Jehovah's Witnesses dissident speaks out on JW belief system.

A) They are at your door to recruit you for their watchtower society corporation,they will say that "we are just here to share a message from the Bible" this is deception right off.

B) Their 'message' creed is a false Gospel that Jesus had his second coming in 1914.The problem with this is it's not just a cute fairy tale,Jesus warned of the false prophets who would claim "..look he is here in the wilderness,or see here he is at the temple."

C) Their anti-blood transfusion ban against *whole blood* has killed thousands.

D) once they recruit you they will "love bomb" you in cult fashion to also recruit your family & friends or cut them off.
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Danny Haszard Jehovah's Witness X 33 years http://www.dannyhaszard.com

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There is no reason to tolerate stone age superstitions, primitive witch doctor practitioners and the various and assorted superstitions to have any legitimating presence. Religion is a mental poison that infects billions of people. As long as we have people who believe in stoneage superstitions and the fairy tales then engender, we will have situations like the Middle East, ignorant people savaging women in the name of their stupid malignant gods - YHWH, Allah - and all the rest of this crap.

Religion is a sickness. Reason and Science are the cures.

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Do you think there'd be chance of hiring Nicholas Sarcozy for a consulting gig in the US government....you know...to teach the "fundamentals" of Secularism to the superstitious rubes in congress?

Amerikans are absolutely the most stupid group in the Earth Collective!

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... is christianity supposed to help reform criminals when statistically so many of them are ostensibly christian to begin with?

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I suppose it does not matter that prayer has been found to be slightly more harmful to individuals than not being prayed for.

Researchers in the Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP), the largest study to examine the effects of intercessory prayer-prayer provided by others-evaluated the impact of such prayer on patients recovering from coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery.

Some patients were told they may or may not receive intercessory prayer: complications occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1) versus 51 percent of those who did not receive prayer (Group 2). Complications occurred in 59 percent of patients who were told they would receive prayer (Group 3) versus 52 percent, who also received prayer, but were uncertain of receiving it (Group 1). Major complications and thirty-day mortality were similar across the three groups.

Full link to the study:
http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html

I can only imagine if any other remedy had a slightly greater chance of doing more harm than good it that it wouldn’t be tossed to the trash heap of superstition and/ or mythology. Oh, yeah, that is the basis of ALL religion!

Let’s face it our elected officials are just whores to the pimps that elect them and give them money.

Most of their decisions are not based on fact or what is good for this country. It is based on what is good for THEM.

Until religion is exposed as the inane, toxic practice, it really is, and exorcised from this country, it will continue to go backwards to the dark ages religion came from.

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Just how smart do you think these types are anyway?lol

After all, they believe that some cosmic jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that's present in humanity because a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree?

Makes perfect sense.

As to the JW's~~~~

JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES

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When have the Amish ever taken money from anyone? These gentle people have never attempted to impose their beliefs or lifestyle on others. They don't show up on your doorstep every Saturday trying to con you out of your money or your soul. Their doctrines aren't based on tortured translations of the Bible, or the sick twistings of millionaire demagogues. They live in peace, and treat their neighbors with honesty and respect. Regardless of how the author, or his readers, feel about god and religion in general, placing these good folk among the sectarian swindlers constitutes a gratuitous abuse of the only real Christians I've ever met. Shame on you.

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If this is the direction our national health care laws are heading, the I absolutely demand that 'Kabala' be included in the list of Religious Health Laws! However, we must not forget the Native American use of 'burning sage' and sweat lodges. Another excellent health treatment which should be included in the 'plan' is Buddhist meditation. If the
Christian plan is used, then by all means ALL other religious health methods should be included,without exception.

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The Flying Spaghetti Monster (Blessed be His name)requires nothing more of his adherents (Pastafarians) than regular intake of high carbohydrate pasta.

We have faith that his noodly appendages will reach down and enfold us and cure any illness.

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We had a bible study last night at our church and talked about this new item as part of the national health care debate. First off to have a debate you need a bill and until we have something to actually look over the crazy talk about this or that is just a waste of time. The main point to keep in mind is that prayer works for the believer and anyone who doesn't believe in prayer it doesn't make prayer less powerful. BUT no one worth their saved selves would want reimbursement from the gov't for a prayer. BECAUSE the day the gov't give $$ for prayer is the day the gov't can have input on doctrine. So pray, don't pray, sin, ask for salvation or pay someone for services you think you need to pay for.

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I don't think the issue is quite so simple. There is ample evidence that a patient's state of mind materially affects their health. If prayer is used to engage the patient (as it appears here) and modify their mental state than it might well be medically beneficial. It should be allowed, or at least, one should examine the therapeutic value. The one place where I might agree with PZ is that this should extend to other sorts of alternative treatments that have the potential to affect mental health-making this solely Christian issue is quite plainly discriminatory and an example of state-sanctioned religious practice.

At the risk of opening up a can of worms-I'll refer to the other thread about the intolerance and dogmatism of atheists vs. "fundamentalists". To all those who believe atheists are just as intolerant-I ask you to carefully note my response, and challenge you to identify situations in which religious adherents would act similarly.

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I think it was called "The Inquisition."

On a more serious note, didn't Foucault talk about the "morality" based prisons in Discipline and Punish?

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http://tinyurl.com/yeeaxev

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

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Tell me this is a joke.

Please. Someone. Anyone. Tell me this is a joke. This is all just some big plan to get people to have a good laugh.

I'm an atheist, but I used to be a die-hard Catholic. Even when I was a Catholic, I acknowledged that god's going to do what he wants, so there's no use praying incessantly for someone to get better. Let alone CHARGING THAT SICK PERSON MONEY FOR IT!!!!!

