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The Tragedy of Robert McNamara Does Not End With Vietnam

Posted by Will Bunch, Huffington Post at 9:51 AM on July 6, 2009.


McNamara was a warped prophet, a flesh-and-blood monument to the folly of militarism. And yet Americans failed to listen.
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Robert McNamara died today at age 93. As Secretary of Defense for Presidents John F. Kennedy and more notably Lyndon Johnson in the mid-1960s, it was McNamara who oversaw America's tragic military buildup in Vietnam. That made McNamara -- right up until today's news -- a vivid anti-icon to those Baby Boomers who opposed the war -- and I think you can make the case that his death is that of the most historical significance of the slew of recent "celebrity" passings, no matter how many millions of people are gathering outside the Staples Center to remember the Gloved One.

Bob McNamara was not a great man. He was a man with great intelligence that didn't prevent him from executing a plan that led to the unnecessary slaughter -- for reasons that remain hard to fully comprehend -- of tens of thousands of Americans and many more Vietnamese. He spent next four decades trying to come to terms with the banality of evil, with the horror of what he and those around him had done, but even his unusually candid apologies never seemed to go far enough:

The secretary of defense was a key figure in decisions to escalate the war between 1961 and 1965, and he readily concedes that the assumptions upon which he and his colleagues acted were badly flawed. They approached Vietnam, he recalls, with "sparse knowledge, scant experience and simplistic assumptions." Victims of their own "innocence and confidence," they foolishly viewed communism as monolithic, knew nothing about Indochina, and were "simple-minded" regarding the historical relationship between China and Vietnam. They badly misjudged Ho Chi Minh's nationalism and consistently overestimated South Vietnam's ability to survive. Regarding the key decisions of 1965, he admits he should have anticipated that bombing North Vietnam would lead to requests for ground troops. He concedes there should have been a public debate on the July 1965 decision for war. Over and over he acknowledges that he should have examined the unexamined assumptions, asked the unasked questions, and explored the readily dismissed alternatives.

The life of Robert McNamara was a personal tragedy, but it was also an American tragedy, our tragedy -- because even after McNamara spelled out everything that went so horribly wrong in Vietnam, he lived long enough to see a new generation of the self-appointed "best and brightest" in Washington pay absolutely no mind to the lessons of our recent past.

In Iraq, as in Vietnam, our policy-makers knew nothing or cared little about the long history and convoluted ethnic and religious politics of Mesopotamia's Fertile Crescent. In Iraq, as in Vietnam, there was no plan for the proper military follow-up to a period of "shock and awe" bombing. In Iraq, as in Vietnam, we totally misjudged the "nationalism" of the people who lived there and how they would react to a long American occupation. And perhaps most importantly, In Iraq, as in Vietnam, there was no real "public debate" as we marched headlong and foolishly into 2003 -- with way too many "unexamined assumptions," "unasked questions," and "readily dismissed alternatives."

I actually spoke, very briefly, on the phone with McNamara in early 2003 in an effort to interview him for the Philadelphia Daily News, where I am a reporter. Like a few other journalists in that critical hour, I was hoping some of his tragically acquired wisdom might infuse the tepid pre-war discussions, and like all other reporters in those pre-war months, he told me he was holding off on commenting (as noted in the link above, he had a lot to say in 2006...when it was too late). That was a damned shame -- even though I can't imagine it would have tipped the rigged scales.

 

Regardless of your religious or spiritual beliefs, it's hard not to imagine there wasn't some higher purpose to McNamara's longevity. You could argue that it was a cosmic punishment, of sorts, to live so many years with the searing memories of so many who died so horrifically because of his misguided decisions from the comforts of his big desk at the Pentagon. Or you argue that he was still here in the early 2000s as a kind of a warped prophet, a flesh-and-blood monument to the folly of militarism. If that is true, then the fact that America refused to pay any attention is Robert McNamara's greatest tragedy of all.

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The hero of Vietman?
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Jul 6, 2009 10:53 AM   
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X-Secretary of Defense during Vietnam Robert McNamara died at a ripe old age of 93. To bad others didn't have this long a life...the ones he thought were OK to kill for profit and Empire.

