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Kentucky Pastor Tells Followers to Bring Guns to Church

Posted by Melissa McEwan, Shakesville at 4:00 PM on June 26, 2009.


"Guns and God were part of the foundation of this country," said Ken Pagano . "I don't see any contradiction in this."

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If there's one question to which I've always longed for an answer, it's: Who Would Jesus Shoot?

Ken Pagano, the pastor of the New Bethel Church [in Louisville, KY], is passionate about gun rights. He shoots regularly at the local firing range, and his sermon two weeks ago was on "God, Guns, Gospel and Geometry." And on Saturday night, he is inviting his congregation of 150 and others to wear or carry their firearms into the sanctuary to "celebrate our rights as Americans!" as a promotional flier for the "open carry celebration" puts it.

"God and guns were part of the foundation of this country," Mr. Pagano, 49, said Wednesday in the small brick Assembly of God church, where a large wooden cross hung over the altar and two American flags jutted from side walls. "I don't see any contradiction in this. Not every Christian denomination is pacifist."

…"When someone from within the church tells me that being a Christian and having firearms are contradictions, that they're incompatible with the Gospel—baloney," he said. "As soon as you start saying that it's not something that Christians do, well, guns are just the foil. The issue now is the Gospel. So in a sense, it does become a crusade. Now the Gospel is at stake."Louisville is less than four hours away from Knoxville, TN, where, less than a year ago, Jim Adkisson walked into a church and opened fire, killing two people and injuring six more, for which he is now serving life in prison. So maybe this whole God-'n'-Guns bravado is a wee bit, um, insensitive, apart from everything else wrong with it.

Just sayin'.

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Melissa McEwan writes and edits the blog Shakespeare's Sister.


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Screw "What would Jesus do?" What would Pilate have done?
Posted by: pelican beak on Jun 26, 2009 5:32 PM   
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I'm guessing if guns had been around then, Jesus might have faced a firing squad.

If so, would Xtians wear guns the way they now wear crosses?

Rosary beads would perhaps be rosary bullets.
"Hail Mary, full of grace (BANG!), the Lord is with thee (BANG!)."

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» Nope Posted by: Swatopluk
» Really??? Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: eally??? Posted by: Swatopluk
» RE: Stop worrying about it Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Frothing mouth alert Posted by: wolfgangmo75
Crazy as a shithouse rat...
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Jun 26, 2009 9:32 PM   
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This is the craziest shit I've read today. OK, not the craziest; Mourners throwing teddy bears on MJs star in Hollywood seems a little crazier...

No wait...aw, fuckit, we've lost our minds.

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If you think that is crazy...
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jun 27, 2009 4:11 AM   
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Check out this “Christian supremacist” rhetoric,

The Cancer From Within

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» RE: If you think that is crazy... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: If you think that is crazy... Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: If you think that is crazy... Posted by: pelican beak
It is every Christian's duty to be in his own way a warrior for Christ.
Posted by: Vark on Jun 27, 2009 5:11 AM   
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The vigour and success of Christianity is due not only to the moral superiority of Christ's teaching but also to the fact that we, through God'd grace, make better firearms. We must confront evil where ever we can find it and must support our Christian military industrial complex.

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» Y'all got my vote... Posted by: CanuckKid
Otto
Posted by: otto on Jun 27, 2009 5:22 AM   
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Maybe we should change the motto on our coins from "In God We Trust" to "In Guns We Trust"!

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» RE: Otto Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» RE: Otto Posted by: hilaryuk
» It's "in greed we trust." Posted by: luzmejor
if everyone carried guns in church...
Posted by: ellie on Jun 27, 2009 5:25 AM   
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church would be as safe as a gun show... polite, rational, not knowing if the guy next to you has a rocket launcher hidden somewhere on his person... is the pastor going to shoot the person napping during his sermon (or ranting)???

the perfect wrap up of an irrational week in it-could-only-happen-in-america...

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My guns are REAL. Your god(s) is/are imaginary
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jun 27, 2009 6:16 AM   
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The collective brands of god(s) have murdered more human beings, rights, dignity, children's virginity, decency, truth and everything else than all of those killed by the OTHER thing which is a human INVENTION~~guns.

