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Sarah Palin's Crazy 'Death Panels' Claim Gets a Thumbs Up from Giuliani

Posted by Matt Corley, Think Progress at 4:55 PM on August 13, 2009.


Way to add to the health reform debate Rudy.

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Yet another prominent Republican has endorsed former Alaska governor Sarah Palin’s astonishingly false claim, which she doubled down on today, that health care reform will lead to “death panels.” At the “GOPAC” political action committee convention in Illinois today, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani said that though there are no “death panels” in any legislation, they would probably happen any way:

 While the health care reform bill passed by the U.S. House may not spell out “death panels,” Giuliani said simple economics hint to him that the panels would happen under the plan.

“President Obama says he will cover 30 to 40 to 50 million people who are not covered now — without it costing any money,” Giuliani said. “This is absurd. Health care — in case the Obama Administration hasn’t noticed, is very expensive. They will have to cut other services, cut programs. They will have to be making decisions about people who are elderly.”

Pressed on whether he himself believed the legislation calls for “death panels” to recommend hospice instead of treatment for the elderly, Giuliani said, “The only way in which you can save money the way the president and the House claims is by reducing care. So it is natural that some people would believe, particularly since they have these provisions for end-of-life decision-making councils, that it is natural that people would suggest that one of the ways you would do that is to cut off care for the elderly. Whether they will do that or not I don’t know. … People assume these Death Panels will be created. They [Democratic legislators] have created that suggestion in the ambiguity of the legislation.”

 

There are no “end-of-life decision-making councils” in any of the legislation in Congress. The only end-of-life provisions is in the House bill and it would allow Medicare to pay doctors for voluntary counseling sessions that address end-of-life issues. Additionally, the Senate Finance Committee has ruled out any such provisions.

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Matt Corley is a Research Associate for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress.


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Watching the US Heatlh Reform
Posted by: Jennie on Aug 13, 2009 6:16 PM   
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debate from afar (in a country with a state run Health care system) I am beginning to entertain serious doubts about the sanity of US citizens. I do believe that the majority of you are rational beings but the 'Nazi'invectives, threats of violence and general 'the end is nigh' screams being inserted into the discourse makes me wonder.
P.S. I did like Jon Stewart's idea of the 'little box of crazy that Sarah Palin keeps by her bed.'

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» I have no doubts... Posted by: Steven Wanzell
Neo-con who speaks with forked tongue....
Posted by: wrinklemomma on Aug 13, 2009 6:44 PM   
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Rudy never did answer the question, he just played the ever-popular rightwing game "...I'm just sayin'....". Translation: "I know that this is bullshit, but if I fuel my deluded followers' pyschotic misperceptions, I'll get some cheap headlines, free entertainment watching the loonies rant, and maybe another chance at elective office."

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Rudy's police regularly played "death panel" with minorities...
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Aug 13, 2009 6:55 PM   
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so maybe he's on to something. Inside knowledge, "takes one to know one", and all that.

#@!

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So...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 13, 2009 7:35 PM   
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... no need to read the legislation... just make false assumptions based on something that hasn't happened in any industrialized nation and is downright unrealistic to an obscene degree.

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Although
Posted by: talkville on Aug 14, 2009 2:51 AM   
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I have not the economic, material or intellectual resources to delve deeply into these matters, I have it understood that a young, developing socio-path who rose to the "leadership" position in other times using the name "Hitler" was a great admirer and acolyte of the American Eugenics Movement of the late 19th and succeeding centuries.

Others who are well apt to admire such theorizing (and practice) are those in realms of moral philosophies relying on authoritarian or downright absolutist principles, one might think. Such specializations as the so-called "Behaviorist" and "Ego-based" psychologies do not lack in tendencies at least toward such 'goals' in realms of discipline, rule and domination and ascetic and therapeutic "practices".

I don't know, but it seems that a careful, clear and reasoned and reasoning dialogue in democratic conditions might just be worth pursuing.

Then again there are some who simply advocate not that older doctrine of "speak softly and carry a big stick" but rather "mumble, grumble, whisper and strategize and wield the Big Club as you go".

In either case, the Police and the Soldier (or "Warrior") decide.

I don't know, but it seems that Palin or Giuliani might not be the most clarifying or reasonable approaches possible in all these matters.

