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Updated: Kennedy: 2004 Election was rigged

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 8:38 AM on June 2, 2006.


'I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004'
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In a shocker of an article, sent in by filmmaker Matt Kohn, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. writes, in Rolling Stone:

what is most anomalous about the irregularities in 2004 was their decidedly partisan bent: Almost without exception they hurt John Kerry and benefited George Bush. After carefully examining the evidence, I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004. Across the country, Republican election officials and party stalwarts employed a wide range of illegal and unethical tactics to fix the election.

On Exit Polls:

On the evening of the vote, reporters at each of the major networks were briefed by pollsters at 7:54 p.m. Kerry, they were informed, had an insurmountable lead and would win by a rout: at least 309 electoral votes to Bush’s 174, with fifty-five too close to call. In London, Prime Minister Tony Blair went to bed contemplating his relationship with President-elect Kerry.

As the last polling stations closed on the West Coast, exit polls showed Kerry ahead in ten of eleven battleground states – including commanding leads in Ohio and Florida – and winning by a million and a half votes nationally. The exit polls even showed Kerry breathing down Bush’s neck in supposed GOP strongholds Virginia and North Carolina. Against these numbers, the statistical likelihood of Bush winning was less than one in 450,000.

On Ohio:

[Ohio Sec of State Kenneth Blackwell] has openly denounced Kerry as ''an unapologetic liberal Democrat,''(50) and during the 2004 election he used his official powers to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Ohio citizens in Democratic strongholds. In a ruling issued two weeks before the election, a federal judge rebuked Blackwell for seeking to ''accomplish the same result in Ohio in 2004 that occurred in Florida in 2000.''

There's more. Much more.

The question remains: what to do with the information? Bush is the president till '08 and that isn't likely to change, but will the Democrats win back one or both Houses and will the political will be present even then to secure the election process?

What kind of Democracy is left if we don't?

A great deal of discussion is in the works over what a smart and productive progressive response to this and other allegations of widespread, coordinated voter fraud should be. Some of the issues at stake include voter paralysis (if it is true, why vote? vs. a specific and politically advantageous issue around which activists, writers and pols can rally) and fighting the right wing frame that "Democrats just can't get over it."

The response can be rolled into one: Make "every vote counted" a part of the Democratic platform. For the future. Forget about what happened in the past in terms of the election being "stolen." There are allegations on both sides regarding voter suppression. Use the fact that the allegations against Democrats are BS and say: well, if we agree that there were shenanigans on both sides, let's handle this together by making elections transparent, trackable, and uniform. Let's take partisanship out of election oversight (currently, the partisan sec. of state controls the state's voting issues) and ensure that every American's vote is counted.

Force Republicans to come up with a way to say "no, we don't want that." What can you lose by forcing Republicans to publicly oppose transparent and fair elections?

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Posted by: Longdream on Jun 1, 2006 6:34 PM   
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Malfeasance in an elected official would bring censure, impeachment, disbarment for a lawyer, and a leave-taking from office should the governing body call for it. Conspiracy to break federal law would be tried, and carry stiff penalties.

Now, we can read a story like this, and ask what we're supposed to do with the information.

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» NADA Posted by: feller
» NO Posted by: cmaukonen
» RE: NADA Posted by: peacefulaim
WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THIS?!?
Posted by: ordaj on Jun 1, 2006 7:46 PM   
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Where is the press? Where are the Democrats? Where are the alarmed citizens of this country?

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» RE: WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THIS?!? sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THIS?!? Posted by: monkeywrench
» So True! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
Larkrise
Posted by: Larkrise on Jun 2, 2006 12:43 AM   
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Two presidential elections have been stolen by the Republican Party: the "Any means to an end" Party. Unfortunately, millions of Americans are content with this, or at least, apathetic about it. They support destroying the entire country of Iraq and murdering its people to bring Iraqis Democracy; but shrug and switch to Fox News, if told this country can no longer guarantee honest elections. Where is the mainstream Media in all of this? If they discuss election fraud at all, it is hidden on page 5, and ignored by the networks. We need to flood the networks and newspapers with demands that they investigate election fraud; with demands to stop giving the Republicans a free pass in the press; with demands that the Fourth Estate stop making the buck the bottom line;and let the country know that the buck lies dirty and corrupted on Dubya's desk. Don't ask what we are to do with the information. Sign petitions. Answer Action Alerts. E-mail your representatives. Write Letters to the Editor. Demand a paper trail and the end of Diebold machines. If we remain silent, we will be silenced forever. Dont let Democracy die with a whine.

