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Surprise, Surprise -- Republicans Even Opposed to Watered Down Health Reform

Posted by Chris Bowers, Open Left at 6:22 PM on August 17, 2009.


Six worthy items on health care for this evening.

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Six worthy items on health care for this evening (most of which were first posted on Open Left in Quick Hits):

  1. The RNC sends out a press release attacking the co-op proposal. No one could have predicted that Republicans would also not agree to the co-op "compromise" proposal, either. Just like no one could predict that Republicans will still attack the health care bill once co-ops are dropped, too.
  2. Republican Senator Chuck Grassley says that he will vote against health care reform, even if he receives every concession he asks for:
    In an interview today on MSNBC's "Morning Meeting with Dylan Ratigan," Senate Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R) said he'd vote against any health-care reform bill coming out of the committee unless it has wide support from Republicans -- even if the legislation contains EVERYTHING Grassley wants.

    "I am negotiating for Republicans," he said. "If I can't negotiate something that gets more than four Republicans, I'm not a good negotiator."

    Grassley will only vote for the bill if it is supported by a majority of Republicans. Given that the RNC is already attacking co-ops, that should be an easy bar to cross. It truly is a relief that Grassley is negotiating in good faith.

  3. Representative Anthony Weiner (D-NY), says that President Obama could lose "100 votes" in the House if the public option is dropped:
    WEINER: The President does seem like he's moving away from the public plan, and if he does, he's not going to pass a bill. Because there are just too many people in Washington who believe that the public plan was the only way that you effectively bring some downward pressure on prices, and if he says well we're not going to have that, then I'm not really quite sure what we're dong here.

    BECKY QUICK: So you would not vote for a bill that made it through, if it got through...

    WEINER: Not only I but I think there's probably a hundred members of the House, who believe for various reasons that you need to have something to bring down prices. Otherwise you're basically, what you're doing, you're keeping the cost arc. . . the CBO agrees with that. You know as it was, I think the public plan had been watered down so much. So if the President thinks he's cutting a deal to get Senate votes, he's probably losing House votes.

    It is a good thing that the Democratic leadership will be able to make up the votes by negotiating with Chuck Grassley and through Kent Conrad's co-op idea. Here is the video on Weiner:

  4. Joe Sestak (whose campaign I work for) seems to have found a way to avoid rowdy protesters at town halls: just hold the meetings in places where right-wingers feel uncomfortable about being loud and noisy. Recently, he has held two town halls, one in a predominantly African-American church, and another in a veteran's center. Neither event had significant protests.

    So, just find places wingers are scared of--like African American churches--and the protests melt away.

  5. Speaking of town halls, is the national news media just done with that story? There is virtually nothing about the health care protests today on the Elections section of Google News. Last week, there was virtually nothing but the town halls in that section of news. Either national news outlets are bored with the story, or there are more taken with the latest conflict: Dems vs. Dems on health care. Or both.

    As Democrats, we should have known all along that fighting with ourselves was a sure way to clear Republican protesters off the headlines. There are few stories the national political news media likes more than Dems vs. Dems.

  6. Here is a great speech by Howard Dean to fire you up on the health care fight:

    I spoke just before Howard did, and I remember almost nothing about what I said. Best speech I have heard in a while.

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Chris Bowers was a full-time editor at MyDD from May 2004 until June 2007. Some of his projects have included the creation of the Liberal Blog Advertising Network, the first scientifically random poll of progressive netroots activists, the Use It Or Lose It campaign, the nation's most accurate forecast of Democratic house pickups in 2006, and the 2006 Googlebomb the Elections campaign.


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Surprise?....NOT!
Posted by: wrinklemomma on Aug 17, 2009 6:56 PM   
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These guys LOST the election. THEY DON'T GET TO FRAME THE DEBATE! Will someone tell the White House we do NOT need to make the Republicans happy to get a bill passed. MOST of the country supports single-payer, so Mr. President and Congress- STAND AND DELIVER!!! The repugs will have to get used to the taste of losing.

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Inconceivable
Posted by: Ahimsa on Aug 17, 2009 9:21 PM   
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How is it that in recent polls, Republicans show as more trusted on health care?
How can democrats be so stupid to lose even when they win?
Guts? Have you guys heard about those? Hello?

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I'm sooooooo sick and tired of this.
Posted by: Quannah on Aug 17, 2009 9:40 PM   
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The Democrats need to write a book: 1001 Ways You Can Shoot Yourself in the Foot.

