...I like it.

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I'm all for making lemonade from lemons when you must.
But when you must, that means "things" are not going well.

The only levity about this is the author's torture/gallows humor -

"Dick Cheney's torture boner keeps knocking over expensive vases."
"Why not fill up the ol' pitcher and let Cheney see if he can get a confession out of Roeder?"

Many Xtian folk across this nation applaud the murder - some silently, and some out loud. When torture/gallows humor is all the rest of us can find to smile about, you know you've fallen into a bad situation.

When the "things" not going well are ignoring and overturning long-established laws, treaties, and policies implemented to ensure that your government is not a participant in human rights abuses, you know your country is deeply sick.

When the base of support for ignoring those laws, policies, and treaties are the church-going ones who call themselves the country's "values voters," you know it's the heart of your country that is most deeply sick.

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Reconciliation Forum - Russell Means speaks of the Indigenous Struggles

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No question in my mind, the man is a bona fide sadist - all we need is for some enterprising reporter to sneak into his closet & get pix of his leather lederhosen and autographed ball gag collection.

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...both members of the Religious Reich, the party of God.

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The real atrocity, other than the Torture, is that the Democrats we worked so hard to elect care so little about our Rule Of Law and Constitution that they Ignore Known Violators of Federal Anti-Torture Laws.

When they stand for re-election, they will claim to be Strong On Crime but it will be a lie. I wonder why anyone bothers to obey any Federal Law when you have the example of prominent Democratic Leaders refusing to prosecute known Federal Criminals?

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... make very sure if they believe they have done anything wrong. If not, then we must sure to screw ourselves.

Luckily, we have MSM that will get to the bottom of the beleifs of the accused. Do not bother the places addressed as "court" of law.

The notion of law means nothing if they believe it is wrong. See? It is right there in the children's textbooks.

FOX !!!SWEN

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Roeder was apparently first indoctrinated in to the Far Rights psychosis with the 'Anti Gov't' movement.These mental defects, want small gov't, but support such things as Wiretapping, federal regulations to control personal reproductive Decisions,Want a build up of foreign intervention and military conflict.
Scarborough was on Hardball yesterday- He claims that States should control the decsions on social issues like Abortion and Gay marriage....Joe Sweetheart State Gov't is still gov't. So basically Joe has an aversion to the Federal Gov't interferring in the 'Bedroom' but does not see the problem with State Gov'ts running rough shod over personal rights or decsions.
What part of the word 'United' eludes their comprehension? Seems they think We should re name ourselves 'The States of America'.why bother having a Founding document called the 'Constitution' when states constitutions and laws take precedence? these people dont' want to be part of a Unifed Country- they want to be their own countries merely held together by geographics.Talk about aspiring to become Europe!
Heres the reality, our country was founded with 13 states which agreed to be guided under teh Decalrations of certain documents. Territories were granted Statehood when they agreed to abid by those guiding principles.We did not get agreement from those above or below US- so they become (retained) their Own 'countryhood'.Thus to be considered a part of the UNITED STATES you must concede the Federal laws supercede the States. So do not Call yourself an "American Patriot" when you believe State Rights over ride Federal rights granted by our Founding Documents. What you are is a 'State Pat', thus one who would prefer an loosely affiliated conglomerate like the European Union.
Personally- good, Bad or indifferent I will always support and adhere to the Ideals of our Founders- "All for One and One for All"

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your idea is fantastically delightful!!!

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Until we begin to present to the American people the evidence that Cheney planned, executed, and covered up 911, there really is no reason to keep bashing the man.
It will go no where.

We need a new investigation of 911.
There is NO good reason to be avoiding the evidence that proves complicity of our government in the attacks of that day.

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Reminds me of the sea chanty "What'll you do with a drunken sailor?
1. Put him in the long boat till he's sober,
2. Keep him there and make 'im bale 'er.
3. Shave his belly with a rusty razor.
4. Put him in bed with the captain's daughter.
I personally wouldn't put him in bed with any sane woman. (Quite possibly the captain's daugher was insane) And I'd probably put him in the longboat for the same time as the detainees in Gitmo. But on the more serious side, he has been an embarassment to democracy worldwide.

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Cheney should be in prison awaiting trial for treason along with others in the Bush administration for numerous acts committed while they were in power. If we are imprisoning suspected spies for Cuba, I believe that Cheney et al should be getting the same treatment. As for Roederer, he's a domestic terrorist and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible for his murder of Dr. Teller under laws now in force for acts of terrorism. Anyone else who may be contemplating similar actions should be fully warned that terrorism committed on US soil will be treated most harshly.

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The very fact the man is bragging about the torture he was "happy" to use, means he shows no remorse. Find the bastard a cell!

