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Kucinich: Troop Movements Are not a 'Withdrawal'

Posted by Staff, AlterNet at 5:21 PM on June 30, 2009.


In reality, this is a small step toward Iraqi sovereignty.

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Here's a release from Dennis Kucinich's office:

Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today made the following statement regarding the announcement that U.S. troops have left the cities and towns of Iraq and turned over formal security to Iraqi security forces.

“The withdrawal of some U.S. combat troops from Iraq’s cities is welcome and long overdue news.  However, it is important to remember that this is not the same as a withdrawal of U.S. troops and contractors from Iraq.  

“U.S. troop combat missions throughout Iraq are not scheduled to end until more than a year from now in August of 2010.  In addition, U.S. troops are not scheduled for a complete withdrawal for another two and a half years on December 31, 2011.  Rather, U.S. troops are leaving Iraqi cities for military bases in Iraq.  They are still in Iraq, and they can be summoned back at any time. 

“This is not a great victory for peace.  On May 19, the Christian Science Monitor reported that Iraqi and U.S. military officials virtually redrew the city limits of Baghdad in order to consider the Army’s Forward Operating Base Falcon as outside the city, despite every map of Baghdad clearly showing it with in city limits.  In fact, according to Section 24.3 of the “SOFA” U.S. troops can remain at any agreed upon facility.  The reported reason for this decision is to ensure U.S. troops are able to ‘help maintain security in south Baghdad along what were the fault lines in the sectarian war.’

“This troop movement should not be confused with a troop withdrawal from Iraq.  In reality, this is a small step toward Iraqi sovereignty as Iraqi security forces begin assuming greater control over security operations, but it is a long way from independence and a withdrawal of the U.S. military presence.”  

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Posted by: Spot on Jun 30, 2009 6:58 PM   
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Man, what a hero.

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Sometimes... I get SO ANGRY!!!
Posted by: Xynyx on Jun 30, 2009 10:11 PM   
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Why can't people just speak honestly and straightforwardly about things like this... like anything?!!! Why can't they just speak honestly about anything?!

I am SO GODDAMNED TIRED of hearing people bend words and redefine meanings so they can make statements that will appeal to the public.

Let me be clear about this:

I think people who are willing to do such things are untrustworthy and should not be allowed to participate in government. Ever.

And when they try, we should be allowed to burn them at the stake.

Earth... the human race... humanity... all of it... will never make it if we can't speak honestly about things.

I'm not in favor of just killing such people... actually... but they sure do piss me off... and I sure am pretty convinced they are the reason we're going to go extinct on this planet.

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Kuncinich replaces Emanuel
Posted by: weathered on Jul 1, 2009 2:46 AM   
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and America takes a positive step forward.

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Kucinich is my hero.
Posted by: Quannah on Jul 1, 2009 9:33 AM   
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There are still over 130,000 US troops in Iraq. (And at least that many more civilian contractors.) They are being moved back onto the mega-bases in Iraq, and are just being held there. But there are US military personnel still in Iraqi cities, working as "instructors" and "advisors."

I believe it's this month that the Iraqi people get to vote on forcing the Americans to leave Iraq -- on IRAQI terms. I think we all know how they will vote. And if the vote passes, ALL foreign troops must leave Iraq completely next summer.

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Re: Dennis Kucinich
Posted by: suzisrealtor on Jul 1, 2009 11:17 AM   
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Dennis Kucinich is one of the most honest congressmen I know. I admire his courage, when he is criticized by people on both sides of the aisle. He says it "like it is", whether it the popular thing to say, or not. He has good judgement when it comes to the right way to accomplish what is necessary to keep the world out of unnecessary wars.

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Personal Courage in Congress?
Posted by: joehill on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 AM   
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This is almost an oxymoron...but Dennis Kucinich is proof there is AT LEAST one of them.

I just hope that the people in his District realize what a real gem, an American Hero, that they have.

Keep up the fight Congressman!!