Once again a traitor and murderer for profit and Empire goes free in America because writers and media who fail to tell the truth (even today).

Many soldiers and their families (our debt and loss) in America and Vietnam suffered. Many millions in fact. He does not deserve a heroes funeral or attention on CSPAN.

Don't make a hero out of this man who lied and betrayed the world and America big time. Hope he goes straight to hell to meet President Johnson and Nixon (who also lied about Vietnam).

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» RE: The hero of Vietnam? Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
» Right On Bro Posted by: AlteredStates
I guess
Posted by: badkitty on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 AM   
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I guess the only people who would call Robert NcNamara "the hero of Vietnam" would be Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. It's odd that they would hatch the Afghanistan and Iraq disasters after having lived through the Vietnam era without having learned the lessons of that disaster. For every moron who supported our illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, I ask "What didn't you understand about our illegal war in Vietnam/Southeast Asia?" that we get to relive it.

For Obama, there is a lesson here. Based on the past, the time to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq is NOW. No surge, no base occupations, no nothing.

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McNamara no innocent victim
Posted by: Carts on Jul 7, 2009 2:12 AM   
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McNamara was actively involved in the "Tonkin Gulf" false flag "incident" in 1964 to set up for war in Vietnam.

The Pentagon Papers show the crims in the Whitehouse of Lies knew the history of Vietnam and that they would never win.

Vietnam was a theatrical holocaust designed to prove America's resolve to intimidate and bankrupt Russia.

JFK would never have committed ground troops - he sent advisers ONLY - just read Ellberg's "Secrets" - RFK thumps the table and says:

"Jack would NEVER have sent troops into Vietnam"

JFK was shot by LBJ and the JCS. Vietnam was the last straw after the Bay of Pigs - the JCS wanted war - and with LBJ and Nixon they got 10 years.

McNamara is as guilty as Himmler.

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Just an earlier Cheyney. He authored Gulf of Tonkin. Cheyney, 911. Both get away with it.
Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 7, 2009 2:53 AM   
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We can put the blame of Vietnam on Mcnamara. He was part of the Gulf of Tonkin scam, the lie which brought us the Vietnam War.

But is he the only person to blame........or LBJ?

No.........it is the press. There were those in the press that knew about the Gulf of Tonkin lies. But they were too chickenshit to do their job and let the American people know.
It is too late now to be brave about it. Many thousands of Americans, and more Vietnamese, died because the press had no guts.

Any thing different today?

No.

Alternet and the rest of the press are too chickenshit to investigate and expose 9/11 as the scam that it is. Cheney and Bush brought us 9/11, and we allow the press to keep it covered up.
Yes, millions don't believe the official story. But as long as the press keeps the story off the pages, most Americans will not believe that 911 is a lie no matter how obvious and glaring the facts.

We have tyrrany, because there are ALWAYS those, like McNamara and Cheyney, that will scheme for power and money and advantage.
But we have them only because our media refuses to go to the very heart of the lies and scams, like Gulf of Tonkin and 9/11.

It would be far easier, now, for the media to expose the lies that bring us the wars and occupations today. The evidence is overwhelming, the work is already done, and there is physical PROOF that they have lied about 911. Just the facts of collapse of the WTC would be enough to, in one day, convince the American people that one of the most horrific crimes in all history took place in front of our eyes. And there is a lot more about 911, which, when investigated, would prove Cheyney and Bush guilty. A decent, independent investigation would be all that is needed, but that won't happen until the press makes the American people aware that there has been a criminal coverup and complicity by the US government.

Most Americans, whether they admit it or not, believe the press. If they don't quite believe the msm, then they will go to the Alternative media, like Alternet. But Alternet and the rest of joined with the msm to coverup the truth of 911. And so most Americans, hearing some of the evidence of 911 truth, say to themselves, "well, if it were true, surely there would be one responsible media outlet, just one, that would tell us the truth".