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» RE: NO theft, no crime, no problem Posted by: peacefulaim
They didn't cover the half of it.
Posted by: wli on Jun 2, 2006 4:01 AM   
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But it just doesn't matter anymore. Elections are rigged and they're going to stay rigged until the US is conquered from without, if it ever is. Democracy is dead. We're a fascist dictatorship now.

There are words for what happened. Overthrow. Coup d'etat. Usurpation. Revolution.

You don't get your country back four years later when these things happen. You don't get your country back at all. If you "win" at all, you are stuck attempting to rebuild from razed foundations with empty, plundered coffers. All too often those who did the plundering enjoy posh retirements on distant shores, cackling from afar about how many they killed and how much they stole, all with utter impunity.

No one's sure what's next. Death squads? Disappearances? Death camps? Iraq-style house-to-house raids targeting Democrats and other "leftists?" No one knows. No one can rule anything out. The US is a fascist dictatorship now. All bets are off.

If there's anything I can take as a given amid all this chaos, it's that I won't live to see the end of this, and neither will any of those reading what I write.

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» RE: The Net Effect Is The Same. Posted by: Longdream
» RE: They didn't cover the half of it. Posted by: Steven Wanzell
Black Box Voting!
Posted by: williameon on Jun 2, 2006 4:11 AM   
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“Without accountability there is no election.
It is a selection by Corporate Special Interest.”
Black Box Voting!
By William Eon
“It matters little who votes, it’s those that count the votes that matter.”
Joseph Stalin
Those who control the Ballot Box, decide the election.
There is a voting machine available that prints two receipts!
One for you and one for the vote counter!
Why would we buy anything less?
Who wants to disenfranchise you?
Who wants to buy your vote?
The same people who buy these evil machines, that’s who!
Today in this the modern 21st Century!
Defective voting machines are being sold!
These machines are sold by Corporations that have a vested interest in the outcome of the elections. When their Corporate Crony wins?
He will buy more of their Expensive, Broken, Black Boxes!
Only a politician that wants to control the vote would buy a defective machine.
The proof is in the pudding.
Using defective voting machines means: you have defective election.
These machines were built defective intentionally.
Anyone with the secret source code can hack into these machines from a remote location and change the elections outcome!
They can change, modify or switch the vote tallies!
Every time I go to an ATM I get a receipt!
It shows how much money I took out!
If the Bank stole $10 from you, you would go thru the roof and say
“Here’s my receipt!”
How much is your vote worth?
If we can send a man to the moon!
We can surely make a voting machine that prints a receipt!
In fact they have it already.
Let’s buy it!
Let’s use it.
Trash these Voodoo Black Boxes.
Where is the accountability?
Where is my receipt? Where is the paper trail? Every American’s right to vote must be upheld and every vote must be counted!
Only then we will live in a free society. Let’s have free elections here, first!
It’s treasonous that in Americo 2006, only some people get to vote!
And it‘s a crime that special interest counts them.
Great system if you’re a NAZI!

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Too little, too late
Posted by: AlanSmithee on Jun 2, 2006 4:47 AM   
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Nice of RFK Jr. to come around for a reality visit - and he's only two year too fucking late!

Where the fuck was he when we were fighting county be county in Ohio for recounts? Where was he and his donkey cohorts when Greens and Libertarians were investigating the frauds in Florida & New Hampshire?

Too little, too late. Just like always.

