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Is "Pro-choice" the best we can do?

Posted by Joshua Holland at 10:20 AM on January 22, 2006.


A rant about the need for an "anti-fucktard" movement
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They call us baby-killers and blood-thirsty perpetrators of infanticide. They harass women trying to get a safe, legal medical procedure with horrific insults. They display disgusting photographs of mangled fetuses - the result of emergency, late-term abortions. They blow up clinics and shoot doctors in the head while they're eating breakfast with their families.

And we call them "anti-choice." Real tough, that comeback. Is it really the best we can do?

I think not. So I, for one, am done with it. The language of "choice" is weak, passive and poorly reflects the true parameters of the debate.

Our opponents are hypocrites, hucksters and snake-oil salesmen and their followers, while perhaps well-intentioned, are ignorant dupes that buy into every straw man argument their leaders spin.

They wouldn't know a culture of life if it kicked them in the ass. They're addicted to the death-penalty; they love the most gruesome of wars.

Writing in the New York Times last week, evangelical Charles Marsh recalled the run-up to Iraq:

Many of the most respected voices in American evangelical circles blessed the president's war plans, even when doing so required them to recast Christian doctrine.

Charles Stanley, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Atlanta, whose weekly sermons are seen by millions of television viewers, led the charge with particular fervor. "We should offer to serve the war effort in any way possible," said Mr. Stanley, a former president of the Southern Baptist Convention. "God battles with people who oppose him, who fight against him and his followers."

[…]

For his part, Jerry Falwell boasted that "God is pro-war" in the title of an essay he wrote in 2004.

The war sermons rallied the evangelical congregations behind the invasion of Iraq. An astonishing 87 percent of all white evangelical Christians in the United States supported the president's decision in April 2003.

Pro-life? It's a Christo-fascist death-cult. They're not even anti-abortion; as I've said before, we're dealing with a movement that's about forcing women to bear children against their will. Their sole purpose is to make women who dare to enjoy a good romp outside of the bonds of matrimony pay a steep price for their "wicked immorality."

If they were anti-abortion, they wouldn't fight against reasonable efforts to cut down on unwanted pregnancies.

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, 50,000 abortions were avoided in 2000 because of emergency contraception. How many more abortions would never happen if Plan B were widely available over the counter? We've been waiting 1803 days to find out, because Bush's FDA is infected with righteous evangelical fury and won't approve the drug. They don't even want rape victims to have access to it in emergency rooms.

They preach "abstinence only."$270 million dollars in tax dollars goes into the movement, led by Wade Horn, a "father's rights advocate" on the far right who Bush appointed to the Department of Health and Human Services. The CDC reported that while abstinence-only programs delayed the start of sexual activity -- by 18 months -- when the kids did start shagging, a third of them used no contraception at all. Researchers at the University of Columbia say those that took abstinence pledges were "much less likely" to use contraception than other teens.

So it should be no surprise that, according to the UN Family Planning Agency--which the administration has done everything in its power to undermine-- our rate of pregnancy for women between the ages of 15 and 19 is 53 per 1000. Canada is at 16 per 1000, and those hedonistic, God-hating Europeans are almost all under 10 per 1000. The ever-permissive Netherlands joins the Swiss at just 5 pregnancies per 1000 teenage girls. Knocked up teens: a consequence of this deranged "culture of life."

And that namby-pamby "choice" frame makes it seem like we're talking about whether to have the salmon or the salad. Most women aren't really making a choice; they're responding to what's going on in their real lives. In a study of over 1200 women getting an abortion in 2004, 73 percent were doing so because they "couldn't afford a baby right now." Three quarters said that "having a child would interfere with education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%)" and almost four in 10 said "they had completed their childbearing" and already had kids to care for.

People are outraged that in China, women are forced to have abortions, but our own crazies want an overarching state to force women to have babies against their will. What's the difference?

Many of these are the same people who have apocalyptic visions of Judeo-Christian societies being over-run by hordes of fast-breeding Muslims. They're not anti-choice, they want to breed Christians. And if you're white, that's just a plus.

It's high time we get off the defensive and start getting tough with these people. So I'm not pro-choice anymore. I'm pro-sanity and anti-fucktard. Why not join me?

Posted in conjunction with Blog for Choice Day.

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Joshua Holland is a staff writer at Alternet and a regular contributor to The Gadflyer.


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Rhetoric, rhetoric, and then some more rhetoric!
Posted by: hcxholly on Jan 22, 2006 4:25 PM   
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By far the most outlandish post I've ever read on alternet.