Well, there isn't. It SHOULD be Alternet. Alternet goes where others don't, like in criticizing Israel. But Alternet has gone over seven years without a real expose' of the evidence of 911. One debate article, in which the few points about 9/11 truth were quickly countered. And then the rest of the articles about 911 were just a way to insult the movement and make sure no one else follows.

Our press was responsible for 58,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese being killed. But back then most journalists did not have a chance to know, early on, about the truth of Gulf of Tonkin.

Our press today is responsible for the deaths going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. But OUR press today, even the alternative media like Alternet, is responsible for every death and maiming. And all of the journalists today have easy access to the glaring truth of 911. They are all complicit in wars, the crimes.

Isn't there even ONE media outlet that is not criminal?

No.

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Aloha McNamera
Posted by: sowles on Jul 7, 2009 7:15 AM   
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THE GOOD DIE YOUNG

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Americans failed to listen?
Posted by: Aquinas on Jul 7, 2009 7:43 AM   
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Americans have always failed to listen! The voices of reason are loud and clear but we've always preferred the voices of the demagogues and pimps for the power structure. We've always chosen celebrity over substance!
We have the same grasp on reality as a new-born infant. We are not worthy of the task of self-governance as our history amply proves.
We richly deserve the current major unravelling of our society. Enjoy the slide down to ignominy.

I'm too old to muster the optimism required to see a brighter future; I'm resigned to our fate; our government has made a full-blown cynic out of me, as I watched each and every dream of mine shattered by the self-serving, monied scum who bought our government.

"Cynicism is but the smoke rising from the embers of unrealized dreams".

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Not a tragedy
Posted by: susanhathaway on Jul 7, 2009 9:36 AM   
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"Hamlet" is a tragedy. "Oedipus Rex" is a tragedy. Robert McNamara was a well educated, upper-class thug. Don't dignify him with the term "tragedy." He helped to orchestrate a disastrous, wasteful war and sought to overcome the bad publicity he received for that by apologizing--a few decades too late.

And the fact that U.S. decision-makers still won't heed the lessons that should have been learned from our involvement in Vietnam is not a tragedy, either; it's a disgrace.

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McNamara was the embodiment of
Posted by: bettyn on Jul 7, 2009 10:17 AM   
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all that is wrong with our military/industrial complex. The Bushes, Cheney and Rumsfeld happily carried on his follies.

Of course he died peacefully in his bed at a rip old age. Such men always do. Too bad so many of those men such evil individuals thought useful only as cannon fodder did not.

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McNamara
Posted by: Jaffe on Jul 7, 2009 10:48 AM   
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One doesn't wish to speak unkindly of the recently departed, but about McNamara certain things must be said.

In his 1996 mea culpa autobiography In Retrospect he actually admits that the US war in Vietnam and Cambodia was wrong, purposeless, even immoral; and moreover he realized the wrongness of the war even while he was conducting it as Secretary of Defense.

But on his book tours when he was questioned, at Harvard, for example, as to why he--one of the prime architects of the misguided war--didn't stop it, he actually became indignant. His mealy-mouthed explanation was that he was a member of the team and it wasn't his place to question his President.

But then while LBJ was still conducting the war McNamara resigned and became president of the World Bank. Why didn't he speak out against the war then? His ill-tempered response was that he was too busy with his demanding new obligations to raise the issue of the Vietnam War, immoral as it was.

In his last years the cyborg-like ex-technician of mass murder became teary-eyed as he reflected on his life. He wanted to make peace with his maker, but his piousness and hypocrisy were much too far advanced--at the expense of how many millions of Vietnamese and Americans killed or maimed in yet another misbegotten war?

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» RE: McNamara Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: McNamara-Hydra-headed Posted by: Jaffe
Vietnam and Mc Namara
Posted by: willymack on Jul 7, 2009 9:39 PM   
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I remember both as a Vietnam veteran and one who witnessed the Hippie scene, the protests in San Francisco, and the unnecessary and bloody chaos in the 'nam.
Mc Namara is one of those who are to blame for that phony war.
As bad as ol' Mac was, he doesn't hold a candle to rummie for pure, malevolent EVIL.

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