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Bernie Sanders Demands Democrats Commit To Stopping Health Care Filibuster

Posted by Sam Stein, Huffington Post at 3:16 PM on July 1, 2009.


Sanders' calls for simply taking the parliamentary hurdles out of the process.

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One of the Senate's most vocal progressives is demanding that the Democratic Party commit to voting against filibustering health care legislation now that, with the impending arrival of Al Franken, the party has 60 caucusing members.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), called on the White House and Democratic leadership in Congress to ensure that party members agree unanimously to support cloture on legislation that would revamp the nation's health care system. Democratic senators on the fence, he added, could still oppose the bill. But at the very least they should be required to let the legislation come to an up-or-down vote.

"I think that with Al Franken coming on board, you have effectively 60 Democrats in the caucus, 58 and two Independents," Sanders said in an interview with the Huffington Post. "I think the strategy should be to say, it doesn't take 60 votes to pass a piece of legislation. It takes 60 votes to stop a filibuster. I think the strategy should be that every Democrat, no matter whether or not they ultimately end up voting for the final bill, is to say we are going to vote together to stop a Republican filibuster. And if somebody who votes for that ends up saying, 'I'm not gonna vote for this bill, it's too radical, blah, blah, blah, that's fine.'"

"I think the idea of going to conservative Republicans, who are essentially representing the insurance companies and the drug companies, and watering down this bill substantially, rather than demanding we get 60 votes to stop the filibuster, I think that is a very wrong political strategy," Sanders added.

Coming hours after the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled Franken the winner in a nearly eight-month recount process, Sanders' remarks reflect what will likely be a more aggressive political ethos from within the Democratic Party. Having a sixtieth caucusing member in the Senate gives the party the margin it needs to stave off a Republican filibuster, which seems all but certain should health care reform include a public option for insurance coverage. But the reality remains that the Democratic caucus is far from united. Corralling all of its members behind one piece of health care legislation -- especially the public option -- remains elusive.

Sanders' advice, which he hinted at in a separate interview with the Washington Post's Ezra Klein, is to simply take the parliamentary hurdles out of the process. The Party wouldn't have to worry about whip counts and could, in the end, get a more favorable final product, he believes.

"I think that politically that is something everybody can handle. You say, 'Look, I think there should be a vote. I'm gonna vote against it for A, B and C reasons. But I think the process has to move forward and it's unacceptable that Republicans keep trying to stop everything," said the Vermont Independent, who added that "The White House could play a very important part in this process"

"I think it would be great if we could have 100 senators voting for this, but what is important is the product that you get, not bipartisanship," Sanders went on. "So we should ask Republicans to support it. If they choose not to they do so at their own political risk. The focus should be on a strong bill trying to get Republican support rather than a weak bipartisan bill."


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One of the Senate's most vocal progressives is demanding that the Democratic Party commit to voting against filibustering health care legislation now that, with the impending arrival of Al Franken, the party has 60 caucusing members.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), called on the White House and Democratic leadership in Congress to ensure that party members agree unanimously to support cloture on legislation that would revamp the nation's health care system. Democratic senators on the fence, he added, could still oppose the bill. But at the very least they should be required to let the legislation come to an up-or-down vote.

"I think that with Al Franken coming on board, you have effectively 60 Democrats in the caucus, 58 and two Independents," Sanders said in an interview with the Huffington Post. "I think the strategy should be to say, it doesn't take 60 votes to pass a piece of legislation. It takes 60 votes to stop a filibuster. I think the strategy should be that every Democrat, no matter whether or not they ultimately end up voting for the final bill, is to say we are going to vote together to stop a Republican filibuster. And if somebody who votes for that ends up saying, 'I'm not gonna vote for this bill, it's too radical, blah, blah, blah, that's fine.'"

"I think the idea of going to conservative Republicans, who are essentially representing the insurance companies and the drug companies, and watering down this bill substantially, rather than demanding we get 60 votes to stop the filibuster, I think that is a very wrong political strategy," Sanders added.