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Natural Conclusion?
Posted by: Jaipurr on Jun 27, 2009 6:30 AM   
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Yes, of course guns should be allowed in church. That is a fundamental freedom that should be encouraged! As, indeed, should be the right of every sane citizen, to lock the doors from the outside and encourage all of these retarded, lunatic and hypocritical fuckers to blast the hell? out of each other.
They would thus get their gun kicks and we would be rid of this pond-life scum.
I see this as a desirable and natural conclusion to gun worship.

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» RE: Natural Conclusion? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on Jun 27, 2009 8:14 AM   
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Can you say, "INBREEDING"??

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» Vark just did. Posted by: CanuckKid
Nothing Wrong With It
Posted by: snax on Jun 27, 2009 8:39 AM   
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Y'all need to spend some time in Kentucky to understand the lifestyle and mentality of those who live there.

Which would you rather: The gun toters bring their sidearms into the church? Or would you prefer that they left them in their cars, where they could get stolen?

The fact is, anybody who would carry into the church with this pastor's blessing would probably be doing it secretly without it.

If the pastor wants to make his church into a gun club, that's hardly a BFD. At least that way people KNOW which lunatics are actually carrying.

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» RE: Nothing Wrong With It? Posted by: luzmejor
So many generalizations in these posts...
Posted by: lightwing1 on Jun 27, 2009 9:58 AM   
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I am no fan of any organized religion. However, to each their own. Who does it harm for American citizens to exercise their legal rights in this manner? Is that not the point of the pluralistic society the Constitution purports to engender? I mean - how about a little horsetrading here? I'll see your gun-toting church-goers and raise you one hippy, eco-freak.

If we can ever get Americans to chill out about our individual differences, we might actually incite a common ground dialogue - now that would be truly revolutionary! Can't we all just get along?

If these boards are any indication - probably not. Tolerance of individual differences is just not the American way these days - either from the right or the left. We all want to narrow the spectrum to our own views and annihilate everyone else - immediately, if not sooner. I mean - anyone different is just too SCARY to contemplate and we can absolutely never consider these "others" as human beings because they are not like us. Right?

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» RE: One problem... Posted by: lightwing1
» RE: One problem... Posted by: hilaryuk
» RE: One problem... Posted by: lightwing1
I think it is awesome!!
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jun 27, 2009 11:27 AM   
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This is selective Darwinism at one of its shiniest moments.

Can't wait for an argument to break out and cull the heard a bit.

Yes, nnother proud Jesus moment. You ol right to lifers have outdid yourselves this time.

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pinkpatriot7
Posted by: trudi on Jun 27, 2009 11:35 AM   
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I'm rather ashamed to admit I'm from Kentucky after this story going viral. We're not all like that - please know this.

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» RE: pinkpatriot7 Posted by: luzmejor
» RE: pinkpatriot7 Posted by: luzmejor
» RE: pinkpatriot7 Posted by: Sister_Lauren
The question should really be...
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 27, 2009 11:50 AM   
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"But are they willing to USE them?"

I mean, there in the church. Thin the herd. It's a thought...

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a "sanctity-of-life" issue
Posted by: vasumurti on Jun 27, 2009 12:15 PM   
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A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a criminal assault or homicide, an attempted or completed suicide, or unintentional shooting than to kill or injure in self-defense. (Kellermann, AL et al, 1998 journal of Trauma, 42:263-67)

In the U.S., 8 children and teenagers are killed, and more than 47 are injured, by a firearm every day. (CDC, NCHS, December 2006)

The risk of homicide in the home is three times greater in households with guns. (Kellermann, et al, New England Journal of Medicine, 1993)

The risk of suicide is five times greater in households with guns. (Kellermann et al, New England journal of Medicine, 1992)

A 1990 law banning the sale of "Saturday Night Special" handguns in Maryland was associated with reduced use of these guns by criminals, and a 9% lower rate of firearm homicides in the state between 1990-1998 than would have been expected had there been no law.

Policies that deny handgun purchases to individuals with prior misdemeanor or felony convictions are associated with a decreased risk of subsequent convictions. Misdemeanants who had allowed to purchase handguns prior to the passage of a California state law prohibiting such purchases had a rate of criminal offending 29% higher than that among misdemeanants who were denied handgun purchases after the law took effect.

Every day in the U.S., 8 children and teenagers are killed and more than 47 are injured by a firearm.

In 2005, 595 California children and youth under age 21 were killed with firearms and 1,554 California children and youth under 21 were hospitalized with nonfatal firerarms injuries.

