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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Waterboarded 183 Times in One Month

Posted by Emptywheel, Firedoglake at 6:02 AM on April 20, 2009.


Aside from the sheer number of times KSM and Abu Zubaydah were waterboarded, the CIA far exceeded the guidelines outlined in the torture memos.
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I've put this detail in a series of posts, but it really deserves a full post. According to the May 30, 2005 Bradbury memo, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in August 2002.

On page 37 of the OLC memo, in a passage discussing the differences between SERE techniques and the torture used with detainees, the memo explains:

The CIA used the waterboard "at least 83 times during August 2002" in the interrogation of Zubaydah. IG Report at 90, and 183 times during March 2003 in the interrogation of KSM, see id. at 91.

Note, the information comes from the CIA IG report which, in the case of Abu Zubaydah, is based on having viewed the torture tapes as well as other materials. So this is presumably a number that was once backed up by video evidence.

The same OLC memo passage explains how the CIA might manage to waterboard these men so many times in one month each (though even with these chilling numbers, the CIA's math doesn't add up).

...where authorized, it may be used for two "sessions" per day of up to two hours. During a session, water may be applied up to six times for ten seconds or longer (but never more than 40 seconds). In a 24-hour period, a detainee may be subjected to up to twelve minutes of water appliaction. See id. at 42.  Additionally, the waterboard may be used on as many as five days during a 30-day approval period.

So: two two-hour sessions a day, with six applications of the waterboard each = 12 applications in a day. Though to get up to the permitted 12 minutes of waterboarding in a day (with each use of the waterboard limited to 40 seconds), you'd need 18 applications in a day.  Assuming you use the larger 18 applications in one 24-hour period, and do 18 applications on five days within a month, you've waterboarded 90 times -- still just half of what they did to KSM.

The CIA wants you to believe waterboarding is effective. Yet somehow, it took them 183 applications of the waterboard in a one month period to get what they claimed was cooperation out of KSM. 

That doesn't sound very effective to me. 

Sign the petition telling Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate torture here.

Update: Here's one reason to demand a special prosecutor to investigate these actions. In addition to revealing the sheer number of times KSM and Abu Zubaydah were waterboarded, the memos reveal that the interrogators who waterboarded these men went far beyond even the expansive  guidelines for torture described in the Bybee Memo, notably by dumping water onto their nose and mouth, rather than dribbing it on.

The IG Report noted that in some cases the waterboard was used with far greater frequency than initially indicated, see IG Report at 5, 44, 46, 103-04, and also that it was used in a different manner. See id. at 37 ("[T]he waterboard technique  ... was different from the technique described in the DoJ opinion and used in the SERE training. The difference was the manner in which the detainee's breathing was obstructed. At the SERE school and in the DoJ opinion, the subject's airflow is disrupted by the firm application of a damp cloth over the air passages; the interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth in a controlled manner. By contrast, the Agency Interrogator ...  applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee's mouth and nose. One of the psychologists/interrogators acknowledged that the Agency's use of the technique is different from that used in SERE training because it is "for real -- and is more poignant and convincing.") [my emphasis]

There's been a lot of discussion about whether those who did what the OLC memos authorized should be prosecuted. But in the case of those who waterboarded KSM and Abu Zubaydah, that's irrelevant, because they did things the OLC memos didn't authorize.

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Tagged as: cia, torture, department of justice, khalid sheikh mohammed, waterboarding, abu zubaydah, sere, eric holder, office of legal council, bradbury memo


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Just a "big softy"
Posted by: 2thepoint on Apr 20, 2009 6:28 AM   
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""According to the 9/11 Commission Report Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was "the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks". He is also thought to have had, or has confessed to, a role in many of the most significant terrorist plots over the last twenty years, including the World Trade Center 1993 bombings, the Operation Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on Los Angeles' U.S. Bank Tower, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, and the murder of Daniel Pearl."

Obviously we were being way to nice to him! According tothe memos released by Obama it was obvious that the CIA were trying to stay within legal grounds and were trying to take precautions that no permenant physical or mental harm should come to anyone.

Very nice but this guy should have been brought up in a chopper to say 5,000 feet and gently nudged out the door until he gave us EVERYTHING.. Then after he did, he should have been pushed. That is a fraction of the death and destruction he brought to hundreds of thousands of people, if not more!

This asshole is a murderer and should be put to death!

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» 9/11 Commission Report ????? Posted by: xvictor
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» RE: If someone waterboarded YOU Posted by: Fempatriot
pointlessness
Posted by: particle on Apr 20, 2009 7:33 AM   
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I believe it was Albert Einstein who said that stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Obviously they were reveling in the torment of their prisoners.

These sadistic assholes are unprofessional disgraces and should be prosecuted.

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» RE: pointlessness Posted by: peacefullaim1
The torture explains why KSM's confession rings false
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Apr 20, 2009 8:08 AM   
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As noted in a Time's column by a former CIA field officer Robert Baer.

Of course, nothing will shake the belief of the faux-patriot Brownshirts who buy in the conspiracy theory promoted by the criminal Bush regime.