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» The bridge was out Posted by: feller
» RE: Too little, too late Posted by: SimmaDownNah!
sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jun 2, 2006 5:04 AM   
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What took you so long, Kennedy, the rest of us knew the vote was rigged before it even took place. We who were awake and listening knew rigged Dieboldt voting machines were in place in key states and within hours after vote-counting started there were reports of machines "mistakenly" tallying votes to Bush that were cast for Kerry, never the other way around. Consistently, if any "mistakes" were made favoring Kerry they were never reported. Did anybody see how sheepish the talking heads were when they tried to "explain" the difference between the exit polls and the end result? John Kerry should be in the White House just as Al Gore should have been in 2000, tho if Gore had gone to the White House in 02 he would have returned in 04 and 9 11 would never have happened. Any theories where The First Decider was all the time from the time the planes hit and the time he popped onto the news ranting about Axes of Evil? Theory one: he was drunked out On the bed of AF1. Theory 2: He was Under the bed of AF1, fearful and trembling. I don't buy for a minute the story that communications were out on AF1. He could have called Cheny to ask what to do from the Louisiana airbase where he first stopped, been in touch with anywhere in the world from NORAD or SAC HQ in Omaha. Or simpler yet, didn't anybody on board have a cell phone?

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» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: kryptx
» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: feller
» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: gar
AND
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 2, 2006 5:32 AM   
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Yes the 2004 election was stolen AND the 2000 election was stolen AND the 2002 election was stolen AND numerous other previous elections have been stolen AND the safeguards are not in place to prevent 2006 and 2008 from being stolen. The electoral system in the US is a total mess AND the Bushies are trying very hard to keep it that way. This criminal procedure will continue until we IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS called Bushies and many other public officials.

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Electronic voting machinations
Posted by: markusmark on Jun 2, 2006 5:43 AM   
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Let's face it - electronic voting machines are here to stay, like it or not. But, when, and not if, we get a Democratic majority in the Congress we should demand that our Congressmen and Senators pass a bill that requires ALL electronic voting machines to be tested by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) (www.nist.gov) in Maryland. If NIST determines that voting machine isn't 100% accurate and 100% tamperproof - it can't be used in any election, even for dog catcher in Podunk, Iowa.
Peace!
Mark
"Truth never damages a cause that is just." - Mahatma Gandhi

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» RE: lectronic voting machinations Posted by: SimmaDownNah!
Something seriously wrong with the election process and the criminals who manipulate it
Posted by: antirightwing on Jun 2, 2006 10:47 AM   
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RFK Jr. is a serious person, so when he makes a serious argument about something seriously wrong with the election process and the criminals who manipulate it, everyone needs to listen. Notice how the network news hasn't given it the light of day. It has been the blogosphere with links pointing to Rolling Stone.

Visit my blog: People For Progress

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Cave in? Liberty or death
Posted by: Stephen Neitzke on Jun 2, 2006 12:54 PM   
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OK, wli -- so you're in the servile crowd who have no way to be US citizens. All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You're a disgrace to the dead and maimed of WW2. We the sovereign people without power? Bullshit. We've got more power in our collective little finger than Bushco has in all its dual-party, three-branch fascist despotism AND corporate sleaze, put together.

US leadership is now a matter of treason first. Our pure rep govt and elites community have massively failed us.

So what? We the sovereign people should roll over and play dead for treasonsous constitutional criminals and felons-in-waiting slimeballs like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Rice, and Chertoff?

Have you lost your mind?

Reform Era citizens rammed various combinations of initiative, feferendum, and recall down the elitist throats of 26 state constitutions, 1898-1918. Those tools of increased democracy were immediately and unconstitutionally overwhelmed by state govt slime -- so that any citizen-proposed law offensive to money-power could be delayed, altered, and/or rejected. But those tools are still sitting there in the state constitutions, just waiting for us to come along, clean them up, and blast our predators' corruption back to the stone age.

In 1934, Nebraska citizens used their CAI (constitutional amendment initiative) to rip their massively corrupt, partisan bicameral legislature out of their legal fabric.

The bicameral's last session was 1935. It ran 110 days, passed 192 bills, and cost $202,593.

All of its 133 members were fired and elections held for 43 new Senators -- about a two-thirds overall reduction. The number of committees was reduced from 61 to 18.

The nonpartisan unicameral held its first session in 1937. It ran 98 days, passed 214 bills, and cost $103,445.

With the "conference committe" gone, there were no more nasty corruption surprises behind closed doors on bills approved in open debate and deliberation -- and no more undebated "riders" shoved into bills at the last moment.

The Nebraska nonpartisan unicameral now has 69 years of success behind it. You can read about it in the piece, "The History of Nebraska's Unicameral Legislature", on the Legislature's own web site, at http://www.unicam.state.ne.us/learning/history.htm .

