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Don't Fall for the Health Industry Barons' Empty Promises

Posted by Joshua Holland, AlterNet at 1:00 PM on May 11, 2009.


Obama is welcoming the health care lobby's Trojan Horse -- a pledge to cut the growth of costs to "only" 4.7 annually.

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I am awed at people's capacity for self-deception. On Monday, the Obama administration and SEIU joined with Big Health lobbyists to trot out a six-month old, non-specific, non-binding "promise" to cut the rate at which health care costs grow to "only" 4.7 percent annually.

This is very simple: the insurance, pharmaceutical and medical devices industries see the writing on the wall -- American health care puts an unsustainable economic burden on families and employers, leaves 47 million people without coverage and results in some of the worst outcomes in the industrial world. Fearful of a growing movement towards real, substantive reform, they are trying to co-opt the process under the guise of "getting a seat at the table."

There's no news here -- "voluntary" codes  of conduct, self-regulation and industry-driven initiatives for the private sector to address complex policy issues have long been a standard tactic for heading off real regulation, real accountability measures, systemic reforms.

America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) -- the insurance industry group descended from the organization that aired the infamous "Harry and Louise" campaign during the Clinton health care wars -- first trotted out this proposal 6 months ago. It wasn't big news then, but with Obama's nod and one of the major, ostensibly progressive players in the health care debate getting on board, it is now.

Earlier this month, AHIP also "surprised" more credulous observers by calling for more regulation of the health care industry! At the time, Congressional Quarterly noted the obvious:

Part of the reasoning behind the industry’s push for regulation may be that, with the momentum Democrats have built for a health care overhaul, private health insurers face two choices: change the way they do business, or face competition from a government-run insurance plan that many say would eventually run them out of business...

And with support building for a government-run insurance option with some limits on how it operates, [AHIP CEO Karen] Ignagni appears to be offering concessions: dodging the government-run plan in return for regulation that would more strictly guide how her member companies operate.

Surprisingly, many otherwise bright progressive minds are hailing this latest move as some sort of breakthrough in the fight for health care reform. Paul Krugman called it "some of the best policy news" he's heard in a long time. Bill Scher at Campaign for America's Future said the insurance industry is ready to "play ball" with the administration, even though the outlines of the proposal preceded Obama's inauguration by two months.

Never mind that there's little in the way of specifics. Never mind that this "proposal" is non-binding -- based on pixie  dust rather than any solid commitment to contain costs. A key question is this: the economy as a whole has grown by an average of 3.2 percent per year for the past three plus decades, and this is a commitment to reduce the growth in health care costs to 4.7 percent. How does that fix a system on which we already spend close to twice as much per person on care than other wealthy countries, and get consistently poorer results? (We rank 42nd in the world in infant mortality and 46th in life expectancy. According to a study conducted by the Commonwealth Fund comparing health care in six wealthy countries, the U.S. ranked “last on dimensions of access, patient safety, efficiency, and equity.” Among residents of 30 rich countries polled by Gallup, Americans came in 18th in terms of satisfaction with their care, despite the fact that we out-spend everyone else on the list by a significant amount.)

Here's the other key question: how can anyone expect a coalition with diametrically opposed interests to hold together?

This new alliance includes the Big Health lobby, the Obama administration and SEIU. The latter are advocates of what could indeed prove to be a game-changer: the creation of a public insurance option that would compete with  private insurers, and might eventually lead to something approaching a single-payer system.

The disease care industry is dead-set against adding a public insurance option to the country's health care mix. AHIP president Karen Ignagni, according to CQ, "has made clear" that her organization "would oppose any proposal with a government plan."

In March, SEIU was one of two unions to pull out of a similar "big tent" left-right coalition trying to address health care reform. The defining issue behind the rift, according to the New York Times, was that "agreement on two of the knottiest issues in the health care debate: whether to offer a new government-sponsored insurance option, and whether to require employers to help pay for employee health benefits" proved to be elusive. If someone can explain how these competing visions for reform can be reconciled now, I'm all ears.

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Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.


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Well, you're asking Congresscritters to do the maths.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 11, 2009 2:37 PM   
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A key question is this: the economy as a whole has grown by an average of 3.2 percent per year for the past three plus decades, and this is a commitment to reduce the growth in health care costs to 4.7 percent. How does that fix a system on which we already spend close to twice as much per person on care than other wealthy countries, and get consistently poorer results?