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In the Christian tradition. . .
Posted by: Zeugitai on Apr 20, 2009 9:47 AM   
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. . .of Inquisitions and torture, of Crusades and racist genocide and Holy Empires, this torturing of an infidel is perfectly consistent with historical precedent. The odd thing is that modern day Americans somehow think that they have distinguished themselves from that history, perhaps by imagining that it isn't so along with hefty doses of wishful thinking.

It is moral cost externalization to simply expiate oneself by saying "move on," "I have moved on," or "It's time to move on." This magic incantation wipes clean the slate of bloody guilt and allows the speaker of it to go right on exploiting, raping, pillaging, and torturing. Hello, Americans: You have not moved on. You are planting crops in soil composed of the dead bodies of the native peoples that you dispossessed. You built your nation on slave labor. Your waterways run red with the blood of aborted human beings. Your oil comes over the dead bodies of Iraqis, Afghanis, Nigerians. Such an indictment could go on for page after page.

But God has willed all of this, so it cannot be wrong. One nation of cutthroats, under God, quite divisible, with liberty and justice for rich Whites.

Amen.

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Uh ... time to put some people in jail.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Apr 20, 2009 9:54 AM   
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded six times a day for a month?! The guy practically qualified for his SCUBA diving license!

So ...

Just when are the guys who are responsible for this going to be made to answer?

In light of this and other recent information, "I want to look ahead, not backward" just isn't going to cut it.

Are you listening, President Obama?

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Obama needs to know
Posted by: john2007 on Apr 20, 2009 10:30 AM   
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Obama is starting to look bad on the torture front. He is right in granting immunity to the low level torturers who were only following orders, but if he refuses to move against the higher ups then he becomes an accomplice to the crime, and all of his talk about how America doesn't torture will be seen as a lie.

In this case the CIA agents who exceeded their authority must be prosecuted if for no other reason than to find out who put them up to it. And let's get over the idea that CIA agents are warm, wonderful human beings who are only interested in protecting freedom; most of these guys are pugnacious creeps who don't shy away from dirty work and are quite capable of running amok if they lack adult supervision.

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Having fun
Posted by: 60sretread on Apr 20, 2009 5:54 PM   
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With the amount of admitted waterboarding done to these characters, it's pretty clear that not much if any information would be forthcoming given the amount of time it was taking.It appears that someone was having fun with them

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» RE: Having fun Posted by: Aimleft
Sept. 11 mastermind was waterboarded 183 times to remove head lice, say former Bush administration o
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www.wineandexcrement.com

WASHINGTON – Responding to Justice Department memos declassified by the Obama administration last week, former Bush administration officials claim that CIA agents who repeatedly waterboarded Sept. 11 planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were not bent on torture but simply treating a raging case of head lice and dandruff ...

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» RE: Not funny either Posted by: Fempatriot
Nobody with even HALF A BRAIN
Posted by: Quannah on Apr 20, 2009 9:02 PM   
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can know someone was waterboarded 6 times a day for 30 days and say it ISN'T TORTURE.

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Emptywheel again yaps about torture and ignores what brought it: 9/11.
Posted by: pfgetty on Apr 21, 2009 3:15 AM   
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Emptywheel, you really don't want prosecution for torture crimes, do you?
Do you realize that as long as the fantasy of the official story of 9/11 remains, torture by our government will seem reasonable? Americans felt safe that their leaders broke some rules to gain an insight into al Qaeda.
Nothing will ever come of the investigation into torture. Period.
But investigate and expose the crimes of 9/11, and you will finally bring down the house. And that is why you won't present the information of 9/11 truth, because you are pressured and threatened not to.

Stop wasting your time and ours and spend your time investigating 9/11 truth. The proof is there: our government was complicit in those crimes.

Email me if you think I am way off base: pfgetty@embarqmail.com

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MR CLEAN
Posted by: bobcoejr on Apr 21, 2009 7:17 AM   
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IF HE WAS WATER BOARDED THAT MANY TIMES WHY DOES HE ALWAYS LOOK DIRTY

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» RE: Not funny Posted by: Fempatriot
Waterboarding is
Posted by: Fempatriot on Apr 21, 2009 7:30 AM   
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nothing but drowning a victim. I wonder how much water these poor people sucked into their lungs that never got out? It's ridiculous for our government to hide behind worthless words like "security" and "terrorist" to try to justify such treatment of a prisoner who hasn't even had a trial--by a kangaroo court or a real one. Just presumed to be a terrorist and let's torture the hell out of him till we get some information we think we can use. What monsters have we become when we do acts like this?

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I have always believed
Posted by: Fempatriot on Apr 21, 2009 7:35 AM   
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that you can get a lot more out of someone with kind treatment--a cigarette and a cup of coffee and a chat, than you can with harsh treatment which immediately shows them what a s.o.b. you are, and closes them off completely to cooperating in any way. If any of you ever get the chance to do so, listen to the taped "conversation" O. J. Simpson had with the LA Police when he was first interrogated. They handled him with kid gloves, and he revealed many things that an astute listener would pick up. Especially his character.Had they put the "screws to him" he would never have chatted so openly. I realize that a Muslim from another country might not be as open as O. J. was (no, he didn't confess to the murders) but I do think it is our duty to handle our opponents in the same manner we would want our service men and women handled by another country. That's just common sense.

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Not funny
Posted by: Fempatriot on Apr 21, 2009 7:36 AM   
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Not funny.

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