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Valerie Plame and Iran Nukes

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 7:14 AM on August 25, 2006.


Part of why 'we don't know shit about Iran'

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Josh and Lindsay are slightly at odds on how to read the recent report stating that our intelligence on Iran is somewhere between sucky and crappy.

Lindsay sees it as indicative of the idiocy of our foreign policy establishment while Josh reads it as more of a scare tactic in service of the great Fear as Invasion-Motivator game sweeping the nation.

Here's another interesting wrinkle, from Juan Cole:

First of all, former CIA professional Larry Johnson and Jim Marcinkowski point out that the Republicans have a lot of damn gall. It was high members of this Republican administration who leaked to the Iranians and the whole world the name of Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA operative who spent her professional career combatting the proliferation of WMD and was, at the time she was betrayed by Traitor Rove and his merry band, working on Iran. Had it not been for these Republican figures, none of whom has yet been punished in any way for endangering US national security, we might know more about Iran.

Good work guys. Good work.

In any case, here's the good news and the bad news:

GOOD: Whatever we do or don't know about Iran in terms of intelligence, the fact remains, as Josh wrote: Iran is still at least 5-10 years away from being able to produce a nuclear weapon.

BAD: After assessing the rhetoric and BS reports, Juan Cole concludes: "Folks, we are being set up again." (JuanCole)

Digg!

Evan Derkacz is a New York-based writer and contributor to AlterNet.


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Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Aug 25, 2006 8:02 AM   
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From reading John LeCarre and other spy novelists I gather each operative has a network. I wonder how many operatives lives and careers were endangered by George's traiterous outing? Not to mention the funds wasted in training the agents

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Terrytom
Posted by: terryton on Aug 25, 2006 8:44 AM   
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The strange fact that more top officials have not been indicted and prosecuted for the Plame affair is not a mystery to me. Prosecutors want convictions and losing can cause serious damage to careers in addition to considerable cost to the taxpayers. I think this stonewall of justice we seem to have hit demonstrates just how deep the corruption in our judicial system extends. I think it is all the way to the Supreme Court. I offer the remark by Justice O’ Connor at the time of the first results of the 2000 election, “this is awful”, the selection of President in 2000 and recent rulings in favor of corporations over common citizens as my rational. We and the world are in deep trouble. This is fascism.

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» RE: Fitz-failure Posted by: howmad1
Playing Russian Roulette with the world.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 25, 2006 11:30 AM   
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With all of the black market fissile material in the world, if Iran is hell-bent to make a bomb, then why don't they simply and quietly BUY what they need? This idea that to produce a nuclear bomb Iran must develop the entire production cycle, from mine to KABOOM!, just doesn't ring true. (Not to mention that it's estimated that Iran would need 50,000 or more cascading centrifuges to refine uranium into bomb-grade material. How many centrifuges do they now possess? About 160. Seems like they have a long way to go...)

So why are we REALLY rushing to blow them back to the Stone Age? Does it...maybe...just maybe... have something to do with black gold and Hitlerian imperial hubris, sparky?

And, who's to say they don't already have a ready-made bomb or two squirrelled away and/or fitted to their long-range missiles? We'll find out, if BushCo attacks Iran – or rather, Israel will find out, when Tel Aviv glows in the dark. . .

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It's like channeling Rip Van Winkle,,,,
Posted by: John Rice on Aug 25, 2006 12:31 PM   
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,,,and awakening after having been in a semi-coma, and seeing almost everything I thought I had known--now in an entirely new and different light.

The realizations have unfortunately been continuously reinforced for the past three years, and the whole realization process has not been much fun...
--like realizing my country is practicing war criminality with impunity by using DU munitions, and though documented since the Manhattan Project of the 1940s is now denied--like Agent Orange was--by our government, including the VA. Our last three Presidents are war criminals by using DU munitions alone. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.
--or like realizing that no matter their respective roles--as dupe or patsy, or mole or planner--"some people" orchestrated, perpetrated and paid for treasonous acts on 9-11 and ought to be investigated and held accountable for their deeds.
--or like realizing that three skyscrapers were blown up on 9-11, and three thousand people died then with tens of thousands more innocent people intentionally put at risk from breathing the poisonous air. Intentionally. Why no outcry?
--or like finally realizing it was insanity to believe Congress would ever honestly investigate the other branches or itself.
--or like realizing that my denial--of our government leaders' treasonous duplicity--as is true for many of us who were in the service, is one of the most difficult of many beliefs to try to overcome—it is so deeply infused in so many other beliefs—like valor and patriotism and checks and balances and freedom and democracy and ohh—all of the lies…...

For many years, I watched the dance, and while "mesmerized by the music" understood nothing while being robbed by the same government that I had believed in. After most of my 60 years, I finally understood what I had refused to believe could possibly be true, for most of my life. Knowing I am not alone--that other good people were duped as well makes it only a little easier to take--and it still stinks.

I think many of us want to find out about 9-11, and all of the events since, but because both the Dems and the Reps are complicit and have everything to lose, what are the chances that anything will be discovered with them still in power? Any more than any number of previous bipartisan commissions which were successful in finding nothing about allegations then, but which are proven true now?

The failure to investigate by Congress is in and of itself, proof of either bipartisan complicity or incomprehensible incompetence. Either way, most of them should be voted out of office, or if ‘kept’, held to account for their previous votes and other deeds, and to account for their money and favors and make certain they did not violate their oaths of office. Still, there are some who could hold up to those standards and that kind of scrutiny. Then and only then should we vote some of them back in—the few not in prison.

There is a way out of this morass, and all it needs for success is for people like you to believe there is a way out of this morass. Just don't expect help to come from the Republocrats--either side of the same old counterfeit coin. If you want something different support Neither. Figure it out. Help where you can.

Regards,,,John
( john_rice@neitherparty.org )

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Looks like you were all wrong about the Plame leak...
Posted by: RossDP on Aug 29, 2006 9:20 PM   
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Turns out that there was no conspiracy to out Plame to punish her husband. Didn't involve George, Karl, Scooter or anyone else you might dream up. Let me know how it feels to be dead wrong, biased and misinformed regarding this issue (please limit your response to this issue).

Read on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/30/washington/30armitage.html

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