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Conservatives Should Lose Their 'Al Qaeda are Worse Than Nazis' Talking Point

Posted by Steve Benen, Washington Monthly at 7:50 AM on May 8, 2009.


Millions of Nazis took large swaths of Europe by force; tens of millions died. Al Qaeda is a group of lunatics who live in caves.
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If Republican leaders want to sound even remotely credible on national security, they're going to have to open a history textbook. With increasing frequency, they're arguing that suspected al Qaeda terrorists are a more serious threat than WWII-era Nazis.

The latest to make the claim: GOP Rep Pete Hoekstra, at a press conference today announcing the GOP's new "Keep Terrorists Out Of America Act," which is designed to restrict the housing of Guantanamo detainees on American soil.

Asked by a reporter whether this wasn't comparable to the detainment of Nazis in prisoner of war camps during World War II, Hoekstra said the two were "night and day" because of the threat of "homegrown terrorism" and because of 9/11.... Hoekstra appears to be making a slightly different argument: That the individual terror suspects are a greater threat than individual Nazis were on American soil because of their alleged association with terror.

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made a similar claim last week, telling Stanford University students, "Nazi Germany never attacked the homeland of the United States.... Three-thousand Americans died in the Twin Towers and the Pentagon."

The argument, in a nutshell, is that Nazis were bad, but at least they didn't kill Americans in America. Since al Qaeda has, it makes the terrorist threat more serious than the German threat in World War II.

The flaws in this kind of thinking are overwhelming.

First, as a factual matter, Rob Farley recently noted that German troops did, in fact, kill Americans in and around US territorial waters between January and June 1942. Farley explained, "I suspect that an attack on an American ship in US territorial waters would be interpreted by just about anyone as an attack on the homeland of the United States."

Second, the comparison is just bizarre on its face. Millions of Nazis took large swaths of Europe by force; tens of millions died. Al Qaeda is a group of lunatics who live in caves.

The context of all of this is what to do with 250 detainees at Guantanamo Bay. The United States detained 425,000 Axis Powers prisoners of war, many of them Nazis. Gitmo holds about 250 guys, who can be locked up pretty easily.

I'd just add that in the 1940s, the Republicans of the era didn't feel compelled to run ads telling the public that FDR wanted to send Nazis "to a neighborhood near you."

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Tagged as: al qaeda, nazis, guantanamo bay

Steve Benen is "blogger in chief" of the popular Washington Monthly online blog, Political Animal. His background includes publishing The Carpetbagger Report, and writing for a variety of publications, including Talking Points Memo, The American Prospect, the Huffington Post, and The Guardian. He has also appeared on NPR's "Talk of the Nation," MSNBC's "Rachel Maddow Show," Air America Radio's "Sam Seder Show," and XM Radio's "POTUS '08."


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Oh, Come On!
Posted by: Quannah on May 8, 2009 10:27 AM   
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I can't believe these boneheads can't see the real differences here. The Nazis had the biggest Army, the biggest Air Force, a formidable Naval Fleet, not to mention an entire political structure that wrote, enacted and enforced laws and terrorized people. The entire budget of the German state went toward propping up a sick and twisted war machine that was hell-bent on World Domination. Not to mention the sheer numbers of people who were killed or otherwise terrorized.

Maybe "re-education camps" is an excellent idea for these morons. Lock them up and make them read history books! Jeeeeezus, these people are dumb! Or they think everyone is as dumb as they are.

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The bad guys
Posted by: old cowboy65609 on May 8, 2009 12:03 PM   
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WHAT? Maybe they should stop trying to scare us with what we know as the truth.
They should talk to people who were held in the prisons of Hitler.

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» RE: The bad guys Posted by: VZEQICVA
For a party that is a closer to Nazis
Posted by: Ellie1 on May 9, 2009 7:12 AM   
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I'd look a little closer to home.

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Homeland???
Posted by: lively56 on May 9, 2009 7:25 AM   
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If I'm not mistaken, isn't that what Nazi Germany called their country, Homeland?

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» RE: Homeland??? Posted by: slowbob4
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Posted by: slowbob4 on May 9, 2009 1:43 PM   
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"to a neighborhood near you."?
During WW2, I was a teenager living in the little town of Merigold MS. There was a German Prisoner of War internment camp right across the street from my house. The NCO Club, whish was next door, had beer and snacks and pool tables with music and dancing in the evening. The music was provided by a band composed of German POWs. The patrons would occasionaly buy a round of beer for the band.
The POWs were employed by the people in the community. I think the going rate was $1.80 per day, of which the prisoner got half in scrip, the other half going to the government.
I worked in the field with them, harvesting wheat and oats. I remember one who was a welder for a local repair shop.
It wouldn't bother me to have the Gitmo internees in the US. Better them than the republics!

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Expat
Posted by: Truelass on May 9, 2009 2:33 PM   
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As someone who had his family bombed out of their home and saw London under bombs for five years I ask Condaleeza Rice does that not count.
Why do Americans have so many total idiots in high office and wonder why grade four students feel just as qualified/

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Idiots...
Posted by: frank69 on May 9, 2009 9:12 PM   
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The party of Lincoln has been taken over by idiots who call themselves "Republicans." They're not Republicans; they're idiots!

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Here in Michigan...
Posted by: adp3d on May 10, 2009 3:39 AM   
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...Rep. Pete Hoekstra is Dutch born and came to this country when he was three. Perhaps he should go visit his relatives in Holland and poll them as to who continues to be the greater threat.
On another note, as the Republic Party drags themselves further to the right, it seems to me that they are reaching out to American Nazis, they are needed as part of the "Conservative" base...

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GOP figures "If you close Gitmo, you turn them loose?"
Posted by: hardwroc on May 10, 2009 6:00 PM   
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Totally bizarre is the name for their reasoning. They assume if you close Gitmo, that the only other option must be a ticket to Disney world and a bus pass to wherever.
So sad that the party of ideas is so bereft of logic and reason.
NO, Mr. Republican, we have prisons in America, many are owned by republicans. And I defy these terrible dangerous prisoners, that haven't even been convicted of crimes yet to bust out of Leavenworth, San Quention, Pelican Bay, and God only knows the many many other high security lock ups across the country.
I'm sure that wire box they are in now is massively secure, but, we got jails fellas.
Find yourself a girl to protect you.

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