I do believe that Jesus drove the merchants and money dealers OUT of the temple, yet modern Christians seem to have invited them IN, against their master's wishes...

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enquiring minds wanna know!

#@!

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I am starting a new Christian Science division called the Flying Spaghetti Monster chapter. Franchises are available for just $1. Here's how it works: franchisees will offer mutual intercessory prayer sessions over the internet. Each session will last 10 hours @ $1000.00 per hour. We will then bill each other $10,001.00 (the $1 is for my franchise fee), which is of course tax deductable. What about the income, I hear you ask. Well of course that will be earned off-shore in Pastafaria, dummy.

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Christians argue they are no longer under Mosaic Law, because Paul referred to his background as a former Pharisee and previous adherence to Mosaic Law as "so much garbage."

Nothing in the synoptic gospels suggests a break with Judaism. Jesus was called "Rabbi," meaning "Master" or "Teacher," 42 times in the gospels. Jesus' ministry was a rabbinic one. He went to the synagogue (Matthew 12:9), taught in the synagogues (Matthew 4:23, 13:54; Mark 1:39), expressed concern for Jairus, "one of the rulers of the synagogue" (Mark 5:36) and it "was his custom" to go to the synagogue (Luke 4:16).

Jesus himself said, "Do not suppose I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill...till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or tittle pass from the Law till all is fulfilled. Whoever, therefore, breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven...unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20)

Jesus also upheld the Torah in Luke 16:17: "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest portion of the Law to become invalid."

Nor do these words refer merely to the Ten Commandments. Jesus meant the entire Torah: 613 commandments. When a man asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus replied, "You know the commandments." He quoted not just the Ten Commandments, but a commandment from Leviticus 19:13 as well: "Do not defraud." (Mark 10:17-22)

Jesus' disciples were once accused by the scribes and Pharisees of violating rabbinical tradition (Matthew 15:1-2; Mark 7:5), but not biblical law. Jesus never says anywhere in the entire New Testament that the Law is abolished; this was Paul's theology.

Sometimes Christians cite Matthew 7:12, where Jesus says "Do unto others..." and this "covers" the Law and the prophets. But Jesus was merely repeating in the positive what Rabbi Hillel taught a generation earlier. No one took Hillel's words to mean the Law had been abolished--why should we assume this of Jesus?

If Jesus really came to abolish the Law and the prophets, Simon (Peter) would not have resisted a divine command to kill and eat both "clean" and "unclean" animals (Acts 10), nor would there have been a debate in the early church as to what extent the gentiles were to observe Mosaic Law (Acts 15). When Paul visited the church at Jerusalem, James and the elders told him all its members were "zealous for the Law," and they were worried because they heard rumors Paul was preaching against Mosaic Law (Acts 21). None of these events would have happened had Jesus really come to abolish the Law and the prophets.

Paul says if anyone has confidence in the Law, "I am ahead of him."

Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who said he did not come to abolish the Law and the prophets? Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who said whoever sets aside even the least of the Law's demands shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-19)?

Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who taught that following the commandments of God is the only way to eternal life (Mark 10:17-22)? Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus who said that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest portion of the Law to become invalid (Luke 16:17)?

Paul may have regarded the Law as "so much garbage," but it should be obvious JESUS DIDN'T THINK THE LAW WAS "GARBAGE"!

Christians believe in Paul, not Jesus. Bertrand Russell called Paul the "inventor" of Christianity.

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I'm generally impressed by the article, but also by books like "Healing the Family Tree", by Psychiatrist Dr. Ken McAll. He refers to many experiments using prayer and traditional methods that have had amazing results. I know that in many cases placebos have had good effects too, so I don't know how to evaluate this.

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And a clear answer, brothers and sisters. We should all become catholic, Christian Scientist, fundamentalist inmates and all of our needs will be met. In Oklahoma.

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We Pastafarians believe that eating Spaghetti (Sauce on his noodly appendages.) will keep us healthy and strong. Meatballs (Big balls-strong balls.) increase our virility.

If the other religious whackos get to take off for their idiocy, we should get the same privilege.

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Christians are ALREADY in self-imposed mental prisons.

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I have no issue with tax breaks to be prayed over while sick - on the condition that no other medical expenses can be deducted if you do so. Wonder how many people would take that deduction then. Hey, if that's where you place your faith over medicine, that's your business, just don't expect to have it both ways.

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Here in the new world, we invented laws to prevent old world religions from using murder here to prove which religion was the ''good one''.

Consider the methods currently used in the enforcement of religions here:

Religions and their military units, curse, condemn, invade, convert and murder God's Creation for ''god and country''.
Religions call God's Creation ''Born Sinner'', ''Pornography'', and ''Heathens Destined to hell''.
They teach children that to get to ''heaven'' they must curse themselves, and curse Humanity to ''hell'' to ''save'', ''souls''.
They forbid your knowledge of FRAGILE LIFE and FRAGILE HAPPINESS and call your admiration of Life, ''Lust''. They tell you that your Hormones were God's Mistake. They call your children ''bastards'' for being born without their ''holy'' permission.
Every prophet that ever walked the earth has warned Humanity not to worship false gods.
They were killed and crusified.
Nations and religions were invented by preachers and dictators to convert their populations into obedient soldiers, crusaders, missionaries and slaves who would be willing to slaughter their own brothers and sisters for ''god and country''.
They are pledged, allegianced, and indoctrinated into becoming Cannibals.
We have to watch each other's back and defend the future of life from the enforcement of flags and fables guarded by these invisible borders dividing Humanity from itself.

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