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Hidden or Not, Abu Ghraib Rapes Happened

Posted by Byard Duncan, AlterNet at 5:00 PM on May 28, 2009.


As the government battles it out with the media, the question of rapes gets diluted.

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Since the Obama administration went back on its promise to make public the newest set of photos from Abu Ghraib, there has sprouted a veritable bramble patch of conflicting reports about what is exactly in these pictures. London’s Daily Telegraph initially claimed that the photos being withheld showed instances of rape: “At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee,” the Telegraph reported. “Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.”
Then, only a few hours later, a Reuters article quoted the Pentagon ardently denying the Telegraph’s claims. "That news organization has completely mischaracterized the images," said Pentagon spokesman Brian Whitman. "None of the photos in question depict the images that are described in that article."
What seems to be at issue here is not necessarily whether or not the instances of rape and sexual abuse actually occurred, but whether or not it is these particular images that the Obama administration is withholding from the American people. So two larger questions still linger: Did prisoner rapes take place at Abu Ghraib? And are there pictures of these rapes?
Yes and yes, according to an article published in 2007 by Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker. An excerpt:
"Taguba said that he saw “a video of a male American soldier in uniform sodomizing a female detainee.” The video was not made public in any of the subsequent court proceedings, nor has there been any public government mention of it. Such images would have added an even more inflammatory element to the outcry over Abu Ghraib. “It’s bad enough that there were photographs of Arab men wearing women’s panties,” Taguba said.

So even if these photos aren't being hidden from the American people by Obama, where are they?
 

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By the time the truth really comes out, all of it, Americans will be "ho hum" about it. Like 9/11.
Posted by: pfgetty on May 29, 2009 2:45 AM   
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It really won't matter.
Find out all you want about torture.
Pile up the evidence.
And nothing will come of it.
If you've lived long enough, you know how these things go.

Americans don't stay interested very long. They can get blitzed with a subject on the media, get in a fury, and then they tire of the whole thing.
By next year, they won't care about torture.
And Cheney knows it.
All he has to do is keep the flies off of him for awhile.......keep 'em guessing. Make some excuses. Smoke and Mirrors for a while. And it won't be long before the press is on to something else and Americans are too weary about torture to care.

It is the same with 9/11 truth. If they can just keep it from the media for awhile more, a few more years, it will be a dried up subject, of no real consequence anymore for Americans. Then as the truth seeps to the naive and gullible, which includes most Americans, it won't matter. It will just be an area of interest for a fringe few.

These guys are getting away with the most horrific crimes of our lifetimes, and maybe in all American history. And it is the fault of the press. Alternet. Others.
While the press HAS brought us finally some truth about torture, it is far too late now, and it comes without the important context of the crimes of 9/11.........the government's complicity in that day. Because as long as 9/11 is hidden from the American people, Cheney has his excuse: he was just protecting Americans from another attack. That is bullshit, but it rings true because Americans have been kept from 9/11 truth by Alternet and the rest of the press.

They will get away with it all. And it is because the journalists we see and read in Alternet and in the rest of the media don't do their jobs.

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Disaster
Posted by: Ricardo R on May 29, 2009 4:26 AM   
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This administration is starting to bring trouble! A podcast is a web based broadcast, usually picked up by devices such as an iPod, that can broadcast just about anything, video, audio, you name it, and advertisers use them heavily. A cash advance to put together a really good one could be very well spent. Also, if you have a consulting business, providing information to internet companies about how to more effectively market their product or service, you could do very well with pay for podcasting. Some people will get a cash advance in order to link up and tune in to the right kind of podcast.

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Where are they?
Posted by: Erin on May 29, 2009 4:50 AM   
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They do exist, it did happen; so where are they??? Hidden or destroyed by the Obama administration, of course.

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» RE: Where are they? Posted by: Dak
Nazis and USA military
Posted by: arthur_ide on May 29, 2009 6:19 AM   
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It is past time that the military of the USA stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan be put on trial for crimes against humanity--for what they did "just following orders" is tantamount to what Nazi soldiers did "just following orders." Not only are the soldiers and other military personnel, guided by the nefarious CIA and Pentagon chiefs, the greatest criminals in the world but their nefarious actions must not be tolerated. The Judgment of Nuremberg--headed by an American jurist--said clearly that "just following orders" is no excuse, and the USA military, like the Nazi military, must pay the maximum price for its torture at Abu Gharib prison and elsewhere. It is irrelevant as to the gender or age of the military thugs--all must go.