Projected expenses don't rate very high in D.C.-land, where the cost of things is measured both by the seats themselves as well as the bribes by the lobbies and special interests that are required to convince the electorate that politician ___________ wuvs babies more than pol __________. Or has better hair.

If fiscal viability--and we'll just chuck responsibility and accountability right out as impossible for paid-for politicians--was important, we'd see an honest assessment of so-called social security and medicare, instead of "nothing is wrong here" approach.

Or, more simply, you're asking people who can't be bothered to work on an entitlement system that is projected to eat up every single federal dollar by the time I'm ready to retire to give a hoot about a percent and a half difference between the cost of inflation and the cost of health care, for which they can claim plausible deniability and then run to reform later, while still on the take from the industries that they are trying to reform. It's pretty effin' brilliant--true change has come to America (and keeps comin').

The answer is obvious, and quite American these days: we'll borrow and print more Change, because Yes We Still Can!

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Diametricallly Opposed Interests ???
Posted by: mmckinl on May 11, 2009 3:12 PM   
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Here's the other key question: how can anyone expect a coalition with diametrically opposed interests to hold together?

The Health Care industry staves off single payer, the SEIU gets to organize health care insurance workers and Obama has once again put the corporatocrcy ahead of the people for political donations and a WELL DONE by the MSM that gets all those ad dollars from health care companies ...

Works marvelously my dear .... marvelously ...!

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Speaking of Trojan Horses...
Posted by: CatDad on May 11, 2009 8:37 PM   
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I don't want to believe it...but lurking in the back of my mind is a fear that Obama is an affirmative action Trojan Horse...sent by Wall Street to do what Bush could not do...destroy the New Deal. My fear is that the Left is so in awe of having a black president that they'll let him do as he pleases...I hope I'm wrong.

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» Bushier than Bush. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
WE SHOULD TRUST THESE POWERFUL INTERESTS?????
Posted by: drricklippin on May 12, 2009 4:12 AM   
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Thanks Josh-

No enforcement or accountability mechanisms defined? I am speechless?

HAVEN'T WE WITNESSED FIRST HAND WHAT CORPORATIONS DO WHEN LEFT UNREGULATED?

Do we not learn?

I don't get this at all?

Maybe next we will hear that the big health insurance companies are "too big to let fail?"

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» RE: No Excuses Posted by: oregoncharles
You pay big doctor bills through insuance
Posted by: johnwinthrop on May 12, 2009 4:26 AM   
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doctors cost a lot; especially specialists. they will try to keep their excessive compensation by hiding behind inusrance companies, with which they collude to fix prices now. Who has the guts to clap Marcus Welby in prison for price fixing?

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» in the 3 cases cited... Posted by: ellie
Thank you Mr. Holland. I myself wished Obama were not such a coward but alas ...
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on May 12, 2009 4:47 AM   
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having seen his voting record in the Senate and his campaigning last year, none of this is really surprising. He always promises to throw money at the problem for everything just like Dubya would do and he even accepts the "faith-based" notion that the big banks, auto corps, insurance industries, etc ... will come "clean" if you just throw money at it. No, Corporate America is not Scooby-Doo who'd do his job when given his favorite scooby snacks. Obama is living in a cartoon world of believing that giving more bailout money to these "too big to fail" dirty businesses will automatically make them reform. Giving bailouts with no strings attached does nothing but "reward" more bad behavior. Obama is giving progressives and liberals a bad rap by caving in like this.

P.S.:

I'm beginning to see why unions still get a lot of bad rap in this country. There are going to be some die-hard anti-union wackos out there but when the SEIU teams up to deliver swiss cheese ideas designed to keep Big Insurance in win-win, then how are we going to stop the loss of union support in this nation? Unions are being looked at as just as corporatist and the leaders in the major labor unions are standing up for that libel, whether they realize it or not. Today's labor unions resemble very little of the ones that existed back in the Great Depression Era.

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» I think you misspelled a word: Posted by: leafsong1
» Lotta stink I agree but more to come Posted by: johnwinthrop
"If someone can explain how these competing visions...
Posted by: leafsong1 on May 12, 2009 6:23 AM   
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...for reform can be reconciled now, I'm all ears."

Well, the obvious way is to throw both perversions of real reform into the garbage and offer something that would actually work: SINGLE PAYER. Why would we let unions dictate the form of our health care system any more than we would let a consortium of HMO's do so?

