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Ironic that Same Sex Couples Can Marry in Cedar Rapids But Not in San Francisco

Posted by Joshua Holland, AlterNet at 4:31 PM on April 4, 2009.


The heartland is now ahead of "the People's Republic" of California.

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On Friday, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled that a ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, and the Hawk-eye State will now join Massachusetts and Connecticut in leading the nation towards marriage equality (the Vermont legislature passed a law legalizing same-sex marriages as well, but  Republican governor Jim Douglas has promised to veto it). Good on Iowa.

As in earlier civil rights movements, the nation is headed towards the right place -- although support for full marriage equality is still a minority view, the trend, as this table from ReligiousTolerance.org suggests, is clear:

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When it comes to general acceptance of homosexuality, the numbers are better still. Moreover, there's a huge generation-gap on the issue; in the vote that denied equality to LGBT couples in California last Fall, the exit polls told the story: folks over 65 voted for discrimination by a 57-43 margin while under-30s supported marriage equality by a 67-31 spread.

Anyway, I'd like to make a point about this that's inspired by a few paragraphs in a San Francisco Chronicle story on the Iowa ruling:

Calvin Massey, another constitutional law professor at Hastings, agreed that the ruling reflected emerging views among some state judges but said their importance shouldn't be overstated.

"I think you're likely to see more victories in judicial chambers for advocates of same-sex marriage," said Massey, who described himself as uncommitted to either side. "The judiciary in general is more liberal on this issue than the population as a whole."

It's easy to look at the polling on marriage equality and these decisions and come to the conclusion that the "judiciary in general is more liberal on this issue than the population," which of course fits nicely into the right-wing meme about  "activist judges" run amok. But the reality is very different -- the legal basis for these decisions is both sound and, in fact, extremely popular, and that renders words like "liberal" and "conservative" almost meaningless in this context.

The key legal justification for laws that discriminated against gays and lesbians was always fairly straightforward. Many states had sodomy laws on their books which criminalized the intimate activities same-sex couples -- as well as straight ones, obviously -- did in the privacy of their bedrooms. Despite the fact that they were rarely enforced in recent years -- and almost never against opposite-sex couples -- that made the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause moot. After all, people who violate the law can't claim that they're a group that has been discriminated against, and can't demand  legal protections on that basis.

In 2003, the Supreme Court ruled those laws unconstitutional in Lawrence V. Texas. With that, the best legal argument for discriminating against gay and lesbian citizens basically fell apart. So let's return for a moment to the fact that while a majority of Americans now support at least civil unions, only around 4 in 10 (depending on the poll) favor full marriage equality. Given that full legal rights for same-sex couples is a direct result of the court's decision to overturn state sodomy laws, the question is whether or not that decision had significant support.

A Harris poll conducted a month or two before the Lawrence decision found:

Seventy-four percent of American adults surveyed last month favor the U.S. Supreme Court overturning state laws that criminalize private, consenting sexual relations between same-sex couples, yet allows that same private conduct to occur between opposite-sex couples...

Nearly nine out of 10 Americans (87%) oppose state laws regulating private, sexual relations that are applied to opposite-sex married adult couples and almost as many (82%) oppose such laws that are applied to same-sex adult couples in a domestic partnership.

In other words, same-sex marriage is the inevitable result of a very, very popular legal decision. And with private sexual activities between consenting adults no longer a crime, it's the height of right-wing judicial activism not to apply the law equally to all.

The Chronicle story does a good job explicating how weak the legal case for discriminating against gays and lesbians has become since Lawrence:

Frequently citing the California [Supreme Court ruling that legalized same-sex marriages], the Iowa justices said any law that denies equal treatment to a historically persecuted group, like homosexuals, is valid under the state Constitution only if it promotes an important, legitimate government goal. They said none of the goals cited in defense of the marriage law - tradition, protecting children, encouraging procreation - met that test.

Excluding a group from marriage merely because of long-standing custom "can allow discrimination to become acceptable as tradition," said Justice Mark Cady, one of two Republican appointees on the court. Claims that children are better off with opposite-sex parents are scientifically unproven, he said, and, even if true, would not be served by denying marriage to same-sex couples who are already raising children.