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Uncle Tom Obama is an accomplice in Bush Junta's war crimes
Posted by: MeyravLevine on May 29, 2009 6:31 AM   
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nothing more to say...

It is the "Change" I don't believe in...

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IF YOU WERE ONE OF THE PRISONERS?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 29, 2009 8:51 AM   
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I understand why we're tired of secrecy. But this is not being withheld from us. We know what happened. But at some point it turns misery into a spectator sport. These are real people. They have a right to some privacy and respect. If I got raped under any cricumstances, that would be bad enough. It's not fair to victims to circultate their humiliating pictures around the world. They must have some say in this. People are still objecting to showing flag drapped coffins when we don't even know who's in them because it might offend the families. Why is it necessary to see a person's face while they are being violated in ways that most of us haven't even dreamed of. Give these poor people a break. ANNA

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makaainana
Posted by: Makaainana on May 29, 2009 12:15 AM   
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Rapes happened at Abu G. no they didn't.

Rapes happened at other prisons, no they didn't.

The pictures show this, no they don't.

Government needs more transparency. Sorry not here.

Transparency is exactly what is needed here. Creditability is at stake, both at home and internationally. We already have seen the President reverse his statements on other ideas, e.g. health care.

Lets hold a Congressional hearing and subpoena witnesses. Once under oath they could comment on the photos without showing them. The witness could be asked what they show and how bad they are.

That would answer the questions.

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Who Raped Who?
Posted by: BulldogRedeemer on May 29, 2009 10:27 AM   
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A couple of instances were mentioned in the article, but the big problem was the female American guards raping their male prisoners. And prisoners having to wear woman's panties! Torture!

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» RE: Who Raped Who? Posted by: Quannah
I got a silly idea
Posted by: willymack on May 29, 2009 11:51 AM   
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Let's get the bloody hell OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan. Today. Now. Then we can debate whether or not and/or to what extent torture and other crimes were committed. How about THAT?

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Are we really surprised by these revelations?
Posted by: RumbleFish on May 29, 2009 12:06 PM   
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Our soldiers were being told from the start that the Iraqi's were DIRECTLY involved in 9/11, and that as such, they were pieces of shit, to be treated in the worst possible ways. Raping, torturing, killing ANY of them was OK. They were made to believe that Muslims are less than human.They were told that we are the righteous Christians, and that the Muslims pray to a false idol. This was a Crusade! Bush even said as much.
I'm so sad, angry, and sick to my stomach at what the MOTHER F***ERS in the Bush admin. have done to our country, what they have done to INNOCENT Iraqi's and others, and how far down they have dragged us all. It's just so incredibly horrid.
I'm in my 40's and I'm sure I won't live to see the day that these BASTARDS are brought to justice...I F***ING HATE THEM ALL SO VERY MUCH.

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The other rape, West Virginia mountaintop removal
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on May 29, 2009 12:35 PM   
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If New York must have coal for your coal-fire plants, let’s at least buy coal that doesn’t come from blowing up the mountains.

Massey coal mine. It’s one of the worst strip mines, because this blasting, where he is, is actually jeopardizing an incredible coal slurry impoundment, that even according to Massey’s own evacuation plans, that if this coal slurry impoundment broke—and think about what happened last December in the TVA—but if this coal slurry impoundment broke, 998 people would have four minutes to flee.

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I URGE ALL OF YOU TO WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY (repost)
Posted by: Quannah on May 30, 2009 8:31 PM   
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It's called TORTURING DEMOCRACY and it is one of the most chilling things I've seen on this subject.

This is not something we can sweep under the rug and forget. These are REAL PEOPLE who have suffered horrendously at the hands of sadists at the very top of our government, and they MUST be held accountable for these crimes.

Every one of us needs to watch this documentary and see what has been done IN OUR NAME.

Any suggestions as to what we, collectively, can do is welcome. I'm numb after watching this. I don't know what can be done. But something HAS GOT TO BE DONE.

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