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And, when will we learn?????????
Posted by: Spiritgirl on May 12, 2009 6:55 AM   
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I am speechless! How dare these people pretend as though the very industry that has left 48 million people without insurance, is NOW going to contain costs (voluntary ones at that)? PUHLEASE, give me a break! Yet another version of "free-market" bs, looking at the current fiasco having been wrought by the bankers, haven't we had enough?!

The concession of "only a 4.2 percent" rise, after years of 20% - 25% percent increases, even as the supposed cost of living raises up 3.2% per year, is far too much!!! It is time that "we the people" let our representatives understand our outrage at this deception and betrayal!!! PEOPLE BEFORE CORPORATIONS!!!!

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SINGLE PAYER FAQ's
Posted by: Centavo on May 12, 2009 7:13 AM   
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At this link.

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Joshua, my man, we're all dupes who keep supporting the same old pols who in return support the
Posted by: maxpayne on May 12, 2009 7:45 AM   
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corrupt healthcare industries. The divide and conquer approach of unemployed vs employed has been working to their benefits. Hell, even I was a dupe to vote for Obama simply because I fell for the race guilt trap and got hypnotized into feeling like helping turn VA blue for once. Besides, it was so "nice" of the corporate media to shut out Kucinich and Paul in the primaries and 3rd parties in the general election and turn us losers, except for those who voted 3rd party, into picking between Mccain and Obama. And we're gonna do it again and again and again ...

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As long as I can keep enjoying my favorite philly cheese steak subbies, I'll take any stupid plan !
Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on May 12, 2009 7:53 AM   
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Besides, industries need their money or we can'ts have our food. Well, I feel hungry again. Thanks a lot !

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They are running scared
Posted by: chaoslegs on May 12, 2009 8:38 AM   
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time to rout them. No prisoners in this battle, no compromise. We need to leverage all the outrage and go after real reform, not half assed faux reform that protects the industry.

I hope Alternet and other organizations do a good job reporting on this and applying pressure to the corporate backers in Congress so we the people, the ones that vote are actually heard this time.

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The more things "change," the more they stay the same ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 12, 2009 9:52 AM   
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... and we're about to get screwed again.

If this Trojan Horse winnies inside the fortress gate and Obama the Great Compromiser folds, we will never see significant healthcare reform in our lifetimes! This is the moment, the one chance, and it is looking more and more like it's about to go down the tubes, thanks to all of the nasty, insideous deal-making in Washington.

What the hell is it going to take to wake these people up? Ten million torches and pitchforks in Washington? Or, should we all move to Europe, where politicians actually CARE about their constituents and healthcare is affordable (and where people live happier, longer lives)?

My family pays out over $20k a year in premiums and out-of-pocket expenses to a health insurer which is being sued for illegally dropping people when they actually have serious illnesses. (According to the current idea, I MIGHT save up to $2,500 IN A FEW YEARS! Whoop-dee-freakin' do!! Gee, what "reform!")

For-profit health insurers should not only be driven out of business by a competing government-sponsored plan, but their executives should go to prison for massive fraud! (What else is it when people's money is taken by those who have no intention of providing what is being paid for?) But, alas, the usual is happening once again in Washington: the criminals will be rewarded for their criminality and the public will be duped into taking it in the shorts –– again.

Write your congresspeople, write Obama, write your newspapers; it's about all we ignored "little people" can do –– until we sharpen the pitchforks and light those torches.

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If this is what health care "reform" ends up being,
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on May 12, 2009 10:52 AM   
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if I get sick I hope I die. It will be my form of protest. Of course it would be annoying to get sick and not die, and have to limp around or have scaley skin and webbed toes. It wouldn't feel as powerful a form of protest as just dying.

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Anthony D'Auria
Posted by: Tony D on May 12, 2009 11:13 AM   
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It doesn't take a brilliant mind to realize that the insurance business is much like a "Ponzi" scheme where you take public money, do nothing and make payments with the public money you take in. The worst of these insurers, the health insurers produce nothing but heartache for millions. They appear to be spending most of their time figuring how to best screw the public which includes the sick, the physicians and the rest of the health industry. Meanwhile they pay their employees little and accumulate great profit for their CEO's. One has to speculate that we have produced a monster industry. Does any one know just how much it cost to run the insurance industry?