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Yes, Kucinich is one of the few trustworthy government officials
Posted by: ATH on Jul 1, 2009 12:19 PM   
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Dennis Kucinich is my favorite Congressman, and one of the very few I trust. He is one of the few that have truly pushed for accountability for the torture and murder by torture of the Iraqi and Afghan people, who had nothing to do with 9/11. Almost all the hi-jackers--according to the official conspiracy theory--were all Saudi Arabians, except for two. None were from Iraq. Yet, it is the Iraqi people who have suffered most from our illegal torture program. Now, Obama is keeping the Bush regime from being held accountable for their crimes. During Nurenberg, when we tried the Nazis for these same crimes--pre-emptive, aggressive attacks upon other sovereign countries, (set off when the Parliament building, or Reichstag building in Germany was burned down, and the Russians were blamed. We now know this was almost certainly an act of "false-flag" terrorism, where Hitler had the building burned down himself) and torture and other Crimes Against Humanity. Soon after the Reichstag Fire, Germany created a dept. very much like our Homeland Security dept. and implemented laws very similar to our "Patriot" Acts. It is a sign of a government moving to limit personal rights and civil liberties. We must never again allow this type of reaction to take place again, no matter WHAT happens. They still don't know for sure who even carried out the 9/11 attacks. Osama bin Laden has not been officialy accused. If you look at his file on the FBI's "Most Wanted" site, bin Laden is accussed of other acts of terrorism, but not 9/11, and the FBI admits this is because they have no actual proof of his involvement. Besides, if he had planned these attacks, he would have been bragging about it, instead of denying involvment! Why deny involvment, to only then leave a confession on some fuzzy tape (those billionaires just can't afford good cameras) in some house in Afghanistan that may have never even been found? This video is now widely viewed as a fake. The person in it looks nothing like O. bin Laden. It does beg the question, too, of why, on 9/11-9/12 when all other non-military flights were grounded why the one plane allowed out was a plane to fly all the members of the bin Laden family who were in the U.S. back to Saudi Arabia...maybe because they struck a deal to blame Osama bin Laden for the attacks?; but with a promise that he would never actually be caught. Perhaps because he was dying from renal failure?

They knew Kucinich was the real deal, and would have brought real change, unlike the broken promises of Obama, who becomes more like GWB every day, it seems. This is why Kucinich (along with Repub. Ron Paul) was dis-invited and not allowed to speak at some of the Presidential-Primary debates! When corporate network CEOs are deciding who the American people can and cannot hear, our democratic Republic has fallen and been replaced by corporatism, and a mix of the worst elements of communism and capitalism combined. The result is the same: an extremely wealthy oligarchy controlling all wealth, while the masses are left with less and less of the economic pie, and their rights are slowly taken away by scaring people into believing Big Brother will watch out for them, but they have to surrender all Civil Liberties in order to guarantee their safety. As Ben Franklin said, "He (or she) who will sacrifice essential liberties for the promise of temporary safety, deserves neither liberty nor safety."
I am out of space and will finish in a 2nd post.

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Yes, Kucinich is one of the few trustworthy government officials part 2
Posted by: ATH on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM   
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Yes, what I have described above is slightly hyperbolic...but how much? The fact that we can't say is very frightening to me. We must, to restore our democratic, constitutional Republic, do these things:
1. Reform campaign finance and get as much money out of politics as possible.
2. Destroy corporate "personhood" by revoking their 14 amendment rights, which they were never supposed to have anyway. These are corporations, not people. They have no allegiance to any country, only to profit, and they have no business having the rights of an individual combined with the near-infinite resources of a corporation.
3. Reform our financial system: reform the FED so it's not a private corporation acting like a public one, and to make its hitherto extremely secretive activities public. We need to re-back our money with silver, cap interest rates, but stop allowing the FED to artificially manipulate the market, which makes a free market system impossible. Money is supposed to be for everyone's benefit, and they shouldn't have to pay extreme interest rates--Usury--to borrow money. We must make our economy work for everyone; right now we live in an economy based on war, finance, and oil, and telecommunications, mostly. But weapons serve no other purpose in our society. This is one reason why the top 10% are insanely rich, while the rest of us live paycheck to paycheck or worse--in utter poverty. This must be changed, and it's a big topic.
4. Make our represenatives accountable once again, both for their actions, and to the Rule of Law. We must insure that GWB and Dick Cheney are eventually punsiehed for their crimes, along with the writers of the pseudo-legal "opinions" and any soldiers that participated in torture. We have never allowed "I was onl;y following orders," to be an excuse, and it shouldn't be an excuse for anyone else--although I think these people should perhaps be given the opportunity to testify for lesser charges, and their punishment should be less than those that created and ordered implementation of this illegal torture program.
There are more steps, but these are crucial. I'm out of space, I believe.

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Thank you Alternet
Posted by: blondesprite on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 PM   
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No where else does Kucinich get the print space and coverage he deserves.

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And, so...
Posted by: tomu4ia on Jul 1, 2009 7:55 PM   
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...if you think the charades in Iraq are heinous, how about the forces of dark status quo that deprived us of having Dennis as our president?

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Sovereignty - NOT!
Posted by: umrayya on Jul 1, 2009 11:08 PM   
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"In reality, this is a small step toward Iraqi sovereignty."

In reality it is nothing of the kind. It is nothing more than the reconfiguring of the occupation. It is not even really a withdrawal from the cities, since they have admitted that and undisclosed number of troops will continue to prowl - sorry, patrol - the streets of the cities. And, of course, the rest of the troops will be based surrounding the cities on the outskirts ready to come blasting in at any time.

Iraq will not have its sovereignty back until all the American forces have left the country, and the imperial citadel that they risibly call an embassy has been emptied and turned over to the Iraqis to demolish or use as they please.

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