Eventually, we'll live in a society in which we look back at these efforts to discriminate against LGBT couples as a shameful and ridiculous era in our history, akin to "separate but equal," anti-miscegenation laws or the fight against women's suffrage.

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Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer at AlterNet.


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Posted by: Longdream on Apr 4, 2009 6:22 PM   
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Iowans know how to take care of business, that's why.

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» liberals need to be more inclusive Posted by: jouifocracy
» KOOK LEFTIES STATE Posted by: reelman
» RE: KOOK LEFTIES STATE Posted by: buffeliscious
Coastal snobbery and geographic bigotry!
Posted by: RegK on Apr 4, 2009 10:19 PM   
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It's geographic bigotry to be act sooooo surprised by Iowa. Why is it 'ironic' that Iowa is ahead of California? Irony is when the opposite of what is supposed to happen happens. How is this ironic? I'll tell you how: it isn't. Or were you misusing 'ironic' to mean 'strange'? Well, if you were it's not strange either!

I have lived on both coasts and in the Midwest. I went to Grinnell and to Harvard; give me down-to-earth unsnobbish Iowans any day of the week. The coasts don't have it or know it all, folks. There are solid sensible progressive people in the Midwest. Are you just learning that now?

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» Touchy, touchy Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Perception is important Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» RE: Perception is important Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Perception is important Posted by: BlueTigress
» Some things never change Posted by: Quicksilver
» RE: Perception is important Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Perception is important Posted by: Quicksilver
» RE: Perception is important Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» No... really... Posted by: buffeliscious
» Wait a minute here... Posted by: buffeliscious
» Totally misconstrued Posted by: Joshua Holland
It wasn’t put to a vote in Massachusetts
Posted by: corey on Apr 5, 2009 5:14 AM   
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It wasn’t put to a vote in Massachusetts, and there is still a group of VERY vocal fundamentalist christians who have been and will continue to try and get it on a ballot and/or change the state's constitution.

In other words, what happened in CA. could happen in MA. if the majority of MA residents want to ban gay marriage.

This is why America is a Republic or more accurately a Democratic Republic, so mob rule doesn’t rule over the minority. Just ask those on the “right”…oh but they are in favor of “mob rule” when it comes to pushing their religion onto everyone else through rules, laws, bills, public schools, public libraries and public buildings, along with anything else they have used their power to infiltrate, to make an impact that effects everything from the air we breathe, to the food we eat, from the books we read to the clothes we wear, from those they torture to those who they give medicine to.

The “Religious Right” has destroyed the world just as all religious fundamentalist do, unfortunately for us in the USA, most people only see fundamentalism when they think of September 11th 2001. Covert is actions have more of a lasting effect than Overt.

Do your own research, see how the Bush administration and most other’s defining themselves as “christians” guided by their “god”, (Reagan for example) there are more dead form war, AIDS, starvation, oppression, food by the cutting oversight put into place to protect our Health, Life, Freedom, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

(Sound familiar; We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.)

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» You're imagining things Posted by: NWCrow
The heartland emptied her right-wing rabble into our Left-Coast Republik
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 5, 2009 3:06 PM   
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Too many god damned immigrants from Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Nebraska, Kan-SASS, Muzuruh, etc.

They wrecked our budgets, our roads, our real estate markets... god damned whitey from the heartland ran over us like a damned steam roller.

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The Nepali Supreme Court
Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 5, 2009 7:16 PM   
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I taught medicine in Nepal for 3 years, and now have a number of my former students doing their residencies here in Bangladesh in our program. I have found Nepalis to be the most open minded, tolerant people I've experienced, and wasn't at all surprised when the Supreme Court there struck down all of the antiquated discriminatory laws against gays, lesbians and transgendered people and an openly gay parliamentarian was elected. There are a fair few religious people in Nepal, mostly Hindu and Buddhist, but I've never met a religious fanatic there. It's quite remarkable.