Anti-fucktard? By grouping all anti-choice adherents into one hateful category, this article follows the same propaganda as those it opposes! All Christians (wait! they're the only opposition to abortion?) are murderers, you say... while "all" Christians say women who have abortions are murderers! That's just silly! While abortion is definately a heavily emotional topic (for good reason!) the amount of hate and rhetoric in this article renders it absolutely unsound in my opinion.

Make your argument (and there are good ones on both sides)- but don't fall victim so the same hate-speak your opposition uses. It makes your own opinion less valuable, I think.

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» When you're right, you're right ... Posted by: JoshuaHolland
yes!
Posted by: liberalibrarian on Jan 22, 2006 7:52 PM   
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Thank you, Joshua. And thank you for the statistics about the number of prevented pregnancies that could be had by "Plan B". A "Plan B" pill should be in every woman's medicine cabinet along with her diaphram or pills. It should be available at will. And abstinance? Phew--thank you for those statistics. The 53/1000 vs as low as 5/1000 in our cultural "arch-enemies" those radical Dutch? Yea for their side! Please wake me up and tell me when this fundie nightmare is over in this country.

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J's got it wrong
Posted by: vespasian01 on Jan 23, 2006 2:34 AM   
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Some of us, far from the Republican way of thinking and legislating, are just plain against killing; right across the board. A few points:
1) those being aborted often suffer hours of agony.
2) young girls (teens) are not told about this suffering and, in later years, suffer profound emotional trauma themselves, after learning the truth.
3) a pro-life stand, if consistent with opposition to other killing enterprises, is worthy.

How about teaching girls and young women to take responsibility for their behavior, you know, be strong. Any son I have is told HE is responsible for any behavior which might bring him harm (driving, etc). Are girls too delicate to learn a similar lesson?

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Dominion Over My Own Body
Posted by: Louisa on Jan 23, 2006 5:15 AM   
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I demand the right to complete dominion over my own body. No other human being, already born or yet to be born, has any claim upon my body. What I ingest, how I express my sexuality, how I use birth control, the things I choose to do should birth control fail me are all within my dominion. These are all deeply private matters and entirely within my power to control. I simply demand the recognition of the de facto right to do with my own body precisely as I will - the same right any man would demand over his own body. All others be warned: you have no power here, this is my body.

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IF
Posted by: benzene on Jan 23, 2006 5:47 AM   
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If we men could get pregnant, there'd be abortion carts on every corner right next to the hot dog vendors. And if we men had periods, there'd certainly be no war.

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Judges can't legislate from the bench,...
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Jan 23, 2006 6:02 AM   
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...but apparently, pharmacists can legislate over the counter. Apparently, a druggist by the name of Steve Mosher refuses to dispense emergency contraception even to women with prescriptions, and says if the law tries to make him, 'they can take their license and shove it,' a more or less direct quote. If it were up to me, I'd say 'Fine. Turn in your badge and find a new living, jackass. It's not your decision, pill monkey, and if you always had these principles, you should never have taken a job as a PHARMACIST!'

We're in the mess now where the decision to dispense EC is being left up to individual doctors, nurses and druggists, so women never know exactly who is going to help them. Some have even refused Preven to rape victims in casualty.

It's oh so simple; unreasonable restrictions on access to EC and abortion will NOT suddenly lead to abstinence, a lower birth rate and happy days; it'll mean a return to gin baths, wire coat hangers and life-threatening uterine infections. Why is this hard to understand?

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There is a consistent...
Posted by: drone on Jan 23, 2006 7:56 AM   
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metaphysical position for those that consider themselves pro-life. I'm one of the more radical posters here, and I'll even concede that. So if that's your larger point, V, I accept that.

THe problem I have with this as a defense against a generalization is that these folks are exceedingly rare. THe majority of pro-lifers are overwhelmingly the usual suspects devoted to capital punishment, nationalism and war, and the proliferation of socially cruel policy that claims that everyone else has responsiblities to suffer, but no themselves.

In that view, Joshua's post is dead on correct. It is true, however, that there are some philosophically-inclined persons that do have a very well thought-out position on the preservation of human life across the board, but these folks are very few and far between in the "pro-life" movement.

You should be able to glean that much from your basic GSS survey data as well, I think.

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» RE: There is a consistent... Posted by: JoshuaHolland
"No Assholes"
Posted by: Arianna on Jan 23, 2006 8:36 AM   
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I'm too timid for this, but it's good to see others aren't :)

Even here in mild-mannered, liberal Canada, the "Pro-Forced Childbirth"ers can be very aggressive and difficult to deal with.

