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Note to the GOP: Without a Public Option, It's Not Really "Reform"

Posted by Hunter, Daily Kos at 1:43 PM on June 18, 2009.


76% of Americans want a "public option." That's a mandate, and our lawmakers should start listening to them rather than health insurance lobbyists.

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Add Tom Daschle to the list of people who think that serious healthcare reform is simply not possible, and so instead we should all reach for the consolation prize of substanceless bipartisanship:

In an attempt at bipartisanship, three former majority leaders of the U.S. Senate, Tom Daschle, Howard Baker, and Bob Dole, offered their solution today to the biggest obstacle to achieving health care reform -- a public option.

"While I feel very strongly that consumers should have the choice of a national, Medicare-like plan, my colleagues do not. . . But we were concerned that the ongoing health reform debate is beginning to show signs of fracture on the public plan issue, so in order to advance the process of developing bipartisan legislation and to move it forward, it's time to find consensus here," Daschle said.

"We've come too far and gained too much momentum for our efforts to fail over disagreements on one single issue," he said.

If there's no public option, what the hell is there to legislate?

I'm not being facetious, I'm really asking.  What other "reforms" are they seriously thinking will make a bit of difference?  I find the whole thing to be a farce -- if you're not talking about a public option, you're not seriously "reforming" squat, you're just picking out new color schemes for your already burned-down house.

Case in point: California has a law saying you can't raise health insurance premiums more than a certain percentage each year. So our insurance company, every year, "discontinues" our previous insurance plan, forcing us to choose a "new" one that's almost exactly the same, but with a higher premium. Since it's a new plan, after all, it doesn't count as raising rates on the old plan! A scam, yes, but one of the countless ways that health insurance companies skirt laws wherever possible in order to squeeze every ounce of profit from your relative levels of health or illness.

In the NBC poll, 76% of Americans wanted a public option to be made available. That's a mandate. For small business and the self employed, finding insurance is a nightmarish experience, and finding affordable insurance is simply impossible, for some. For large businesses, healthcare adds massive costs, representing a huge not-very-well-hidden tax on every aspect of labor.

The only major sources of opposition to a public option are the insurance companies, because they believe -- rightly -- that such an option would cut into their profits, and "free market" ideologues who simply believe that the government can't possibly do anything right if it doesn't involve paving roads or shooting guns.

Without a public option, I'd rather we stop the absurd talk of "reform" and recognize that any bill passed would mainly be for show, but if we were to seriously consider a bill without such an option, I think the one healthcare reform that would make a difference is to cancel govt health insurance for all senators, representatives, cabinet members, etc.

It's been proposed many times, but I do think it's long past time. Have the very senators and representatives who are against public health insurance spend the next few years trying to get healthcare on their own like the rest of us -- waiting months to see doctors, having to comb through lists of doctors too see which specialists you are "allowed" to see, spending countless hours on the phone with insurance companies fighting over individual bills -- I absolutely believe you'll have them socializing all of healthcare, no matter how much the goddamn lobbyists spend to woo them. For most of us in the ranks of the self-employed or -- heaven forfend -- the wrong age bracket, it's that infuriating.

Again, I point out -- 76% of Americans want this "public option." That's a mandate, as close as you can possibly get in red-blue-purple-whatever America. The fact that we're struggling to find 51 senators willing to do what the public demands, rather than what the insurance companies want, demonstrates how badly even three-quarters of America can be outnumbered by the interests of a single industry.

Of course the Republicans aren't going to go along. They have refused to go along with anything, ever, period, and consider that a badge of honor. Of course it's going to be difficult to get Democrats who are beholden to the insurance industry to buck their lobbyists -- but that doesn't mean they should easily be able to block what 76% of the public is demanding.

Nobody said this was going to be easy. So quit whining about "bipartisanship", quit wringing your hands over how dreadfully difficult it's going to be, and get on with it. Solving America's very large and very real health insurance crisis is more important, and even prominent Democrats are shrugging their shoulders in defeat before the first real shots have been fired.

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If the public option fails..
Posted by: CatDad on Jun 18, 2009 3:04 PM   
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Obama will personally be to blame...He has the power and the goodwill to get it through Congress...

George W. was able to ram a war with Iraq down the throats of a Congress and public that didn't want it...why can't Obama ram the public option given that the public wants it?

If he fails...in my mind he'll be on the road to being another Tom Bradley like black politician...an affirmative action crony of the power establishment...

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» RE: If the public option fails.. Posted by: reelectnoone
Bipartisan my #@%...
Posted by: Tim Brown on Jun 18, 2009 4:49 PM   
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I don't recall the GOP acting in a bipartisan manner over the past decade. In fact, they reveled in their ability to do whatever they wanted over the objections of the hapless Dems. Now, all of a sudden bipartisanship is so important?