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» RE: The Nepali Supreme Court Posted by: Longdream
» RE: The Nepali Supreme Court Posted by: DrBrian
» RE: The Nepali Supreme Court Posted by: Longdream
» RE: The Nepali Supreme Court Posted by: DrBrian
Issue should be put to a vote - Democracy in Action
Posted by: FREEDOM OF SPEECH on Apr 6, 2009 12:31 AM   
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It is clear that if this issue was put to a vote (either via a state-wide referendum and/or on the ballot during the next general elections) the citizens of Iowa would have rejected gay marriage, just as the citizens of California did when they were able to exercise their DEMOCRATIC RIGHT and VOTE on this issue.

But nah...instead you have a single 'impartial' judge deciding the law(s) for millions of people - that doesn't seem very democratic to me, one person acting as the 'decider' for millions.

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» 7-0 verdict, actually Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: 7-0 verdict, actually Posted by: Xynyx
» Do you live here? Posted by: Quicksilver
» RE: Do you live here? Posted by: Longdream
Yay Yay for the downfall of the country
Posted by: thisizrob on Apr 6, 2009 3:53 AM   
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First it was Sodom and Gamorrah, then there were other small countries going down the shute until we get to Rome, that great Empire which eventually got its act together and went over to legalising Same Sex couples and probably even marriage.

History is at last repeating itself yet again. Funny how we never learn. We want our cake and to eat it too. Oh well, Goodbye Umerica, you WERE a great nation. When more of your states come into line and make it the done thing for the same sex marriages, We will miss your greatness and also your so called religious right who made great claims for their "christianity". Well, THEY set the precedent for misapropriation of the Christian ethic, now everyone will suffer for it because they have turned away from that which they were directed to give them abiding peace.

Maranatha, Even so, return Lord Jesus this world is waxing evil and more evil day by day. Those who would claim your name have stuffed it up good and proper and now it is getting to the point that maybe even the Sodomites would blush with shame.

Equality? for what? Sin? (sorry, sin doesn't exist anymore. Well, in the eyes of the world anyway) Great will be the fall and none will be clear of it. Howl for all your worth. None want to follow the Word of God, they all want their own way. Well, you chose it. Don't blame me.

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» What a clown Posted by: Honky the Nihilist...
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» Don't waste your time Posted by: Quicksilver
13%? Really?
Posted by: AlexaD on Apr 6, 2009 4:09 AM   
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I'm shocked that there are 13% of people who are actually in favor of the state regulating the private consensual conduct of married couples. That's just ridiculous. How do you justify such regulation?

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Yes, it IS ironic
Posted by: jiclemens on Apr 6, 2009 5:55 AM   
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Having lived in SF most of my life, in Denver as a kid, and now retired in the deep south (near family), I have some knowledge of both areas and the midwest. I don't think the article was meant as a dig at Iowa. The comment about the Quakers was good. They do most often listen to their conscience and vote to do the right thing. In fact I still remember when there was no such thing as a "progressive Christian" because most Christians were progressive by definition. But SF is widely known as a city on the bleeding edge of human rights issues, among many other things, and has a long history of progressive and tolerant Episcopalian roots. The problem is, it is an island in a state with very complicated demographics due to its huge rural agricultural regions in the center of the state and its stong military presence that remains in the south and its large, predominatly Catholic, poor hispanic population in the LA area. Only a moron with an 8th grade education would keep parroting the notion that 'majority rule' is the last word in a democracy. Northern CA is probably more left-leaning than southern CA, and southern CA actually has one of the highest concentrations of hate groups in the US. Who would've thought? Gavin Newsom was ahead of the curve on gay marriage. San Francisco often leads by example but cannot easily change the sentiment of a largely conservative state. There is no such expression as "the People's Republic of CA." That expression applies correctly and exclusively to the city of Berkley. Overall, to anyone who has lived there, the state resembles Georgia more than you would care to think, minus the Southern Baptists. The best thing about the Bay ARea is that it is more European than most cities. When something is wrong or seriously unfair, the people GET INVOLVED and lobby for change. Southerners are patently apathetic and ignorant. That is why politicians get away with the level of control they do. That is why we are still subjected to blue laws and why, even though we pay the same prices for cable television, every channel is censored and every swear word bleeped and why Alabama still outlaws dildoes and why the newspapers down here continue to be nothing but pathetic religious and corporate shills. Calling CA a "People's Republic" is a smoke screen while the south (especially Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina) gets away with being a dictatorial theocracy and nobody gives a crap. Southerners are in fact to poor and ignorant to save themselves, but this is a large and beautiful corner of the country that deserves to be saved from itself. Lincoln's work is not finished here.

