctor in New York?

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OK. So apparently Muslim terrorists, who took out four planes and some 2,900-plus people, blow up subways and trains, blow up themselves, blow up cars, and saw off the heads of civilians don't hold a candle to Christians?

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Radical Christians? Wanting the end of the world and working to accomplish that is radical. In my opinion that is about as radical as it gets.

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Designated Funds; Vapor Money? Confederate Money!

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I do believe it was a radical Christian who proposed killing Hugo Chavez.
That is TERRORISM!

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Rosie should have mentioned that pretty much all the terrorist attacks w/in our borders (besides 9/11 and the jury's still out on that in my humble opinion) have been committed by white fundy Christians. Tim McVeigh and that Rudolph guy who blew up abortion clinics come to mind, and that's just off the top of my head.

The majority of hate groups are all self-proclaimed "Christians" including the KKK. They have a whole bloody history of terrorism, murder and racism. If that's not dangerous, I don't know what is.

If we were in a civil war, there would definitely be murders at the hands of these people. If they could get away with it, they would, in other words. They got away with it plenty until LBJ put a stop to it back in the 60's.

Rudolph belonged to a group which calls itself "Christian Identity." They find it perfectly fine to kill folks who are pro-choice.

Rosie is right.

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ARE a threat - a real threat. As someone who goes to work every day in a women's health center that provides heatlh care (including abortion care) to our low income community with the real threat of a RADICAL CHRISTIAN (last time I checked, of the myriad incidents of physicians, nurses, and other staff of health clinics that have been VIOLENTLY attacked, maimed and killed every single incident has been executed (pardon the pun) by a RADICAL CHRISTIAN. Last time I checked, of the myriad incidents of clinics being bombed, burnt to the ground, or vandalized, every single incident has been executed by a RADICAL CHRISTIAN in the name of Christianity.

Now you can believe that in those cases those folks weren't "really Christian." And I would agree with you. But the truth is that the perpetrators of those terrorist acts espoused their own brand of radical Christianity just as the terrorists who perpetrate their terrorist acts name Islam as their reason for being (and doing).

It is so annoyingly easy to pull the wool over American's eyes. You replay a story over and over and over again. You feature dark-skinned Muslims terrorizing parts of the world and bam! The Americans say the biggest threat to our lives is radical Islam. The truth is the biggest threat to our lives is ANY religion that is ultimately okay with using coercion, war and other violent means to get what they want. That includes, as Evan stated, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It may include Hinduism and Sikhism. The only religion I know of that is consistently and actively for peaceful means all of the time is Buddhism.

So, yes, I say without compunction that radical Christianity has been the cause of violence, death and destruction in our country and around the world just as extremist Muslims have been.

Domestic terrorism in the name of radical Christianity has been a staple in our lives in this country for many years from the Oklahoma city bombings (as a commentor previously stated), the Olympic bombing and the ongoing abortion clinic bombings and shooting deaths of so many doctors and nurses and staff who work at abortion clinics.

If you are that easy to propagandize to, you might consider turning a blind eye to all news outlets. Maybe you'll see things more clearly after that.

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Fantastic comments WonderWoman. I especially appreciate this one: “It is so annoyingly easy to pull the wool over American's eyes.” Most Americans do not know much if anything about the religion of Islam. I have no Idea if you do, WonderWoman, but you sure have observed human nature. That is what it takes to keep an open mind and not prejudge a group or a religion based on individuals’ acts.

Another great WonderWoman observation: “Now you can believe that in those cases {of perpetrating violence} those folks weren't ‘really Christian’ and I would agree with you. But the truth is that the perpetrators of those terrorist acts espoused their own brand of radical Christianity just as the terrorists who perpetrate their terrorist acts name Islam as their reason for being and doing. “

For anyone who might be interested, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) has an online Site with a great deal of information on Muslim Americans goals and activities for peace and justice and mutual understanding. Here is one statement copied from their Site. "al-Qaida does not speak for Islam or for the vast majority of Muslims worldwide who want to live in peace with their neighbors, practice their faith in freedom and raise their children in societies based on justice and mutual respect," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. "For the last five years, al-Qaida has offered nothing but a future filled with endless violence and division."

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Quite right; anything good can be carried to an extreme. Noting that doesn't make anyone anti-religion, just anti-religious extremists.