One-third of U.S. children live in homes with firearms. Almost half of homes with children and firearms keep a gun unlocked.

68% of the attackers in school shootings obtained the gun(s) from their own home or that of a relative. 61% of the attackers used handguns.

Many young children, including children as young as three years old, are strong enough to fire a handgun.

In 2004, guns killed:

5 people in New Zealand
37 in Sweden
56 in Australia
73 in England and Wales
184 in Canada

and 11,344 in the United States.

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article by Junling Hu
Posted by: vasumurti on Jun 27, 2009 12:21 PM   
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A gun is a consumer product, sold for money and purchased by individuals. While all consumer products including teddy bears are subject to strict federal laws, guns are given a free pass. There is no safety regulation on guns thanks to NRA’s lobbying effort. Unsafe guns lead to accidents and death of adults and children at home. The real suffers are gun owners.

A gun is also a lethal weapon. Falling into the wrong hand, it enables a criminal to kill, a gang member to fight, and a teenage to get revenge. Guns are more deadly than tobacco, alcohol or gambling combined. While all of these are off limit to youngsters, and a 20-year-old can be arrested for drinking beer, he can walk free for buying a gun.

The debate of gun laws is muffled by the slogan, “We need less government regulation”. It is as if government regulation is always a bad thing. These people ignore the fact that government regulates every aspect of our life today. From water to air, to drugs and toys, everything touching us is regulated by law. Without clean air act, we will be breathing dirty air ejected by power plants, we will be drinking unsafe water. Without government regulation, medicine with fatal side effects will not be pulled off shelves and toys with lead poison can stay on the market. Government regulation ensures our housing safety, our food quality, our driving safety (through speed limit and safety belt law). As we live in a society, government acts as the mediator and enforcer that no individual can do.

The freedom of owning a gun has little to do with abiding gun laws. Everyone can own a automobile, but they still need to register and get license for their cars. Everyone has the freedom of owning a house, but they still have to watch for zoning regulation and fire safety requirements.

Sensible gun laws governs manufacturing standard, product safety, and accessible by minors and criminals. Sensible gun laws ensure the safety of our street, our school, and most importantly the safety of our home.

Common sense gun laws such as closing gun show loophole, assault weapon ban, and child-lock are fundamentally needed to ensure guns not fall into wrong hands. Yet, all these basic laws are fought against by NRA lobby. How far can we go in this extremist view of so-called “individual freedom”? The consequence of suffering is demonstrated by deadly shooting every day, in every corner of America. Each day, more than 80 people die from gun shooting, from accidents at home, to dispute with neighbor, to random shooting on the street. The deadly consequence of “gun freedom” is the death of our young, 4-year-old shot while playing with guns, 15-year-old while in heat of argument, 19-year-old walking out of a nightclub.

America does not have to be a society soaked in blood, because the bloody consequence was caused by powerful gun lobby that stripped away our basic protection from law. Let’s work to enact sensible gun laws. We ask for sensible regulation on guns, as we ask for regulation on food and drugs. Gun issue is no longer a private matter but a public safety issue. It affects all of us. Let’s pass sensible gun laws now.

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» RE: article by Junling Hu Posted by: luzmejor
ohhh... so now I understand what religion is all about...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 27, 2009 2:52 PM   
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...down in the bible belt...

do they actually educate people down there...

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"Just sayin"
Posted by: Archie1954 on Jun 27, 2009 8:53 PM   
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the truth!

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If it hasn't been changed recently...
Posted by: Swatopluk on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 AM   
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In one US state there remains a law on the books that requires people to bring loaded guns to church. The reasoning has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. It was meant as a precaution against Indian raids. I guess
a) few know of that law and even fewer follow it.
b) dropping it would likely cause a NRA campaign

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Shooting his mouth off
Posted by: inprov73 on Jun 28, 2009 10:54 AM   
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"When someone from within the church tells me that being a Christian and having firearms are contradictions, that they're incompatible with the Gospel—baloney"
Yeah, I just love that part in the Gospels where Jesus opens up on the Moneylenders with his AK-47.

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» RE: Shooting his mouth off Posted by: Swatopluk
Why unloaded??
Posted by: bitsfick on Jun 29, 2009 7:51 AM   
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And did he check to make sure the guns were unloaded?

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