I remember a while back (this past May), a grou of friends and I found out that there was going to be an Anti-Abortion rally in our city. Usually we'd have just marked this as a time to avoid the downtown until the crazies went away, but what struck us is that they were holding their rally at the National Human Rights Monument . We certainly weren't going to let them get away with that.

We applied for a permit to stage a counter-protest nearby, which we were told was approved by the city though, wonderfully, they didn't send the paperwork to us and we ended up having to move further off to the courthouse. We were still in clear view, however.

We asked the police present what areas were "OK" for us to protest in (our 50 versus the Forced Childbirth 300 or so), and were told that the Courthouse was fine to set up our displays/signs and hold our vigil, and that we could march along the sidewalk in front of the Human Rights Monument (which they had plastered with signs).

After holding a vigil in memory of the women killed/injured by backalley abortions and those who'd had to suffer through unwanted pregnancies, a rather dwindling number of us marched along the sidewalk chanting "Seperate Church and State" (it really has quite a catchy rhythm to it). Then, to our surprise (and the police doing nothing about it) we were charged by a group of those pillars of the pro-life Catholic Community, the Knights of Columbus, in their full regalia (I noticed at a gay-marriage rally, where I'd previously been pushed aroung by these bullies, that these guys carry *swords*, I mean, yes they're costume swords, but it's still freaking scary). This group of large men started pushing us (mostly women aged 18-30) into the street, in front of traffic (this was a fairly busy road in the downtown).

How very pro-life of them to try to throw a bunch of women in front of cars.

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Needed for the Wars
Posted by: the islander on Jan 23, 2006 9:22 AM   
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I'm with you, Josh. Thank you for that.
Babies are needed for the ongoing wars and the less thoughtful the parents and the less positive the circumstances into which they are born the easier they are to dominate and recruit.
It 's all based on the less-than-human status of women in the Republican book.

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Agree with pro-choice and win the war
Posted by: joncehart on Jan 23, 2006 9:55 AM   
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This response is proabably inappropriate for a rant. But since I share the rant down to my tippytoes, I feel OK about bringing in my other side to the issue. Yesterday William Saletaan wrote a get-smart op ed in the nytimes to us "pro-choice" folks. Here's his basic point:

To eliminate the moral battling back and forth, agree with your opponents about the simplest thing: It's bad to kill a fetus. Abortion is bad, and the ideal number of abortions is zero. But by conceding that, you don't end the debate, you narrow it. Once you agree that the goal is fewer abortions, the only thing left to debate is how to get there. Most people will tolerate it as a lesser evil or a temporary measure, but they'll never fully accept it. They want a world in which it's less necessary.
So, what we need is an explicit pro-choice war on the ABORTION RATE, coupled with a political message that anyone who stands in the way, yammering about chastity or a "culture of life," is not just anti-choice, but pro-abortion.
(emphasis added).

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/22/opinion/22saletan.html
January 22, 2006

Three Decades After Roe, a War We Can All Support
William Saletan

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what the hell
Posted by: mark on Jan 23, 2006 3:45 PM   
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brutal post, just fuckin awful.

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Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, No Contradiction. I
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 23, 2006 6:55 PM   
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Pro-life is not the same as anti-choice. I'm sorry, it's just not.

I say that because I consider myself pro-life, and I don't see driving abortion back to the back alley as consistent with that. I think that should be called Pro-Butchery.

There is no realistic effort from the supposed Pro-Life movement to even reduce the number abortions.

Remember C. Everett Koop, Reagan's pro-life Surgeon General? He ended up being hated by the Pro-Life crowd because, after all the time he spent looking at the issue, he told them, "The only way to stop abortion is to have foolproof birth control."

But the Pro-Life crowd isn't interested in stopping abortion. They don't even seem to care whether their actions are resulting in more abortions, which they are.

Most pro-choice types (which I consider myself - and if I have to chose sides, which sometimes I do, I definitely choose that one) are bewildered that the supposed pro-lifers are so uninterested preventing unwanted pregnancies (they will only advocate a method thoroughly and repeatedly proven not to work), nor in prenatal support (not to mention postnatal support). They don't seem to be interested in anything but overturning a law (well, and screaming at doctors, and making some women's experience even worse).