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Can you think of ANY religions more corrosive and poisonous to everyone-believers and non-believers alike? Belief systems based on ignorance, fear, and silly superstition only tend to bring out the worst in people, despite their pretensions to the contrary. It's no wonder that Christianity and Islam are so opposed to science and secular humanism, as they continue to put to rest the archaic beliefs and outright lies espoused by these two hammerheaded philosophies.

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...radical christians don't want to kill us. Radical christians do want to kill them, "terrorists," or Muslims.

Warning: You may not be able to even comprehend that radical hate groups like these - http://www.bcpl.net/~rfrankli/hatedir.pdf - thrive in America.

File that one in the "WTF?!" folder.

Maybe look up just a few of those, go ahead - they can't bite you through the internet. Try... http://cmf.com/

They're just the same as the Taliban - but they call their hate, "love," they call their war, "...," well - they still call it war.

Stop children what's that sound? It's the motherf'ing New Crusades.

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Right. Christians in this country are bombing buildings
blowing up subways and lopping off the heads of
captives.


Christians I know are helping the poor, feeding the
hungry, praying for the sick etc. etc. The exact
opposite of what Rosie claims.
Please - Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian.
And, as a point of fact, aside from George Bush
and possibly Condeleeza Rice the main people
who advocated fighting this war in Iraq were mainly
neo conservative Jews.
Rosie was never one to allow the facts to interfere
with her prejudices.

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Personally, I think this is the END to the REAL VIEW.

Rosie's lack of Christian Values... plus her BIG Mouth... make me sick to listen to her.

I noticed already, today, she has totally TAKEN OVER THE PROGRAM... the other girls may as well FIND A NEW JOB...

She is HOGING THE VIEW... it is no longer a group VIEW.. but ROSIE'S VIEW..

I will NOT be watching again.... I predict, this is the beginning of THE END... to The View.

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I am a Christian. I don't hate others for their sexual preferences, I don't want people of other religions to die, I don't promote mass murder and I don't want to see any other nation wiped off the face of the earth. I understand that in our history there have been instances where some misled Christians have committed radical acts such as bombing abortion clinics. These are people who were overzealous and do not represent what Christianity is about and they in no way represent the vast majority of Christians. As someone who has been a Christian for 50 years, I can tell you that true Christians promote loving all people (love the sinner, hate the sin), helping those who are in need, conducting our lives in a peaceful manner and seeking to live a life as commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ. REAL CHRISTIANS DO NOT PROMOTE HATRED. They are not dangerous people and anyone who truly believes that needs to study Christianity to find out what it is really all about. In my opinion what led Rosie to make the comment that radical Christians are more dangerous than radical Muslims came from her disdane over the fact that Christianity defines homosexuality as an abomination to God. Slamming Christians is not going to change what the Bible says. She has chosen to use The View as a platform for her political and lifestyle choices. We as Christians (and there are millions of us) have the right to choose to watch something besides The View and I believe that will happen. The comments I've read on this site about Christians have been so radical they are shocking to me. I honestly did not know there were so many people with so much hatred toward Christianity (even though it is clearly predicted in the Bible). It is frightening. My only other comment is for those of you who claim that Timothy McVeigh was a Christian --- that is false, he was not.

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No one should have to be afraid for needing health care. There are OTHER methods of terrorism other than bombs- losing your job, losing your kids, physical threats , threats against property...

Regarding the blogger's comments about Katrina victims-Sir, I work with these people almost daily. The government's intervention was a joke, misapplied and belated. Maybe when you are a millionaire, the bootstraps are a little easier to reach. But when your business is wiped out -the insurance companies are diddling and fiddling with what they will pay you for the house and the business. You need the money now.What about the people who were shot on the Gretna Bridge? I am still talking with people who are in recovery- just having gotten back to New Orleans- and the mess of conflicting instructions that they have recieved. The Insurance companies tell you you will recieve a really small sum unless you remove the mud from buildings- but wait after some of these folks did that, they have been threatened with Code violations and fines for doing it without a permit- many did it before the permit office reopened. And as little as 8 months ago , there were still bodies being pulled from some areas. Yes there were some abuses of FEMA money by people who got it first- but in a diverse demographic anywhere- that would be a reality. I am still talking to families who one family member is in SF,1 in Houston and a 3rd here in Nashville- trying to get the money to get home and take up their former lives. Donot blame the victims- most of the people with whom I have spoken with ordinary jobs and businesses are trying really hard. I am actually impressed with the scarcity of victim mentality that I am finding. You donot kick someone who is down and trying to get back up, and IF it takes longer than the government THINKS it should-PITY-THEY should have been there long before THEY were. I am finding anger there- and hope that they take it all the way to the polls. Elections are coming , Gentlemen- Think about that next time you leave someone to die because they don't have a summer home on Long Island or Cape Cod to move...