If we the sovereign people were to suddenly organize across the country to reduce the now-mega-corrupt bicamerals in, say, 10 of the 17 states in which the people have the CAI and bicamerals, we could strip about a thousand predator politicians of their social, economic, and political power.

Long before we could finish that project, politicians across the country would suddenly be our buddies, doing every cowardly thing possible to hang onto their slice of the corruption pie.

Out of that chaos for predators, we the people would suddenly have our electoral system back, more fair than ever. All that's needed is relentless action, showing the predators that we are coming for them -- no matter how they conjole, weep, or scream.

The 17 target states are Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Moussouri, Montana, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, and South Dakota.

Nonpartisan unicamerals are just one of the powers that we the sovereign people have. We're not using any of them. And you want to roll over and play dead for a treasonous despotism? Shame on you.

Get a grip, wli. Or just sit there and moan until you die.

Stephen Neitzke
DD Revival -- The Blog
http://ddrevival.blogspot.com

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madashell
Posted by: abby on Jun 2, 2006 2:30 PM   
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Nothing new here; I've never believed that the results of the last two elections were anything more than phony. Exit polls have never been THAT far wrong, and they weren't in these elections either. I remember the Bushies awaiting the results in their hotel room.....calm and collected with smirks on their faces as the returns showed Gore the winner; they KNEW what the final tally would show. The election was stolen, plain and simple. And the mechanics for this to happen again - and again - is in place.

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» Duh Posted by: feller
Stop Whining/Get a Program that Working Average Normal People Relate To
Posted by: feller on Jun 2, 2006 2:35 PM   
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lots of whining. no proof. even assuming that florida was unacceptable, which I don't other than I don't believe courts should decide any elections for anybody, there is no sin in having good grass roots organizations which is what Karl Rove put together with the Christian Right in Ohio. Fact is that the ground troops for the Democrats, labor, has been on the decline for years, blacks do not vote in the same proportion as white Republicans, and young people for all the Rock the Vote hype don't vote proportionately either.

Democrats have no program. Progressives do for some issues, but often the Kerrys and Reids do nothing about what the progressive grass roots people want.

You guys let your personal hate for Bush and your disdain for his alleged stupidity dominate your propaganda and actions (he is quite bright, no one, no one regardless of family connections gets as far as he has without some cunning or intelligence).

As a true Goldwater/Burke/Kirk/Buchanan Conservative I have not much more use for Bush on the issues as you progressives. But you put up candidates who support "free trade", don't aggressively demand and defend high wages for workers, demand a US first economic policy and sit back and let China rape our economy.

During Clinton, labor was shafted, the military was inflated (Bush lied about Clinton being antimilitary) and capital owners as opposed to wage earners enriched. Bush is just the cleanup man behind Slick Willie. But Bill is articulate, can rap with Blacks, and does the media image of a cool guy when he is and was just a shill for Bob Rubin and Wall St.
The Democrats are almost more the Wall St and lobbyiist party than the Republicans, and it shows. Murtha is not a hero, he's been a shill for the defense industry for years.

As far as Iraq, well, The Democrats, not the USArmy led the charge there with the 1998 Iraq "Liberation" Act, a piece of interventionist imperialism brought to you by Bill "lets's tell the Yugoslav people what govt they want Clinton".

Get off your personal vendetta against Bush. He and Rove will outsmart you every time and overcome every so called crisis. They know how to spin to the common man and you don't/ And until you win some elections, they have you in a tailspin.

Fight against the Clintons and the Bushes, forget conspiracies, and deal with the average American's needs and pride in his/her country. That means border security adn making sure illegal immigrants don't take black and white blue collar jobs. Being politically correct and being for working people may not be compatible. The American people will not vote for weirdos on cultural matters. Get over these "we wuz robbed" whines. People HATE whiners.

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» Spin this Posted by: famouspipeliner
» RE: Spin this Posted by: feller
No whistleblowers?
Posted by: kryptx on Jun 2, 2006 3:54 PM   
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I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004.
How do you get thousands of people to conspire to help you win the presidency, and not have a single one of them come forward with a clean conscience?

Answer: you don't. Heck, even some of those swift boat veterans defected from the group. And everyone already knew they were being deceptive.