If all of us could figure out that the Republics never had any intention of "compromising" or "working on a bi-partisan basis" on healthcare reform or any other subject, WHY THE FUCK CAN'T THE DEMOCRATS UNDERSTAND THAT SIMPLE FACT???

They have even gone so far to state it categorically! "Healthcare reform will be Obama's 'Waterloo,' " said Senator Jim DeMint.

Today, Sen. Grassley said that there isn't a bill that he can vote for (not even his own compromise bill!) because he "can't sell it to enough Republicans." Like he even tried.

What is it going to take to get Democrats to realize that we have ALL HAD ENOUGH??? When are they going to get the message?

And, as if it isn't all bad enough, Obama send out his troops this weekend to say the public option isn't even an option anymore.

And who begins a political season saying he wants Single Payer, then, before any compromise even starts, he drops it down to a Public Option, and now it's "we're gonna do what the Republics want." That isn't compromise! That's capitulation!

God, I hope Obama doesn't have to sign any treaties in the future! Jeeeeeezus!

Time to country-shop again. This country is DONE.

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RE: I'm sooooooo sick and tired of this.
Posted by: tmginnova on Aug 18, 2009 8:28 AM   
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This is a very frustrating time. (I'm beginning to believe that too much watching cable TV or reading daily blogs on who's up and who's down can't be good for our mental health.)
I was with you on your post until some unfair attacks on Obama toward the end. Just to restate some facts:
-- Obama and his team never said the public option was no longer an option. They did recently say that there are a number of progressive values represented in health care reform worth fighting for and possibly different ways to get there, and you know what, they're right.
-- Obama several years ago said that if he could write health care policy from scratch, he would base it on single payer. He added (correctly) that this is not politically possible in the US. That was several years ago.
-- And of course he never said "we're gonna do what the Republicans want."
Let's see where we end up and how many people are helped by it. I suspect it will be positive (unless frustrated liberals end up helping the right wing shut down reform, for more decades).

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RE: I'm sooooooo sick and tired of this.
Posted by: Quannah on Aug 18, 2009 11:24 AM   
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Frustrating doesn't begin to cover it.

HHS Sec. Kathleen Sibelius this weekend on CNN's "State of the Union" and ABC's "This Week" stated that a government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul.

If there is no public option, where would the "competition" to force the insurance companies to hold down costs and charge reasonable rates come from? We certainly can't trust them to do "the right thing." If left to their own devices, we already know what will happen... it's why we're in the situation we find ourselves in today.

The Obama administration has backed off somewhat today, but yesterday they were touting the so-called "co-ops" as a "reasonable" alternative. That's ridiculous. Considering there is no good model for medical insurance cooperatives, and considering it would require billions in federal seed money to get them started, it's an attempt to head in the wrong direction from where we started in this debate. It's a march toward the Blue Dogs (this is Kent Conrad's baby, which should tell us all we need to know!) and Republics, but even the Republics are busy sharpening their knives in preparation of eviscerating the co-op plan.

I agree with this statement:

"Leaving private insurance companies the job of controlling the costs of health care is like making a pyromaniac the fire chief," Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-Brooklyn, Queens) said in a statement Monday."

Howard Dean agrees.

Obama promised that a public option was a MUST for health care reform on July 18, 2009, in his weekly radio address:

"[A]ny plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family."

So, don't accuse me of making "unfair attacks on Obama" when his OWN WORDS are what I am basing my opinions on.

He may not have said that he's going to do what the Republics want, but that is PRECISELY what he's doing. It's in the bill that Conrad and Grassley wrote. It's what the Republics have been screaming about, until now when it looks like it's a possibility, so naturally they are against it now. But they would be against ANYTHING THE DEMOCRATS PROPOSE.

Frustrated liberals should shut down a bad plan. I hope they do. The White House and the Blue Dogs are ignoring what their electorate voted them into office to do. At least THEY are responsive to what we want. The same can't be said of Obama.

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Congrats Obama!
Posted by: permanentilt on Aug 18, 2009 4:59 AM   
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You have finally reached the bi-partisan compromise you sought, BOTH PARTIES OPPOSE THE BILL!!! It is just too bad that opposing the bill means that the Republicans win.

Seeing him claim that dropping the public option is no big deal is finally the last straw for me. He has backed out of every single campaign promise I voted for him on. I have maintained support till now, but my support is gone. If this bill passes it will be "Reform" in name only. What reform is actually surviving?

If he keeps up this pace, I am not likely to vote at all in 2012, and if Health Care is never reformed, I am country shopping as well.

SCREW YOU OBAMA!

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