The fact is that Daschle, Baker and Dole have taken millions from the health insurance industry over the course of their political careers and today their lobbying firms collect heavy fees from some of these very same insurers.

Daschle commented that, "We've come too far and gained too much momentum for our efforts to fail over disagreements on one single issue..." It's not one single issue, it's the only issue that matters. This traitor makes me ill enough to want to see a doctor, if I could afford it. All I can say, Tom, is thank the heavens you weren't selected as Obama's head of HHS. Now do the rest of us a favor and STFU...

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» RE: Bipartisan is a code word Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Not Just the GOP...
Posted by: adp3d on Jun 19, 2009 2:59 AM   
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...but way too many Democrats seem to be deaf to the clamor for the "Public Option" - even the Health Care Reformer-in-Chief...

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» RE: Not Just the GOP... Posted by: Basenjis
Public option?
Posted by: BeckyD on Jun 19, 2009 3:49 AM   
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Don't we already have a public option in Medicaid and SCHIP? Why aren't we just expanding eligibility so working people whose employers don't provide insurance or those who can't afford their own insurance can qualify for existing programs, rather than create a public insurance company to compete with private ones?

A poll may have found that a majority of Americans want a public option, but polls have also found that a majority of Americans with insurance are happy with our insurance and we don't want our employers to decide to dump it because of the availability of a public option.

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» RE: Public option? Posted by: reelectnoone
Citing Polls
Posted by: BeckyD on Jun 19, 2009 3:51 AM   
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Also, when writers here (and on other opinion sites) mention a poll, it would be very helpful to have a link to the original poll data. Cite your sources, please!

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» RE: Citing Polls Posted by: Sister_Lauren
I think the whole point...
Posted by: goeswithness on Jun 19, 2009 5:16 AM   
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...is that they're afraid of what'll happen when it works. Therefore they'll do what they can to keep it from existing, or if it does exist, they'll do their best to hamper it so that they can point to its failures and say "see, these things shouldn't be in the hands of the government."

Government programs shouldn't be in the hands of Republicans, because it is to their advantage that those programs fail and they do their best to make it happen.

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» RE: I think the whole point... Posted by: Basenjis
beware reform
Posted by: warrior woman on Jun 19, 2009 5:23 AM   
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When critics talk about a public option, they speak as though it's free. It would not be. We would pay premiums, with luck, according to our income level. There's a concerted media & congressional campaign to let us all know that this option "won't" work. WHy? Because the insurance companies and congress need protection. Ins co's for their profits and congressional representatives for their donations from the ins co's and lobbyists.

I like the idea of expanding medicare/SCIP to include the uninsured and to provide an umbrella to cover what those who are underinsured should have for coverage. It is in place and would only require congress to give the go ahead. Again, it's not free, premiums are paid, therefore, the cost to taxpayers is minimized. Look, if we can spend hundreds of billions on the war in Iraq and to bail out the banks, we can spend a few billion to provide healthcare for Americans

We must be careful, however, that the reform the bozos in congress are talking about is not taking the right away from people who are injured by drs and hospitals, the right to sue for negligence. That is one topic Obama spoke of this week. We must also safeguard against being required to purchase insurance from private companies. This could force people to pay ins premiums before they meet their basic needs for shelter, food and clothing. Of course, that's exactly what the ins co's want.

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» RE: beware reform Posted by: reelectnoone
Single payer - period. If people want to keep their shitty insurance, let them, but
Posted by: thekidde on Jun 19, 2009 5:28 AM   
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single payer is the only acceptable solution. Otherwise we should hit the streets just as the Iranians are doing and we should have done in 2000. Fuck this shit - time to kick some right=wing ass.

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popham.smith@gmail.com
Posted by: popham on Jun 19, 2009 6:07 AM   
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Single payer or public option? For several weeks I have been writing in my columns, blogging, and messaging news agencies with regards to a viable, cost effective alternative to our health care system. It is
called The Alexander McGee Medical Plan and it,
or some derivative of it, would serve to
supplant any of the 'governmental' proposals
being bandied about. The McGee Plan is a
co-operative program designed to meet the needs and budgets of most Americans. The idea
of a co-op is exciting people across the
country.
See my article,"Health Care-Who Cares-I Do" at
www.breakingnewsjournal.net for a brief history of health insurance in America and an
explanation of the McGee Plan.

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» RE: popham.smith@gmail.com Posted by: reelectnoone
» RE: popham.smith@gmail.com Posted by: Sister_Lauren
how to pay for health care public option/universal HC
Posted by: batteredup on Jun 19, 2009 8:44 AM   
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A big argument is forming to determine where the money will come from to pay the costs of a national health care plan to insure the 50 million uninsured and 100 million or so underinsured.
Some are pointing to higher taxes on the wealthier people, with stiff opposition, from, of course, the wealthier people. Maybe it could be scaled down to allow for modestly higher taxes to HELP defray the costs.
I'll take either.