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while america is still tuned in to the banter of talking heads..either from the left or the right...we still dont get it...here's a thought...what if the extreme christians and radical muslim have been nurtured to the ferver that they are to day by organizations within our govt??? Such as the propogation of communisim and capitalism....what if all we are being trained to do is to be subversive, rude, tyrannical, greedy, and irreverent to each other...then due to the obesity of our sedintary life styles...the drugging of our children with Ridlin fort the past 20 yrs,..and the nano-second attention span we have....what if...what if....and im not speaking about my own govt...but other world govts are complicitous as well...read about the our history and their history before point any accusitory fingers at just one group or religion..this well planned madness is going its course...and perpetuating the fearful mayhem that is taking place worldwide...until the absolute truth can be revealed..and not just the convenience of alternating facts can be presented to humankind as a whole....the media will continue to present their minions of well dressed talking heads

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I just sent this e mail to Scarboro;
Joe; Joe, Joe:

Rosie O’Donnell was not attacking Christianity and you know it! She was talking about the “Radical element”. I am no great fan of Rosie’s but it is tremendously clear even by the clip that you played on your show that this is the case. She said nothing about the majority of American’s that practice their faith peacefully and without imposing their beliefs on others. Why are you choosing to resort to this sensationalism? I have always thought that the Radical Element of Right wing Christianity was our “American Taliban”.

Come on now Joe; these are the people blowing up Abortion Clinics, Protesting the funerals of our solders (because God hats “fags”!). There is also; the national Church leaders; such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson claming that God allowed 9/11 because of the “sin” of our nation. On top of that the esteemed Rev. Robertson went so far in 2000 to state that God allowed all of the fires in central Florida because of Disney’s decision to give same sex partner’s benefits and not to shut down to stop the “horrible” “gay day”. This is something, which is neither supported by nor encouraged by Disney.

Tell me Joe; don’t you think that if we didn’t have that little nuisance document (the constitution) they wouldn’t be pushing for enacting legislation to punish and jail those that don’t live their lives according to their particular belief system? You know this to be the case; you just don’t wish to offend many your conservative viewers and yes it is after all Rosie O’Donnell saying it! She is certainly an easy target.

Just when I think that you are becoming reasonable; even though I don’t often agree; you pull a stunt like this!

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All I can say is that you people won't stop until Christianity and all religion is banned. In your minds it's okay that our society is a filled with people who have absolutely no morals. After all (maybe you didn't know this because your too wrapped up in Paris Hilton and Britney Spears to pick up the Bible) but God did create the Bible so that people like you know the key to happiness. If people listened to the Bible, their lives wouldn't be as screwed up as they are now. All I can say is you better start cleaning up your act now, because it's better to be on God's side when he finally wipes out all wickedness. I think Rosie will be on that "wipe out" list too, I just hope that she sees the light before it's too late.

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Didn't you just know that Rosie would ruin The View? Sincerely, can you think of a more radical, left-wing, narrow-minded person? She is not interested in discussion of the truth, she is only interested in her own, narrow, self-centered agenda. She is definitely not someone who is going to bring two groups of people together with mutual understanding, she will only stir the pot and bring about more division. It is not necessarily her views, because everyone is entitled to their opinion, it is the condescending delivery of her views that causes the rift.

If Rosie is the "progressive" poster child, then count me out of that group and call me traditional.

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In December 1989 President George H.W. Bush used stealth bombers to bomb the civilian population of Panama City. The USA claims that only a few hundred Latinos were killed and it was their own stupid fault for being there. Panamanians insist that the number murdered was between 3,000 and 5,000. Between 20,000 and 30,000 people were left homeless.

The reason George H.W. Bush bombed Panama was to arrest one man! General Manuel Noriega. Few Americans know anything about this atrocity because they are so ill informed about what goes on. Besides, who cares, the murdered people weren't US citizens so what's the problem?