These conspiracy theories consistently ignore these pragmatic issues when they make their accusations. They assume that everyone in the Republican party is already corrupt and ready and willing to do anything, even if it's dishonest, to get their leader elected. That's blatantly disrespectful to thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people who genuinely care about their country and honesty, even if their values are different from yours.

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» RE: No whistleblowers? Posted by: SimmaDownNah!
Witnesses
Posted by: famouspipeliner on Jun 2, 2006 4:45 PM   
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In the Canadian election process, candidates can supply witnesses or scrutineers to observe the vote counting process (paper ballots). Could not candidates in the American system do the same? Actual human witnesses should help.
If it is the case that election fraud can be proven, then use the legal system to charge and convict offenders. America hasn't completely fallen apart.
Is it wrong of me to suggest a reasoned, intellectual approach operating within the context of your legal system to address grievences or are my thoughts merely the machinized programming of our corporate overlords?

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» Hows your brew? Posted by: feller
» RE: Witnesses Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Witnesses Posted by: famouspipeliner
» If Posted by: famouspipeliner
» RE: If Posted by: feller
» RE: If Posted by: Longdream
merrifla
Posted by: merrifla on Jun 2, 2006 5:49 PM   
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I'm absolutely in shock..a major network actually picked up on a story that has been under the covers. Us liberal Democrats knew that the 2000 election was stolen from Gore, thanks to Kathrine Harris...and finally the truth has come out about the 2004 election...Gee..who was in charge of elections in Ohio????? I just wonder how many networks will actually cover this story...probably just a blip..we all know that the missing girl in Aruba will be another headline or maybe, let see, Oh yes ...Katy Curick is on CBS..yes..this is more important than our "corru pted election process"...Good luck in the 2006 midterm elections????? And we're fighting in Iraq to spread...Oh, Democracy and to show the Iraqis how well our Democratic Elections work...Right! Thank you Mr. Kennedy for having the "b....s" to speak the truth...to bad our elected Senate and House representative lost theirs!

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Common Cause
Posted by: Maryanne on Jun 2, 2006 7:56 PM   
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Common Cause has a report out entitled "Seizing the Moment: Political Reform in America", which is centered on restoring ethics in government, public financing of elections, and opening elections to a wider range of candidates rather than only the rich. It includes successes, goals, and what we can do to help bring this about.

it is worth reading this from Common Cause.

As for Robert Kennedy, Jr., he has been most active in working on environmental issues. He has written (book, many articles ) about the Bush administration's destructive policies and their consequences. what has been attempted and done to counteract these as well as what we could be doing.

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» How Sweet Posted by: feller
» you are too kind Posted by: feller
Where is the action?!
Posted by: galfrommadison on Jun 3, 2006 5:41 AM   
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This has all been said before by others right after the elections. But, where is the action? Russ put a censure out there for everyone to sign, but no!, they could not risk what...?

I am sorry, this is just too crazy for me. If we did anything like this, we would be in jail.

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» RE: Where is the action?! Posted by: monkeywrench
Winning Elections
Posted by: the islander on Jun 3, 2006 9:31 AM   
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After the experience of the 2000 election, how could the Democratic party and the Democratic candidates ever think during the campaign that the Republicans would let them win the election? They seem to be so out of touch.

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» Win? Donkeys? Never!!!! Posted by: feller
Buckeye blues
Posted by: loril on Jun 3, 2006 5:00 PM   
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I was aware of much of this but some of the allegations were new to me. I didn't think it could get much more discouraging. As an Ohioan, I find it particulary depressing. My sister worked in the urban East Cleveland neighborhood on "Election" 2004 and reported similar stories from her experience at the polling place. She has subsequently left the country for a mixture of personal and professional reasons, but we do not all have this option...Nor is it ultimately constructive.

It is difficult to wrap my mind around this, although I am not naiive enough to believe that voter fraud was invented in this country in 2000...Just perfected.

One irritant is the implication that these crimes were carried out by "rogue" party operatives...As if this was not a "top down" directive straight out of Rove's piggish mouth.

Too little, too late it may be. However, it is a small consolation that a high profile person is putting their name to an article on this topic, perhaps forcing a little more information into the light of day.