Trying to take the decision out of the individuals' hands results in a polarization of the issue - it's either wart removal or outright murder - that doesn't help their cause, because the majority, even those with reservations, are going to come down solidly on the wart-removal side.

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Pro-Life, Pro-Choice... II
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 23, 2006 6:56 PM   
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It's a lot more pro-life to hand out condoms than to scream "Baby killer!" And it's a lot more pro-life to say: Hey, it's your choice. No one's going to decide for you, but here's the support we're offering. And we're here if you want to talk about what we feel the right choice to make here.

Call that Pollyanna-ish if you like, or Hilary Clinton doublespeak, but to me it always been plain obvious. And I don't see why any politician couldn't say that without a hint of hypocrisy.

I read something a while ago on the Alternet about multiple abortions and was bewildered by it, because a lot of people I know, who react in horror when I say I'm pro-life, will then assert that multiple abortions should be banned.

Look, I'm sad for anyone who has to go through even one; and feel sorry for someone who goes through several... but I just don't get how that makes any difference. I mean, if you're pro-choice, you're pro-choice. It's not a one-time, get-out-of-pregnancy free card. It's a choice. Always.

If you're concerned about it, offer that woman birth control, sterilization (preferably reversible), counseling, whatever.

There are a lot of positive things we can do to dramatically reduce abortion, none of them involving legal sanction. Even if that nightmare came to pass, it's hard to imagine it doing better than the dramatic 90% lower rate we see in Holland (where a friend of mine was recently in a safe-sex commercial that would've driven the FCC bonkers). If we really want to reduce abortion, we could start with that as a model.

The very real and frightening battle to overturn Roe v. Wade is not about stopping abortion. It's only a question of making it lot more dangerous.

And in this climate of fear, we need to remember to applaud the courage of those who provide safe * abortions. And to fight to keep replacing that asterisk with "and legal".

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And...
Posted by: Kneel on Jan 23, 2006 8:22 PM   
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I did want to say impressive post. Well put.

Although one thing did leave me wondering:

Their sole purpose is to make women who dare to enjoy a good romp outside of the bonds of matrimony pay a steep price for their "wicked immorality."

Not sure what matrimony has to do with it. (If that was all it took, we could just up those temporary marriage deals and everybody could go home happy.)

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If I were to have an abortion,...
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Jan 24, 2006 6:16 PM   
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...I think I'd go the clinic in a wedding dress. Or maybe a nun's habit. Just to spite and confuse the bastards.

Or bring mustard and hot dog buns and ask them if they can spare any ketchup.

Start an 'Adopt A Foetus' stall near the protests.

Run a shooting gallery with Tiny Tears dolls with abortionists heads on them. I'd love to see the confused look on their faces, then.

Drag in coffins and mock-raise the dead who were killed in the ProLife Atrocities, for example, the Atomic Dogg Murders.

Maybe I'm preaching to the converted, and people already use these tactics, I don't know. They're welcome to them, but I think it's about protesting smarter as well as louder.

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ITS THE WORDS STUPID
Posted by: BAKslider on Jan 25, 2006 5:55 AM   
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The GOP knows all about wordsmithing issues. Their cute catch phrases for every political issue harmonize with the U.S. public's lack of interest in any true dialog.

One way we can fight back is to use the same tools. As an example I like the leftie moniker "progressive" much more than "liberal." Because it balances better with my new moniker for conservatives, "regressives." I think "progressives" and "regressives" frames the ideologies much more discriptively. Start using it. More at my humble site


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NO GOVERNMENT FORCED CHILDBIRTH
Posted by: DavidDiamond on Jan 25, 2006 11:18 AM   
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If we want to beat the regressives at their own wordsmithing game why not call the anti-abortion agenda exactly what it is: Government Forced Childbirth.

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In fact,...
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Jan 26, 2006 4:17 AM   
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...can anyone come up with a snappy phrase that can be used to properly describe the ProLife lobby, at least the extremist factions? Like ProWomb Hijacking, or something? Pro CarBombs? Full-term Terrorists?

Personally, I'd like to ask them this question; If you/your partner were pregnant, and you could see into the future, and knew that your child was going to grow up to be an abortionist no matter what, would an abortion be right? Then stand back and watch the smoke pour out of their ears.

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Definition of 'fucktard.'
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Jan 26, 2006 4:26 AM   
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Plus I'm not quite sure what a fucktard is.

Just a guess, but I think not only is Mr Holland calling them 'fucks,' he's calling them 'retards.' For economy of words, 'fucktard.' Stupid AND evil, a dangerous combination.

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