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Why is an institution as worthless and antiquated as marriage regulated by the government at all?
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Apr 6, 2009 6:03 AM   
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The government needs to butt out. That way people can start and stop playing house at any time they like.

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» Yes, Posted by: Juven
Ironic that gay marriage is such a controversial issue...
Posted by: DignityForAll on Apr 6, 2009 6:06 AM   
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... when corporations (as "legal entities") are allowed to merge with other corporations, or buy other corporations, with little regulation from society.

Ending "corporate personhood" is one of the most important moral and economic issues in America.

Everyone should see the documentary "The Corporation", based on a book by a Canadian law professor Joel Bakan. Has this excellent documentary ever been shown on US broadcast TV? Maybe make a request to your local PBS station. (watch online on Google Video)

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Did everyone forget already . . . ???
Posted by: newsound on Apr 6, 2009 6:39 AM   
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Let's NOT forget that there was a huge outside force, one not associated with San Fran or even California that swayed the "vote" for Prop 8.
Could they do the same with a judge? Evidently not.

The fundies will continue to push their agenda of hate, fear, ignorance and intolerance until those who have been infected either die-off or are re-educated. (fat chance of that)

If the media had saturated the headlines with Iowa's situation the way they did with California's, do you think Iowa's discriminatory legislation would have been reversed?

I'm sure the haters are there in the background right now, figuring out a way to get it to a vote, so they can influence the outcome . . . again.

And these people can function tax-free? Something wrong there.

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Proud to be an Iowan!
Posted by: greenmulberry on Apr 6, 2009 7:03 AM   
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This is really a wonderful decision and I am so happy to be a resident of Iowa. After the decision was announced, the rest of the day everyone I ran in to was smiling and passing on the good news. I am glad that others get to see Iowa as the progressive state that I know it to be. This is truly a wonderful place to live and I am so pleased that we are welcoming gay and lesbian families to live here and raise their children.

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» RE: Proud to be an Iowan! Posted by: jiclemens
There's a rich progressive history outside of the coasts
Posted by: vangogh69 on Apr 6, 2009 7:30 AM   
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We'd do well to remember that de-facto segregation in education ended in Kansas, a state which has a rich history of anti-slavery agitators. It's good for Iowa and better for the country at large to see that, surprise surprise, CA and NYC are not the be-all-end-all of progressive politics...and if anything, Prop 8 in CA was a good wake up to people that you'd do well not to judge a state based on the large cities there.

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Thank"GOD" for some sanity!
Posted by: johnbradleycopeland on Apr 6, 2009 8:02 AM   
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Thank "God" and the judges for some constitutional sanity! Freedom from religion is extremely important; as much as "liberty and justice for all!"! Stop! STOP! the tax free Dobsonites, Focus on the Family councils and their millions of tax payer dollars teaching abstinence! STOP! the Christian Coalition, American Family Association, Family Research Council, Baptist Convention et. al. from controlling our lives through religious based legislation! Stop! voting for evangelicals and born again fools for school boards and into political office who want to control you like an American Taliban! Stop throwing your money away, stop drinking the religious koolaid. Think for yourself! "God" doesn't make you good! You make yourself "good"! Remember - "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities!"

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Iowa is following California: next step constitutional amendment
Posted by: cplot on Apr 6, 2009 9:31 AM   
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Remember that California 1) passed legislation prohibiting same-sex marriage, 2) supreme court strikes it down; 3) state constitutional amendment prohibits it again. Iowa hasn't gotten to step 3 yet (see this Wikipedia article on California's history).