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» RE: Buckeye blues Posted by: SimmaDownNah!
Mr. Bip
Posted by: tap17x on Jun 3, 2006 5:12 PM   
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I would be shocked and only slightly surprised if Bush declared a national emergency on some fake grounds and cancelled the election in 2006 or 2008. After all, he controls the armed forces, and who can argue with them?
Bush and the imbecile voters think it's ok that he gets away with anything. There might be some demonstrations but Bush, as usual, would pay no attention. Big corporations would fall into line, also as usual.
I have never before contemplated anything like this.

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An insult to our democracy
Posted by: Morgaine Swann on Jun 3, 2006 9:10 PM   
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I get furious when people suggest that we "get over" two stolen presidential elections. This is America - that means we don't tolerate crooked elections for any reason, ever. To capitulate to the most corrupt crime organization in the history of the republic is absurd.

I don't care if it's politically savvy, or inconvenient or even doomed to fail. We need to get back to the headspace that says you do what is right, whether it is "convenient" or not.

This is an unprecedented event that even our Constitution didn't foresee. We have a clear basis for challenging any election because we aren't using the Electoral College as it was intended, anyway.

I say we band together, get the ACLU to represent the American people, and demand that President Gore, then President Kerry, be allowed to serve the terms to which they were legally elected.

If we do anything less, we are nothing but a banana republic and we deserve as bad as we get. Believe me, the worst is yet to come. People need to wake up.

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» Hire the ACLU, PLEASE! Posted by: feller
» RE: An insult to our democracy Posted by: monkeywrench
See, that was your first mistake
Posted by: ordaj on Jun 3, 2006 9:28 PM   
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Bush was NEVER a conservative. He's an Oligarch. He and his ilk say things you want to hear, but act in a manner all beneficial to themselves AND to the detriment of others (that's a bonus).

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» RE: See, that was your first mistake Posted by: SimmaDownNah!
It won't happen again
Posted by: kathat on Jun 4, 2006 11:15 AM   
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And I thought George Bush was a slow learner but Kennedy takes the cake.
The good news is that many states have taken steps to have paper trails that can be verified after election.
The single thing any of us can do to insure your vote is handled correctly is to vote an absentee ballot. You notify your area courthouse and get a paper ballot a few weeks before the election. You don't actually have to be on vacation or missing to use this way of voting. This should be the focus of anyone who wants to help. The elderly, the disabled, the poor can all vote this way. It eliminates many problems of no transportaion, long lines, not enough machines in some areas, etc... I think one state (Oregon?) even went to all paper voting for next election. Screw Diebold

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» RE: It won't happen again Posted by: Stephen Neitzke
» RE: It won't happen again Posted by: JERRYOHOLLOWAY
» RE: It won't happen again Posted by: monkeywrench
joeb
Posted by: joebatch on Jun 4, 2006 4:46 PM   
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IT IS ALREADY BEING TALKED ABOUT EXTENING BUSH"S IN OFFICE FOR ANOTHER TWO OR THREE YEARS BUCAUSE OF 'the war on teror' AND WE SHOULD NOT CHANGE COURSE AT THIS DANGERIOUS TIME FOR OUR COUNTRY. IT WAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT IN 04 BUT THIS TIME IT WILL HAPPEN,I DO BELIEVE THAT HE WILL NEVER LEAVE NO MATTER WHAT HE HAS TO TRUMP UP TO STAY IN THERE AND WILL THE AMERICIAN PEOPLE EVEN CARE OR NOTICE OR JUST WAIT TO VOTE FOR AMERICAN IDOL?

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It's time to start the revolution -- VOTE BY MAIL
Posted by: paul_revere on Jun 5, 2006 3:29 AM   
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Voting by mail is the best way to restore integrity to our voting process -- without a doubt!

I am in Oregon, the first and only state to vote exclusively by mail. It was sad to see people in Ohio getting the shaft by having to stand in the rain and cold waiting up to 9 hours to vote. No doubt this treatment, along with the secrecy behind the vote count, demoralized some Ohio voters to the point where they probably feel that their vote doesn't make a difference.

Oregon had the highest percentage of registered voters to cast ballots. In 2002 we had 81% participation by registered voters. In 2004, it was up to 83%.