And then there was that other Christian event, the bombing and napalming of Vietnam. More than a million Vietnamese civilians murdered.

Perhaps you don't remember that...

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First of all, in regards to the comments made by the Christian conservatives, I believe that the people commenting in this forum do not hate Christians. If you pay attention to the topic, we are CLEARLY discussing RADICAL Christians. If they claim to be Christians, who are we to dispute it? Yes, their take on morality may be different than ours, but so is that of the extremist Muslim or Islam. In my mind, they are the same, and Rosie officially rocks for making such an insightful observation. An informed and non-judgemental person knows that not all Muslims are suicide bombers, just as well as we know that not all Christians are abortion clinic bombers. This is a war on TERROR, and I believe that we need to fight our own terror here at home as well. That said, what frightens me the most is the very strong possibility of Americans losing our religious freedom. I have a profound respect for people with faith, no matter what their faith is in. The line that separates church and state is becoming grayer and grayer with every day of this administration. The Bible is NOT a tool to govern. Just read Deuteronomy and tell me if that type of racism, sexism and violence against your children is really the way you want to live.

Oh, and on a side note, Rosie's comments are no surprise to me. I applaud her for remaining true to herself and not conforming. ABC knew what they were getting into when they hired her. This sort of controversy and debate is EXACTLY what The View is all about. If you don't like it, don't watch it. It's as simple as that.

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“One notes that radical Christians don't want to kill us.

Ahhh, so threatening is only what threatens us and our children. I see. And threatening to remake America into a Christian theocracy ain't no thang.”


So you don’t think killing people to pursue your ends is fundamentally different from pursuing an agenda that requires garnering support in a democratic society? The left makes moral equivalencies that ought rightly to drive people away. Prayer in school = flying airplanes into buildings.

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The thing to remember about Rosie is that she is gay and many of her polotical and religious view-points stem from her defending the gay lifestyle. The reason she prob. is so angry with Christians is becasue The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. The problem is, that Rosie, along with the rest of society sees Christians as these radical bible thumpers who have nother better to do than judge every-one and everything. I 23 year old woman, an artist, photographer and graphic designer. I'm married. I'll drink a glass of wine with dinner or go to a bar with my friends. I watch TV and movies. And I'm a Christian! Am I a threat to the US? I believe homosexuality is wrong. But am I say Rosie is a horrible person? NO! Would I ever question how good of a mother she is based on the fact that she is gay? NO! To the majority of Christians, homosexuality is a sin, that's what the Bible says. Christians have the United States given right to belive what they want. MOST Christians would act in love. That's what God tells us to do. He says even if you don't agree with someone, show them my love. Not kill them, no be mean to them, no slander them, LOVE THEM. Yes there have been stuoid people who say they are Christians and do horrible things. Christians might not agree with abortion, but God doesn't tell us to go kill the doctors. Those people are WRONG. Please don't condem Christians because we stand up and say we believe something is wrong, we can all have different opinion but we still have to respect each other. If I have to Respect Rosie then she needs to respect me.

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I think we need to be careful what we refer to as fundamentalist Christianity. Rosie is entitled to her opinion but first she has to back it up. Yes, I agree that the the majority of terrorist acts that have occured in our borders have been by people who claim to be Christians. Just because someone says they are a Christian, does not make them one. If some one is a Christian, then the following must be true of their lives: 1. walking in love not hate
2. Walking in Joy and I don't mean being happy all the time. A Calm delight eminates from them.
3. Walking in Peace. They don't allow what is going on in the world to make them frantic.
4. Are they patient or do they cut the guy off in traffic and yell obscenities.
5. Do they possess self-control.
6. General Goodness.
7. Faithfulness.
These are just a few things that I would look for in a person's life if they were claiming to be a Christian. Also who are their friends? Are they all of the same race? That would be suspect to me.
In closing, groups like the KKK, Arayan Nation, and other Neo-Nazi groups pose a huge threat to national security just as terrorists. But be care not to lump well-meaning Christians in to that bunch. Yes, I evangelize but only when the occasion arises and the person is not trying to argue. I am not one to push my faith on anyone. What I believe comes straight from the Bible. And I suggest people read so that they will see that Jesus never intended for his disciples to force people to Christianity. Man did that. Maybe it's time for some of you to take a second look at Jesus and the Bible. You may be surprised at what you come to find.

Stephanie

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