That Wikipedia article mistakenly says that a state supreme court cannot overrule a state constitutional amendment, but that is incorrect. As state supreme court justices are sworn to uphold the US Constitution as the supreme law of the land, they must overrule state amendments whenever those amendments are in conflict with the US Constitution. The question is whether anything in the US Constitution conflicts with these state amendments – and I think they do. In particular the 9th amendment is intended to prevent the tyranny of the majority with respect to state constitutions. However, the common practice of the judiciary in the United States is to ignore the 9th amendment to the US Constitution (no surprise there since it deal with individual rights).

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Don't worry
Posted by: willymack on Apr 6, 2009 9:39 AM   
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We'll get around to true equality in our own stumbling, bumbling, and fumbling way, and with the glacial speed we're so famous for worldwide, despite the hysterical shreiks of Church Lady and other nuts of her ilk.

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"Judicary is more liberal"?
Posted by: lynmarenjensen on Apr 6, 2009 10:33 AM   
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That the judiciary is more "liberal" is a poor choice of words that plays straight into the hands of the "activist judges" neo-cons' talk. It's not that judges are more liberal than the general population. It's that they're better informed of the law and what the law does and does not say and do than the general population is. After all, that's their job.

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» RE: "Judicary is more liberal"? Posted by: jouifocracy
» RE: "Judicary is more liberal"? Posted by: jouifocracy
American Gothic--what the picture REALLY shows!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 6, 2009 12:13 PM   
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All these years, people have thought the painting American Gothic by Iowan Grant Wood showed a farmer and his daughter.

Actually, it's a man and his life partner in drag.

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Iowa before California?
Posted by: Aged Liberal on Apr 6, 2009 12:57 PM   
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Only because Iowa hasn't been targeted by the "holier than thou" Mormon church . . . yet.

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» RE: Iowa before California? Posted by: Longdream
You all seem to be forgetting something.
Posted by: Cybershaman on Apr 6, 2009 1:17 PM   
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California has been a mecca for retired people. Just like Florida it started out to be basically liberal but was overtaken by an enormous influx of retired people who brought their bigotries with them. We're not talking poor people here either. These were people who had better jobs and better incomes. People who tend to think of themselves as more conservative.

Liberal forces made certain areas more attractive to retirees because they had more funding for the arts and humanities. They were advertised as such. In came the conservative crowd to take advantage of those services but their aversion to paying taxes made them neglect the very things that attracted them in the first place. As more migrated in the political structure began to reflect their opinions more and more.

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THE NEW GAY MECCA NEXT DOOR!--screams the Omaha World-Herald
Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 6, 2009 4:38 PM   
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It's all gonna gear-up to do a "Proposition 8" in Iowa...mark my words!

Witness the alarmist headline in Nebraska's (main) newspaper Sunday.

Funny--no one refers to Las Vegas as a "heterosexual Mecca".

Just the usual rabble-rousing from a newspaper that thought the Vietnam war was cool. That regularly pontificates on the need to privatize Social Security. That endoresed McCain/Palin for pres.

Where I live (Nebraska) they are already quaking in their boots about all those gays who are gonna be busy crossing the Missouri to the West to "recruit" the vulnerable young men out here.

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with all the
Posted by: Juven on Apr 8, 2009 6:51 AM   
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crap going on, people who define themselves by who they screw are allowed to marry and we are wasting our time with that? This is why we are in such a mess in this country.

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ONE OF THOUSANDS (of kooks)
Posted by: reelman on Apr 9, 2009 3:05 PM   
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Peter Singer is a Princeton professor who believes it is okay for parents to kill their kids until their offspring are 28 days old.
He also believes in bestiality: dogs, he says, can convey to their master whether they consent to intercourse. Now he is pushing clam rights.

In today’s New York Times, Nicholas Kristof writes that because Singer is uncertain about the capacity of shellfish to suffer, he tends to avoid eating them. Which means that Singer apparently believes that newborn kids who are knifed to death don’t suffer, but clams on the half shell might. Whether clams can consent to sex, Singer does not say.

CRAWFISH NOTE: This a a liberal democrat professor at an Ivy League college who gets to influence hundreds of teens year after year with his sicko kookism. He is one of thousands of liberal kooks around America pushing kook secular socialism on gullible college students.
Does anyone wonder why the modern youngsters are so clueless as to morals and reality? Liberals are cultural termites.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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