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» RE: Although Posted by: RobP
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Posted by: Electric Bill on Aug 14, 2009 5:55 AM   
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Rudolph never saw a lie he could bring himself to walk away from. Of all the Republicans on the national scene, he and Plain are the scaliest.

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That was the whole compromise with the blue dogs
Posted by: Erik1968 on Aug 14, 2009 6:42 AM   
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Remember? The blue dogs wouldn't get on board without "cost savings" in mediacare? Where do you think those cost savings are supposed to come from?

I want public, national health insurance. But make no mistake, there is a movement toward rationing of health care for those least able to afford it. A cynic would argue that the whole POINT of this fake health care debate is to codify rationing.

I'm a progressive. I oppose rationing. Instead of railing against Palin and Guiliana, maybe WE should be making sure it doesn't happen!

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Nutcases
Posted by: frank69 on Aug 14, 2009 8:13 AM   
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Both Palin and Giuliani are crazy nutcases.

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Mr. "Lets put Emergency Services HQ Under The WTC" Guliani?
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 14, 2009 8:54 AM   
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Brilliant!!
Then never get that faulty new communication system replaced....All after the first WTC bombing in '93!!
Rudy is an embarassement to all Italians- Dumbass !
My god a Parrot trained on to say one word would not repeat "9/11" as many times as this Bird Brain.

Heres the thing no one seems to mention Long Term Care facilities and Hospitals have been discussing "Living Wills", "Advance Directives" and "Power of Attorney for Heathcare" for over a Decade.
We have even had the right to 'pull tubes' which was at first not allowed.
Nor have they mentioned that if you CHOOSE not to make such decsions, the 'default' mode is any and all "heroic" measures will be used to sustain your life.
I should hope any Wise person who has at least reached middle age has thought about what dying maybe like, and perhaps thought what medical procedures they would want and not want under various conditions. If not, they are not only foolish, but deluded. We are all going to die- and seniors know this fact better than any other age group, and have had plenty of time to see it and contemplate it.
Believe it or not, the topic of Death and Dying is not a new subject for them- in fact they very likely discuss it far more often than others. It's not a Damn Secret!!!!
And what would blow the Townhollers minds even more- most advanced seniors welcome the chance to 'meet their maker', see heaven and their long departed loved ones.Those of the older generation of seniors seems so much more at ease with death, and even judgement, than their "Jr" Senior counterparts. Wonder Why? Guilty Conscience?
By the Way Rudy which 'wife' were you screwing around on when you let 3000+ people die because of your emergency services mismanagement- for 8 years!!! Rudy, sign none of these documents- you are gonna want to postpone your last day here for as long as possible, I'm Guessin'.

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I can't wait for my end-of-life session!
Posted by: imagreate on Aug 14, 2009 10:10 AM   
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If the House bill makes it, I can't wait for my end-of-life session. (Remember, the one that's "voluntary")? Voluntary, when defined in government-speak, is when you are given only one reasonable option and you "decide" to take it. Seriously, I don't think this whole health care overhaul is as scary as the far right makes it, but we DO need to keep any eye on things and QUESTION when things don't seem right...this is NOT the time for BLIND FOLLOWING. When it comes to governemnt, you NEVER KNOW. LOOK AT HISTORY! Sarah and Rudy might be a little nutty, but at least they balance out with the blind followers waving their pom-poms.

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Sour Grapes, Rudi?
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Aug 14, 2009 10:24 PM   
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Awww. Did li'l Rudi render him widd'l self politically impotent?

Viagra won't help you, I'm afraid. Just bask in your 'also-ran' glory and the empire you built on "public service". It's all you've got. Game over.

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Our current system has many "Death Panels"
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Aug 14, 2009 10:30 PM   
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Ask the survivors of those who are "denied" daily and wholesale by their "insurers".

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Who gives a crap what Rude-y says?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 15, 2009 9:36 PM   
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I always thought that Giuliani was a loudmouth and a moron, and this just serves to prove it.

I have become so dismayed and disoriented by the level of lying and distortion from the right and their canonization by the "news" media – along with abyssmally stupid pronouncements by our "leadership" that any sane adult would be embarrassed to utter in polite company – that I wake up many mornings feeling like I'm living in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" –– or in a Kafka nightmare.

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