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Insult and arrogance
Posted by: reg373 on May 12, 2009 12:12 PM   
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When Obama invoked Harry & Louise after using a knockoff image in an attack-mailer last spring against Hillary's health care plan ("You'll be forced to buy insurance even if you can't afford it!") - well, it's probably good that Hillary was not in the room.
-- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

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my question is
Posted by: jareilly on May 12, 2009 12:24 PM   
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If there really were $2.6 trillion in health care savings to be had - ALL THIS TIME - why didn't the health insurance business already begin implementation? And if they knew they could obtain these savings and didn't tell the rate payers, the patients, the providers and their own stock holders, are they not guilty of fraud? Did they just wake up yesterday and realize they were pissing away $2.6 trillion every decade or so? If they are stupid enough to have done that should Obama or anybody else pay any attention to what they are saying now?

We are now over a half a century behind the rest of the developed world when it comes to health care (and so many other things). Are we really the "last, best hope" for democracy and freedom in the world or are we just "last"?

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PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE IS AN OXYMORON
Posted by: jacksmith on May 12, 2009 12:54 PM   
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PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE IS AN OXYMORON!

As congress debates fixing Americas current private for profit healthcare disaster, global embarrassment, and national disgrace. The question is not weather we will have a public option. But rather what kind of public option we will have.

America is the only country in the developed world that has a GREED DRIVEN! PROFIT DRIVEN! IMMORAL! UNETHICAL! PRIVATE FOR PROFIT! healthcare delivery system.

As a result, hundreds of thousands of you are needlessly killed by your healthcare delivery system in America every year. And millions of you are crippled and injured. America is the only country in the developed World that does not have a NOT FOR PROFIT, PATIENT PROTECTING, government managed healthcare delivery option for all it's people.

America currently has the most costly health care system in the developed world. And the lowest quality of healthcare in the developed world. And the most dangerous, deadly, and FEARED! healthcare delivery system in the developed world.

America is the only healthcare delivery system in the developed World that does not cover all it's people automatically. And America has the most difficult healthcare system to access in the developed World.

Contact your representative and tell then that a single payer, government managed healthcare option is a must for everyone that wants it. Tell them that you demand that the public option be the finest in the World.

Tell them it should be available to everyone that wants it as a HUMAN RIGHT! Tell them it should be the easiest to access in the entire world. Tell them it should have the highest quality, with the greatest patient protections in the entire world. Tell them coverage should be automatic for everyone that wants it unless they choose to opt out. Tell them it should be the most affordable in the World. And tell them that NO ONE in the public option is to be reported to a credit agency, or driven into bankruptcy for unpaid medical bills just because they got sick, for FREEK'EN SAKES!

Tell them, none of the requirements above are negotiable. Tell them, that we are prepared to remove them from office. Tell them, we will rain down the political FIRES OF HELL! on any of them that would betray the American people. Or continue to compromise the life, health, safety, and National security of the American people for the GREED DRIVEN, PROFIT DRIVEN! private for profit Healthcare Industry.

TELL THEM NOW! AND PASS THE WORD ON.

God Bless You

Jacksmith — WORKING CLASS

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England Started FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE When England Was Broke After World War II
Posted by: nobyjingo on May 12, 2009 3:06 PM   
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Conservatives/Moderates in government, private corporate insurance, private corporate pharmacy and private corporate media are putting out garbage about Social Security and Medicare being broke; therefore, FREE Universal Health Care isn't feasible to start for the nation's citizens, because there isn't enough money, but this is garbage. The United States can have FREE Universal Health Care the same way England did.

England was destroyed after World War II and used their FREE Universal Health System as a means to pull themselves up and pull the country together. England started their FREE Universal Health System when their country was down and so can the United States. England didn't wait until their country was more prosperous before initiating FREE health care for all their citizens, they just did it; set up a FREE health care system to take care of ALL their citizens health care problems, and the country became WE; instead of THEM and US, and that is exactly what the United States must do.

And, don't forget CUBA. Cuba being a small non-prosperous country prospered after they developed their FREE Health Care System that now even helps other countries.

Don't believe the PRIVATE CORPORATE GARBAGE of BIG INSURANCE and BIG PHARMACY. FREE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE would be beneficial to our country economically.

The Conservative and Moderate RIGHT must end their US & THEM problem, because as a nation, we are all WE.

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Brer Rabbit saying
Posted by: cdmsr on May 12, 2009 9:50 PM   
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"Please, Brer Fox, please don't throw me in the briar patch!"