Coming hours after the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled Franken the winner in a nearly eight-month recount process, Sanders' remarks reflect what will likely be a more aggressive political ethos from within the Democratic Party. Having a sixtieth caucusing member in the Senate gives the party the margin it needs to stave off a Republican filibuster, which seems all but certain should health care reform include a public option for insurance coverage. But the reality remains that the Democratic caucus is far from united. Corralling all of its members behind one piece of health care legislation -- especially the public option -- remains elusive.

Sanders' advice, which he hinted at in a separate interview with the Washington Post's Ezra Klein, is to simply take the parliamentary hurdles out of the process. The Party wouldn't have to worry about whip counts and could, in the end, get a more favorable final product, he believes.

"I think that politically that is something everybody can handle. You say, 'Look, I think there should be a vote. I'm gonna vote against it for A, B and C reasons. But I think the process has to move forward and it's unacceptable that Republicans keep trying to stop everything," said the Vermont Independent, who added that "The White House could play a very important part in this process"

"I think it would be great if we could have 100 senators voting for this, but what is important is the product that you get, not bipartisanship," Sanders went on. "So we should ask Republicans to support it. If they choose not to they do so at their own political risk. The focus should be on a strong bill trying to get Republican support rather than a weak bipartisan bill."

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To this point, Senator Ben Nelson has hinted that he may oppose a public option for insurance coverage but has told constituents in Nebraska that he could very well support cloture despite opposing the bill itself. Other Democrats on the fence include Sens. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Kay Hagan, of North Carolina, and Diane Feinstein of California.

As for the actual legislation itself, Sanders said he expected a strong public option to come out of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions final product, But he worried that it would be "watered down" in order to bring Republican lawmakers on board. The concern, as Sanders expressed it, was that key Democrats in the process -- namely Senate Finance Committee Chairman Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont. -- were structuring their efforts to recruit Republican support rather than the best policy. He ridiculed the so-called "Coalition of the Willing," a group of four Republicans and three Democrats, organized by Baucus to help craft his reform proposal.

"The people who are sitting around who may determine health reform in the Senate are a majority of Republicans," Sanders said, incredulously.

In its place, Sanders proposed a Coalition of Unwilling -- as in a group of lawmakers unwilling to sacrifice a progressive bill for the sake of bipartisanship.

"Something is very wrong," he said. "What Sen. Baucus said is that the strategy should be to reach out to Republicans. All of them, without exception oppose a public plan. So what you'll end up having is a very weak piece of legislation probably regressively funded. My strategy is different."

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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C.


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God Bless Bernie
Posted by: JSquercia on Jul 1, 2009 3:43 PM   
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God Bless Bernie he has got it RIGHT . People forget that we used to have votes on controversial bills . The Clinton Tax increase that was so vital to creating the Budget Surplus only passed the Senate because Al Gore cast the deciding vote after a 50/50 tie .
It is only recently that the party of NO decided they would NOT present a better alternative but would prevent ANY bill by insuring that they had enough votes to stop cloture .
What REALLY scared me was an AD on TV that spoke of how wonderful Medicare Part D has been for the average person saving them almost 1200 a year on Medications . No mention of the premiums paid to obtain these savings . The Ad was of Course paid for by Big Pharma . What was scary was the end in which they asked you to call to get health care for all .They see another giveaway to themselves and the Insurance companies

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Baucus is a bought and paid for shill for the insurance industry
Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 1, 2009 8:03 PM   
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Baucus has received nearly $4 million from the health care and insurance industries whose fate his committee controls.

Where is the accountability and impartiality in this process?? This is the most brazen betrayal of the public trust imaginable!

It is so obvious what this man is doing by pandering to the Rethugs - he is hiding behind their skirts so he can "throw the game" without being called to account.

What happened to that liar Obama who said we would see accountability, transparency and change we could believe in?

Here we have one of the most central issues of our day and Obama is letting the foxes run wild through the hen house!