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Is a useless by now, but he keep barking. I should freeze his assets, put him on food stamps to see what is poverty

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. . .like this one, simply make people feel good. Otherwise, they achieve nothing. It might as well be television for all it matters.

Generally speaking, when people are in junior high school, more or less, their identities are constructed in a lasting way. Identities and images that "work" are selected and become relied upon indefinitely. Twenty and thirty years later, they still approach problems and speak of themselves in terms that they established during this time, and in high school, and to a lesser extent, during college. Not only that, they maintain the physical image of themselves--hair style and dress, etc.--that they selected at that time.

As a nation, a similar process holds true: The early American nation defined itself self-consciously (and arbitrarily) and its approach to problem solving was to use violence; to kill. The previous inhabitants were dehumanized and killed. Food could be had for the shooting. Governments could be shaken off with violent revolution. Resources could be had as long as guns were leveled. "Foreigners" and non-whites could be eliminated from all competition with the whites by lynching, shooting, burning, etc. INterpersonal conflicts could and should be settled with duels, fueds, posses, vendettas, and bullets in general.

This worked. The American nation made its way by killing and this "worked." It has continued to be the way of choice for the nation whenever throwing money at problems, buying people and nations with money, hasn't worked. Coercion is the word for it. The American identity is fundamentally coercive. Lincoln used the bloody civil war to effect his vision. The few southerners that survived his war were serfs for the next hundred years. Now America attacks countries pre-emptively, unilaterally, rationalizes the destruction and killing with flimsy bunk, breaks down doors and kills outright the males, or confines and tortures them indefinitely. People on the streets still kill each other with guns every day. Presidents and civil rights leaders are assassinated with guns. Police coerce with tasers and frequently do to death innocent citizens. It goes on and on. Violence is at the core of the American nation. There is no way to remove it. It has been there from the start. We are now allowed to carry loaded guns into public parks. We want the world to give up nuclear weapons because we have tons of the most advanced non-nuclear weapons and only nuclear weapons are capable of holding invading Americans at bay and deterring them from invading any given nation. If all nations gave up their nuclear weapons, they would be completely vulnerable to America's overwhelming global military coercion.

It is hypocritical fantasy to imagine that America is actually what it has written about itself in several of its documents. It may be that Americans are the most detached from reality of any people in the world. They think that by saying or writing something, it becomes real; that words make reality over and above behavior. This is delusional. No matter what Jefferson wrote in his Declaration of Independence, it has never been so in reality. He wrote that all men are created equal while owning human beings as slaves and concubines. All the glorious rhetoric in the universe will not succeed in whitewashing into oblivion the deep sea of red blood that America has let over its five centuries of physical and ideological invasion. Count in the abortions of its own unborn, and the sea of blood is redoubled and fed by fresh streams every day.

It is absurd and hypocritical for killers to call for the deaths of killers because they are killers; and it is characteristically American to do so.

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According to Philip 'myth-maker' Zelikow, Exec. Director and primary editor of the Myth of Big Lies known as the 9/11 Commission Report, the tortures were integral to formulating the 9/11 Commission Report findings.

The piece-parts of the puzzle of 9/11 (a crime that was solved the next day with photos and names of the conspirators) were assembled with "made to order" confessions extracted with torture.

Of course, the tapes of those tortures will never be released.

Perhaps the videos weren't sufficiently convincing to leak to the public.

WHO REALLY DID 911 includes Philip 'Myth-maker' Zelikow who wrote a college thesis on the creation and preservation of public myth.

How convenient when torture brings confessions consistent with the quickly solved crime of 9/11.

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Waterboard Cheney until he promises to go home and STFU. Waterboard Reider until he tells us who his handlers are at Operation Rescue. (It doesn't make any difference if he lies just to stop the torture; at least we can get him to implicate a known terrorist group. For that matter, get him to implicate Bill O'Reilly while we're at it. If Cheney can torture people to get us into Iraq, we can waterboard people to shut down O.R. and Billo.)

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Can anyone tell me whether or not the information being provided here at AlterNet ever reaches any print media...a larger audience so that it is available for many more people to read. Also, please...would someone give me a list of FOX NOISE sponsors/advertisers and guide me as to whom I should direct my correspondence. We keep saying that we need to contact their sponsors/advertisers...but, who's going to do it? I'll do it. I am a writer...I just need the contact information.Thank you

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This BS is too cute by half. I didn't like it when I saw it on MSNBC two days ago and I don't like it now. Cheney may be mad and evil and Roeder is, no doubt. But it is wrong to be flippant about this shit. It is too sad and serious.

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We should take him, Cowboy Georgie, Rice and the rest of that scumbag, traitorous administration, arrest them all and try them for TREASON against the American people for lying to us to get us in a war we should have never started.

And then, when they're found guilty?

They should be lined up against a wall and shot for their crimes against the U.S.!

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