Some suggest legalizing pot would pay the freight. An obvious solution to lots of problems; eliminate wasted taxpayer money on the legal and criminal systems, reclaim lost pot money going out of the country with drug cartel mobs, jobs created by growing, manufacturing, processing, transporting, storage, selling and the residual tax revenue make it so simple even a Congressman/woman should be able to see the benefits like most of us do. What holds legalization back? Probably the pot industry has failed to hire enough lobbyists to bribe legislation out of our honorable lawmakers.
So we can't count on the smoke from that pipe-dream clearing.

How about a simpler solution like those of us who need and want better insurance or any insurance for that matter, but can't afford the huge premiums for minimal coverage offered by the insurance cartel organize and PETITION the leaders in government with offers to support a tax increase to us single-payers, like they do in Europe, Canada, Japan and the rest of the civilized world, which would be deducted from our paychecks based on how much we can afford?
One guy who earns only $20K a year may be able to throw $25/week into the health care kitty. Another person making $30K, maybe $50/week and so on. With 80 million of us after the unemployed are removed from the list contributing specifically to a designated health care fund it should be enough to fund a good part of the program.

As a public option we can choose to enroll and pay the premiums or not if you're a stubborn, pig-headed republikkkan you can keep your insurance-company-run insurance you so desperately want to preserve and you can pay their higher premium for lower bennies.

It kills me; these same "say no to national health care" morons would love to have the same type of insurance federal employees have -and the same type we'll get under a public option, but when it's offered as a public option or under the universal health care banner, it's suddenly "socialized medicine" or tagged with some other inappropriately-named slur because the idiots in the GOP don't have the brains to design it or the guts to stand up to their pharma/insurance lobbyist pals. And if they don't present it, according to the fauxnewsrush,inc.lemmings, it can't be any good.

Let's start a letter-writing campaign to that good Irish kid in the whitehouse, Mr. O'
Bama and each member of the lobbyists' marionette show in Congress who are supposed to be representing us and OFFER to help pay for the public option. Organizing public support to help pay for the system by those who will be using it will back their stubborn asses into a corner they can't get out of.

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» Cost is a False Issue Posted by: FoonTheElder
tomfromillinois
Posted by: aries glenn on Jun 19, 2009 9:05 AM   
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I agree we need healthcare reform but we do not need government controlled reform. There are to many deceptions and untruths in the O'bamas description of the public health care plan.Both democrats and republicans must support a plan that gives families contol of their healtcare. Recognize that the individual states know better than the hacks in Washington.Central planning of health care will only be a disaster and will end up with corrupt politicians running the cost up quality down and patient care will be a disaster. Look only at the failed model they have in Cananda, France,and the United Kingdom.Why would any doctor in his right mind pay hundreds of thousands of dollars on education and training want to take a governmet mandated pay cut and still provide top notch medical care. We in both parties need to make it clear we need refom that is good for all americans not just those who vote for them. As far a bi partisianship give me a break we need to vote all of them out and bring in a fresh perspective to this government both sides of the isle

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» WHO's World health care ratings. Posted by: reelectnoone
» RE: tomfromillinois Posted by: reelectnoone
» RE: tomfromillinois Posted by: aries glenn
» Neo-Fascism is alive and well Posted by: FoonTheElder
Lies and more lies will be to blame if we don't get the option.
Posted by: reelectnoone on Jun 19, 2009 9:31 AM   
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Polls show people do want the public option.

Read the Consumer Reports Poll.

It will not be Obama's fault as someone said...it will be the fault of people buying into the lies being spread by those with a financial stake in the status-quo. This includes politicians who love getting fat donations from the Health Care Insurance industry. You can't blame the president for the greed of those in Congress who prefer the cash over care for all.

For those people the bottom line is profit not care. In order to protect their profits they will spend whatever it takes to buy seats in congress and to spread lies to the public to try to scare them away from a public option.

The public option IS the reform. Without it what do you really have? Nothing. Same players offering over priced insurance to those with the case while still leaving 40 million without any coverage.

Many ( not all ) republicans do not want ANY reform because it screws with the profits of some of their biggest contributors. There is no other reason for them to bash real reform.

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Underinsured 21 Year Old Dies for Lack of $5000 Co-Pay
Posted by: Brb007 on Jun 19, 2009 3:36 PM   
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This story should be one that ALL lawmakers are forced to read and answer to. I am posting it as many places as I can, in hopes that it will reach those who have some ability to influence change to our helathcare system.

The following just occurred, here in America, this week.