My wife and I sat at our table, readied our pens and then cast our votes. We were able to discuss the issues with the information books at hand, and, along with our own convictions about the candidates, make decisions and mark our ballots. Then we placed the ballots in the appropriate envelopes. We could have mailed the ballots, but we opted to drive over to a designated drop box at a County Elections Office. It was one of the easiest things we have ever done.

Imagine if all those Ohio voters did this on Election Day? They would feel empowered because they could take part in our electoral process without taking off work or standing in the rain.

Our Secretary of State had an article published in the Washington Post on January 10, 2005 under the title: "Vote-by-Mail: The Real Winner Is Democracy" (Reposted at my website under the Blog.) Unfortunately, nobody listened and most keep squawking about a paper trail. Sorry, but the time has come to change the process. It does no good to cast a vote at a computer terminal. Mail is the easiest and best method. Any concerns about the counting can now be solely focused upon instead of also worrying about the casting of the vote. It wouldn't take much to establish bi-partisan or non-partisan counting groups within each state.

Here are some points:

1. With more people voting absentee, using mail balloting exclusively avoids election administrators from essentially conducting two elections – an absentee election and a polling place election. There is more room for corruption when election administration officials have to basically conduct two parallel systems.

2. Voter lists are much easier to accurately maintain with mail balloting. This is because ballots that are returned to election officials as undeliverable indicate registrations that must be checked. This helps election officials purge their registration rolls of ineligible voters.

3. A more informed voting public is cited as another advantage of mail-in balloting. If an individual has two weeks between when he or she receives a ballot and when it must be returned, this allows a better opportunity for voters to study the issues, to clarify any points of confusion, and get questions answered."

In the effort to reform the voting process as soon as possible and change the election system to vote-by-mail, it would be best to target those states that allow direct initiatives and begin to structure and promote a ballot measure in those states. You can find these states and the criteria for signatures and other details at www.electionsbymail.com

It's time to start the revolution -- non-violent and from within!

Go to www.electionsbymail.com

Peace!

Paul Revere

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Democrats, Wake Up, Fight Back
Posted by: BPCBob on Jun 5, 2006 8:10 AM   
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Democrats, wake up!! The Republicans have been shaping public opinion with lies for the last 20 years and it has worked beautifully for them. Their method is to saturate the the media and repeat the same lies over and over. Eventually everyone just starts assuming that what they say has validity.

Democrats have truth to work with in the facts about Republican election vote stealing behavior. Robert F. Kennedy’s article comes as close to proving the case as possible, use it.

When John Kerry says he suspects election fraud but can’t prove it, he is missing the point. Proving it doesn’t make any difference. Using it to shape public opinion does make a difference.

If the Democrats don’t get in the P.R. and marketing game by repeating the obvious truth over and over in the media, they will continue to loose to agressive Republican marketing and criminal manipulation of the aparatus of voting. Dem’s stop being afraid of Republican P.R. & marketing prowess and develop some of your own.

Get over the idea that you have to prove something to promote it. Polls don’t reflect some reality called the American people. Polls reflect people’s response to marketing campains. Use the truth in your marketing and you will be way ahead of the Republican’s after a few years of hard PR work. Don’t get in the game and you will continue to loose no matter whether you can prove them wrong or not.

On the talking points (you need some help in this area), Don’t say “Republicans stole the election”. Stop being self referential and say something like, “Republican’s committed massive election fraud”, “Republican’s stole the legitimate votes of 100’s of thousands of honest, hard working, American’s”, “Republican’s don’t just steal tax payer money and give it to their rich friends, they have the nerve to steal the votes of honest American’s”. Don’t use underclass, whimpy, language (like disenfranchised voters) in your talking points, most voters don’t want to self identify with being helpless and abused.

Get the point, you want to brand Republican’s as bad and Democrats as good. Use the truth to do it, but don’t wait for the truth to be proved in a court of law, or a thousand scientific papers. Republican’s don’t wait on truth, they know what they want and they market it relentlessly. Democrat’s don’t have to lie, but they do have to manipulate public opinion with agressive marketing. This also broadens the scope of acceptable debate and cuts into the effectiveness of the Republican tactic of distraction by derision.

Take this opportunity and run with it, it’s a two for one, brand Republicans as stealing the votes of individual American’s, and make it harder for them to succeed with vote rigging in the next election. If you don’t start now, it will be too late and they will steal another election.

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