Let's rebrand that scoundrel Obama for what he truly is:

Obama is Bush

peace,
Paul

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Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich
Posted by: notinKansas on Jul 1, 2009 8:24 PM   
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I feel that the number of politicians who can really be trusted is pitifully small. Sanders is one. Kucinich is another. It would be interesting if a voter could say with his ballot - regardless of where they live - that they want a certain person to represent them, and then that person would have more than a single vote (based on the number of people choosing them as their representative).

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Class action Suit and Criminal Prosecution
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 2, 2009 5:39 AM   
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We The People were Granted the inalienable Right to "Life ,Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness" and health care is the fundemental element required to assure that Right. This is not just a civil Rights infraction, it is a criminal act of Reckless endangerment and Indifference to life.
This BS disclaimer of 'Affordable' healthcare is a blatant violation of Our Constitutional Rights. It is as egregious a crime as failing to call for help or provide assistance if someone is bleeding to death. There are at minium 46 million people who are being prohibited from maintaining Life, enjoying their Liberties and pursuing their definition of Happiness, because they lack adequate healthcare.
To block or oppose healthcare for all is rejecting the idea that America is the Beacon of hope for Humanity. It is relegating US to nothing more than a 3rd world Country who allows their people to die on the streets.
To deny All Americans the Right to adequate healthcare is an affront to Our American Values and Guiding principles- not to mention Immoral.
So there are currently 46+ million people who's Civil Rights are being violated,and as these people die, due to lack of healthcare, begin counting the number of 2nd degree murder charges to be levied against every Public Servant who denied them their right to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness'.As for those Citizens who have no qualms about this immorality- you can answer to your Maker. Single Payer is the most American and moral option. But a Public Option is at least a step in the right direction to regaining Our Moral Authority in the global community,( and in the Eyes of God?).
Don't call yourself a Faithful Christian if you fail to acknowldge the fact that, and follow the Acts of, Jesus who Tended to the poor and afflicted, never asking for payment and provided for their needs from his own resources and abilities.Interesting how quickly the Rightwingers forego Morality, and Christian teachings, when it might effect their pocketbooks.

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There's also reconciliation
Posted by: Aredee on Jul 2, 2009 5:49 AM   
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Bernie's right, of course, but whether his fellow Senators will go along with him is a big question mark.

One way to go is to treat health care as an appropriation via the process of reconciliation. That means it can't be filibustered, and only 51 votes in the Senate would get it through. Presidnet Obama has already approved this if all else fails.

When the GOP starts screaming, just remind them that this is how they got Bush's tax cuts for the rich passed.

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The 60th vote?
Posted by: LMNOP on Jul 2, 2009 5:54 AM   
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Betrayed again.

America: loathe it and leave it.

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» Bullshit, change it. Posted by: thekidde
» RE: The 60th vote? Posted by: Jill 2
» Yeah, what she said Posted by: LMNOP
REPUBS FOUGHT HOW MANY
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Jul 2, 2009 6:49 AM   
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Republicans fought most of these plus WWII Draft

1. social security act

2. medicare

3. gi bill of rights

4.national industrial recovery act

5.national housing act

6.federal communications act

7.national labor relations act-wagner act of 1935

8.fair labor standards act (min wage & max hours laws)

9.public works adm-works progress adm

10.civilian conservation act

11.Tennessee valley (power) authority

12.rural electrification act

13.full employment act

14.permanent school lunch program

15. Truman ended segregation in armed forces

16.veterans emergency housing act

17.public health service act

18.marshall plan

19.peace corps

20.aid to dependent children program

21.small business investment act

22.establishment of arms control and disarmament agency

23.consumer drug protection laws

24.equal pay act

25.manpower development and retraining act

26.clean air act

27.mental health and mental retardation act

28.college and vocational education act

29.civil rights act

30.voting rights act

82 TOTAL SEE ADDENDUMS

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» RE: PUBS FOUGHT HOW MANY Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY
» RE: PUBS FOUGHT HOW MANY Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY
Republicans aren't the only ones...
Posted by: lsmart on Jul 2, 2009 7:34 AM   
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Republicans aren't the only ones representing the insurance companies and the drug companies.