This week, a 21 year old woman, filled with life and joy and who was just beginning her adult life, succumbed to complications due to GALLSTONES. Yes, I said gallstones. She was employed and insured but lacked the $5000 co-pay for necessary surgery and was refused the surgery by multiple hospitals.

Jessica fell violently ill, lost her job, then lost her much needed insurance and could not afford treatment. After suffering horrible pain for months and making numerous trips to the ER, to be sent home each time with only pain meds, Jessica was rushed off to Intensive Care one day, suffering from sepsis and kidney failure due to the untreated gallstones.

Jessica was placed on a ventilator and slipped into a coma. After Medicaid finally stepped in, now that she had lost her job due to illness, and after nearly $500,000 worth of ICU treatment and dialysis which Medicaid had to pick up, Jessica DIED at 21 years of age ... all due to gallstones and a lack of the $5000 co-pay for surgery.

Please see the news links and coverage of this horrible, unnecessary event! This is AMERICA! Can't we do better for our citizens, for our young adults who are just beginning their lives?

An interview with Jessica's Mother at a TV station in Houston:

Interview

And an Op-Ed that Debby wrote (she is a reporter at a local newspaper):

Op-Ed by Mother

And Jessica's obituary, from the same paper.

Obituary

PLEASE, we need reform NOW. Share this with every Congressperson who will listen and read it! If this happened to one of their children, would that perhaps change their opinions and votes regarding health care reform?

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THE WEAKNESS OF OUR DEMOCRACY IS DEMONSTRATED BY EVERY WORD
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 19, 2009 7:49 PM   
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spoken/written on this page. The polling results vary according to who does it and how the questions are phrased. In the 1990's 70% said they wanted some form of government intervention in health care. The same question now gets a 90% response. If you tighten it down to a public plan it drops to the 70%.

The public has no say-so. The plutocrats do. They have bought our government. We look at the poor Iranians and feel sorry for them. Who is to feel sorry for us.

We have no democracy. I have no hint that anybody in government is going to voluntarily relinquish power. If some of us seem politically overwrought it might be it is because the problems that block a successful future for the United States are political. We rather hate to see our nation go down the tubes.

My suggestion to you is this. Train your children to leave the United States. They are going to need 4 languages. They should have academic power in at least two and conversational abilities in the other two. The United States is now in 30th place in the world when quality of life is measured. People came to the old United States for a better life. Is it time to leave?

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HR 676 seems to be the only answer so far let's get the message out...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 20, 2009 5:19 PM   
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Just what the hell are the peoples representatives doing and thinking when an overwhelming majority [76%] of the voting public demands real reform?

The Republicans are working seriously hard to undermine the only option [a publicly administered non-profit single desk system] and with it's inevitable demise their shot put back into mainstream acceptance!...
It's a win win situation for Republicans if the public option isn't even tabled for debate!

what a farce the political scene has become... lies and bullshit in a chocolate bar wrapper!
{but lets face it, it's still shit their selling you}

demand better from your representative!
get in there and demand a proper set of reforms that people can be proud of...

The Republicans would be a minority party for years with the passage of universal non-profit healthcare and the Republicans and all their plutocratic friends in power know it...
They are bringing out the big guns and any democrat friends they can find to undermine real reform in the name of bipartisanship, just to bullshit their way back into orifice.
Karl Rove couldn't have planned it better!

Lets bring on the debates and hear the arguments!
Lets see town hall meetings throughout the land and hear what the voters have to say!
we need a media outlet brave enough to cover this, maybe Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert could champion this as no other media outlet has the balls big enough to go head to head with the monied power's behind the scenes swinging there headchoppin axes

HR 676 is getting its ass kicked and and by so-called Progressives
selling there souls for 30 measly pieces of silver...


I seriously hate political sell-outs!!! progressives?
So that's what progressive politics means huh!
I don't think so!

THIS BILL NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT... NOW!

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Have you seen THIS yet?
Posted by: NickJones on Jun 21, 2009 12:04 AM   
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Baucus, White House in deal with drug industry

Can you feel the point of the knife entering your back yet?

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leftbank
Posted by: markw4786 on Jun 21, 2009 4:46 PM   
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It is not the Republican Party blocking single payer or the public option but the Dems.

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The Public Option IS healthcare Reform!!
Posted by: cdmsr on Jun 25, 2009 9:50 PM   
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The same poll cited shows that a majority of Americans -- even those like me who have insurance -- want Public Option because we are tired of fighting every inch to get the coverage we pay for. Insurance in this country is a scam. Private insurers routinely deny claims for covered care, raise copays, refuse coverage for doctor-ordered tests and procedures . . . having insurance is having a designated opponent to fight for benefits. At least you know who is trying to kill you.

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