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Did Bush have the same intelligence?

Posted by Evan Derkacz at 8:25 AM on December 16, 2005.


Nope. And here's the proof.
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No jokes about the title of this post. It has nothing to do with Bush's intelligence, it has to do with intelligence intelligence -- though I know what you're thinking...

As the war began to look more and more quagmire-ish and the polls betrayed public opposition, members of congress began to make hay about having been deceived into voting to give Bush the power to go to war. They were told that there was evidence of this and that (you know this and that: this is WMD and that is Al Qaeda/Saddam operational ties) and that they ought to essentially trust the president.

Yes, we all could've told them that trusting this president was clearly a mistake but...

Bush's retort was that they all had access to the same intelligence, therefore they were deceived into nothing. Case closed. Except. Except Dianne Feinstein (D-deceived), according to Josh Marshall, "asked the non-partisan Congressional Research Service to look into the matter and report back whether or not what the president said is true."

"They reported back today. The verdict: not true."

Here's the opening (emphasis mine):

"By virtue of his constitutional role as commander-and-in-chief and head of the executive branch, the President has access to all national intelligence collected, analyzed and produced by the Intelligence Community. The President's position also affords him the authority - which, at certain times, has been aggressively asserted (1) - to restrict the flow of intelligence information to Congress and its two intelligence committees, which are charged with providing legislative oversight of the Intelligence Community. (2) As a result, the President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods. They, unlike Members of Congress, also have the authority to more extensively task the Intelligence Community, and its extensive cadre of analysts, for follow-up information. As a result, the President and his most senior advisors arguably are better positioned to assess the quality of the Community's intelligence more accurately than is Congress."
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of course he knew!
Posted by: abby on Dec 16, 2005 8:53 AM   
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Of course he knew what almost everyone else did not - at least for sure. But how can it be that so many ordinary citizens doubted him and felt certain that he was untruthful when the so-called bright, well-educated and well-informed members of Congress did not? Many of us begged him not to proceed with an invasion, while almost certainly believing that he had his mind made up to do so long ago. And this was long before the congressional doubts began to set in!!

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» RE: of course he knew! Posted by: abby
» RE: of course he knew! Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» RE: of course he knew! Posted by: Basenjis
So...
Posted by: Xynyx on Dec 16, 2005 8:53 AM   
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"Why didn't they?", asks Xynyx, rhetorically...

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» RE: So... Posted by: abby
Saying and proving is two difference things
Posted by: Conan the Younger on Dec 16, 2005 11:05 AM   
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There is no doubt that many members of Congress from both sides of the aisle felt doubt about what the President was saying, but they had no proof that he was lying. If a member of Congress is going to call the White House and everyone in it "a lying sack of s**t", they had better have proof. It is the dynamics of the situation that Bush was relying on to carry forward his agenda, namely, grabbing the initiative in the Energy Wars. He knew that it takes time for the truth to catch up to a lie. The bigger the lie, the longer it takes. Also, the more important the liar is, the harder it is to find the truth. Bush also knew that he had 9-11 and wrapping himself in the flag to use to slow down any truth speakers/seekers. That is why it took a flag bearer (think of "Ring Bearer" to get an idea of renown) of unquestionable bravery and renown to kick over the pedestal the White House had put Bush upon. Now the rotten stump is on its side and all of the corruption has been revealed, Bush is on his way out.

The next president of the US will be elected next Nov. because whoever is Speaker of the House in 2007 will be replacing Bush after he resigns before the end of 2007, aka. Nixon. By the way, Cheney will already be gone by then.

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BEFORE STOLEN 2000 ELECTION
Posted by: SALLY EVANS on Dec 16, 2005 8:49 PM   
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George W. Bush with the help of his father's U.S. Supreme? Court cronies stole the 2000 'selection' with every intention of invading Iraq. Bush, Cheney and Rice and the other mentally deranged like Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld could not wait to slaughter Iraqis with their "SHOCK AND AWE" nightmare. Rumsfeld sniggered continuously while talking about the murderous assault on innocents. Pope John Paul II warned Bush THREE TIMES that invading Iraq would be IMMORAL but Bush said God told him to go to war. Perhaps Bush misunderstood God; he must have told him to go to HELL!

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This was news?
Posted by: Longdream on Dec 17, 2005 12:03 PM   
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It's nice to have it written down someplace--thanks, Nancy--but did anyone believe that Congress has access to the same information that the President has, when the sources report to him, and information is disseminated at his discretion?

Yeah, Bush is a self-serving jackass, but more important to remember in this situation is that he's the most secretive President in our history, and he's given his executive privilege a lot of exercise cloaking information which would be embarassing to him, his father and his friends.

If you think he didn't have the intelligence spigot screwed down tight, you're probably a high-level red Republican grandfalloon or you go to church on the tv.

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Ken
Posted by: kencohen on Dec 17, 2005 8:59 PM   
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It was clear to so many of us that the propaganda build up to the pre-emptive, unilateral invasion was hyped-up, premeditated, bull designed clearly to justify the oil desires of the neocons. The Democrats simply sat on the hands and whimped out. Now that the house of cards are quickly collapsing, why has no one in Congress suggested that this administration has committed high crimes and misdomeanors? If a peccadillo with an intern is considered an impeachable offense, doesn't clear violations of Constitutional and International laws constitute treason to our national security?

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Ummm..
Posted by: kryptx on Dec 18, 2005 7:23 AM   
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Okay, so we know that the president's intelligence was different from congress's intelligence. But where's the evidence that this intelligence would have convinced Congress that we shouldn't go to war?

I know that it's so deeply ingrained in your hearts that Bush is a lying sack of s**t, but isn't that based primarily on the war? I didn't think progressives actually studied current events enough to be aware of the things the president has actually lied about. You just hang around AlterNet and MoveOn, right?

So on the war, if Bush wasn't lying, and the intelligence he had access to was actually more damning than that which was presented to Congress, how would you feel about the war? How would you feel about the president?

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» Ken Posted by: kencohen
» RE: Ummm.. Posted by: Longdream
iMPEACH THE CHIMP NOW!
Posted by: Oakland on Dec 18, 2005 6:54 PM   
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IMPEACH! IMPEACH! IMPEACH!
NIXON'S 2ND COUNT - ILLEGAL WIRE TAPPING
IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!!!!
NIXON'S 2ND COUNT - ILLEGAL WIRE TAPPING
IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!!!!

NO ONE DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED

IMPEACH! IMPEACH! IMPEACH!

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