Follow the money to see who receives donations: OpenSecrets.

You can bet that if someone who receives donations from insurance and big pharma votes for the bill, they're getting something out of it.

I say watch out for the secret meetings and political handshakes.

These people are crazy and only have their self interests in mind.

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Another bad joke!
Posted by: Jill 2 on Jul 2, 2009 8:10 AM   
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What is Bernie Sanders smoking? He must know as well as the next political lout in Congress that the Democrats could have 90 Senators and they still would kow tow supinely in the face of a Republican filibuster. The Democrats are NOT interested in any real health care reform, just as they were NEVER interested in corralling Wall St. financial depravity. Those horses left the barn a long time ago. The truth be told, they NEVER were in the barn. All that remains is 'smoke and mirrors.' It is called the American way of Plutocracy, as served by the Democratic party, and their current oligarchic puppet, Barack Obama-(Jill Bains)

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Too bad
Posted by: willymack on Jul 2, 2009 10:18 AM   
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There's so much ass kissing and payola going on in congress and the senate. What's REALLY bad is that it's out there for everyone to see. Not only do these crooks not care about what we want and what's good for us, but that they take us for fools and expect us to believe their dirty lies.

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Go to Open Secrets.org
Posted by: PrimaDiva on Jul 2, 2009 2:10 PM   
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Look up Dem. Senators like Max Baucus MT, Diane Feinstein CA, Blanche Lincoln, AK, Mary Landreiu LA, Evan Bayh IN, Maria Cantwell,Patty Murray, and others who not only oppose Single Payer, but ANY REAL Public Option, and let them know that YOU know how much they took from the insurance companies, their lobbyists, pharmaceutical co.s, etc. and you not only won't support them for re-election, but you'll help find a progressive Primary opponent and campaign for him/her.

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I want Bernie Sanders to represent me
Posted by: notinKansas on Jul 2, 2009 10:48 PM   
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and Dennis Kucinich. Even though I live in Illinois.

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I SOMETIMES THINK THAT DEMOCRATS GET SO MAD AT THE DEMOCRATS IN WASHINGTON
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jul 3, 2009 9:29 PM   
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that they go to the polls and vote them out just to punish them. That, of course, means that you punish yourself even worse. Remember that back in the ninties 70% polled in favor of national health. The big money people poured big money into a campaign to defeat national health. The 70% that wanted government help is now 90%.

Everybody needs to check and take a wild guess at how much punishment is going to get passed out this time. The republicans already have their exit strategy planned. A wealthy republican will step up and give them a better job than their government job. All they have to do is to vote against us. Bipartisanship with this batch of right wing bastards is bullshit. It cannot exist.

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Health Care Reform....
Posted by: MargaretA on Jul 7, 2009 1:54 AM   
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Health care is a huge national concern. There's a lot of talk about health care reform, and the industry does need it, especially since so many people that are only after the most basic of care have to get emergency cash loans to cover something as simple as a simple antibiotics script, and a full third of the nation is without health insurance. The lead researcher for the Dartmouth Atlas of Health Care, Elliot Fisher, a practitioner for over 20 years, has pointed out that areas that spend more on health care interestingly spend more on unnecessary procedures, and have higher mortality rates. So why do we need payday cash advances for health care that is worse when more expensive?

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A point about Bernie Sanders Burlington VT
Posted by: lemojhon on Jul 26, 2009 4:57 AM   
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A point about Bernie Sanders Burlington VT has a legacy left to it by Bernie 51 percent of the elementary school children in Burlington live in poverty. %1 percent of Burlington Vt's children live in poverty and that was during the boom times gardening gravel.

Bernie has taxed productivity in Burlington and forced the capital intensive blue collar jobs out of town or out of state health insurance. a 20% tax on all new equipment has wrung all the promise from Burlington's blue collar.
51 percent of Burlington's children live in poverty.. Bernie Sanders legacy. If you think Bernie should be forming national policy think about the 51% of Burlington's children who live in poverty and ask yourself is that what cat dieses I want for my children?

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