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DEMS HIDING HIDDEN COSTS OF SOC HEALTHCARE THAT MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PRESENT SYSTEM-PART A
Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 13, 2009 8:43 PM   
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IN SCOTLAND-462,000 PEOPLE DIED AS A RESULT OF HEALTHCARE FAILINGS

ENGLAND---the NATIONAL HEALTHCARE JUST UP AND DECIDED TO HALT KNEE AND HIP REPLACEMENTS FOR OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE.

in SOUTH AFRICA- PATIENTS DIED after his life saving surgery was RE-CLASSIFIED as 'elective' and CANCELED seven YES THAT'S RIGHT SEVEN times until it was simply to late.

in AUSTRALIA man has been on a 90 day waiting PERIOD---for over 2 years.

in Canada -cancer patients have been DENIED life saving medicines that are standard treatment in USA and covered by USA INSURANCE.

ENGLAND AGAIN---- Alheimer's patients denied $5 a day drug that provides crucial relief because it's considered TOO EXPENSIVE.

CUBA---they are FORCED to BEG tourists for common medicines like allergy and asthma inhalers and even aspirin.

EVERYWHERE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE HAS BEEN TRIED IT HAS FAILED.

The DEMS BRAND of getting around using the term SOCIALIZED MEDICINE is to dress up their BIG GOVERNMENT schemes to bamboozle public by calling it UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE OR HEALTH CARE FOR ALL to 'diguise' the fact it should be labeled as HEALTHCARE FOR NONE so the BIG GOV can pocket the funds.

NO matter how these DEMS CALL soc med it always has the same RESULTS---RATIONED HEALTHCARE, DENIAL OF ESSENTIAL MEDICAL SERVICE, WAITING LISTS, MEDIOCRE MEDICINE, AND UNNECESSARY SUFFERING AND DEATH. and for whaaat?? so gov can pocket the funds. always the bottom line.

MEANWHILE WASH DC SLUGS end up with final say over your most intimate medical decisions NOT YOU AND NOT YOUR DOCTOR

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DEMS HIDING HIDDEN COSTS OF HEALTHCARE THAT MAKE IT MORE EXPENSEIVE THAN OUR PRESENT SYSTEM--PART B
Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 13, 2009 8:45 PM   
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Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.

wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.

WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.

According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or nothing. Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.

PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.

THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.

ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.

TAKE A LOOK .. 50% OF BRITISH AND NEW ZEALANDS WOMEN diagnosed with breast cancer DIE. however, HERE IN USA only 1/5th breast cancer sufferers DIE FROM IT. did you know hair dye are directly linked to breast cancer??

25 % CANADIA men and 50% of british men diagnosed with prostrate cancer die from it. HERE, IN USA less than 1/5th men die from it.

BRITISH-ER'S with serious illnesses are 7 times more likely to die from them than AMERICANS with such conditions.
BRITISH-ERS are also 4 times MORE likely to DIE during major surgery than Americans.

IN most countries if you are OVER A CERTAIN AGE like 75 they will let you die.

this is what awaits America if public doesn't do what it takes NOW to seek LEGAL ACTION to kick out SOC healthcare stimulus AND BAILOUT.

SEE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE

see The National Center for Public Policy Research also see American Ctr for LAW and Justice

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CHILDREN MOST HARSHLY AFFECTED BY SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE
Posted by: SassyFrassy on May 13, 2009 8:46 PM   
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SENIORS ALSO TARGETED....

Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.

wanna? know the latest??? Michael moore made a progpaganda film where they attempt to bamboozle the PUBLIC by claiming CUBA'S healthcare is better than the USA ....and that the USA should go to the CUBAN model for healthcare.

WANNA KNOW??? what the reality is and whaaat they are really HIDING... the reality is in CUBA people have to BEG FROM TOURISTS for allergy inhalers and aspirin. You can bet if Americans are allowed to be bamboozled into Socialist healthcare DEMS will make SURE USA is WORSE OFF than CUBA.

According to the new stimulus if your child needs antibiotics and the GOV only wants to give them Asprin or NOTHING guess whaaat they will get ASPIRIN or NOTHING.

Whats worse.. if your/adult/child are X percent sick they ARE LEFT TO DIE.

Soc healthcare is MORE expensive AND gives NO HEALTHCARE. We are no scholar, but you don't need to be a scholar to SEE whaaat is wrong with the DEMS scenario.

DEMS LIED to claim our healthcare system is broken. SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE is MORE EXPENSIVE and gives NO HEALTHCARE.

PEOPLE, OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.

THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.

ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.

don't ALLOW yourselves to be put off seek LEGISLATIVE and LEGAL ACTION TO KICK STIMULUS OUT AND BAILOUT. go see --The National Center for Public policy Research and American center for law and justice

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