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Was Eliot Spitzer Taken Out Because He Was Going to Bust AIG?

Posted by Melina Ripcoco, Brilliant at Breakfast at 3:39 PM on March 19, 2009.


America is known for its great second acts, and we may be witnessing the curtain rising on Spitzer's.
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Eliot Spitzer is back and he's talking. The thought of this, no doubt, brings a small shiver to the boardrooms of some of the perps walking around trying to figure out how to hide the money this week. Today Edward Liddy testified that there have been death threats made to or about executives who received bonuses, so no names will be put on the record, but these anonymous players must know that the jig is up in the land of easy-money. Isn't what to do a no-brainer for these great Americans?

Spitzer may be as "disgraced" as any anonymous sex loving Republican loser, but America is known for its great second acts, and we may be witnessing the curtain rising on Spitzer's.

Today in Slate Eliot Spitzer has a short op-ed that speaks volumes about what is going on, and indirectly, if you follow the money, what happened to him. Plainly stated, Spitzer brings the AIG Ponzi Scheme one step closer to the revered establishment when he explains how the bailout money was funneled straight into the top players, with Goldman Sachs being the name that comes up again and again. These top players already got bailout money, and Goldman is looking at zero losses at this point, while regular Americans are being asked to make concessions or just plain losing everything. here are the biggest financial entities in the world, making billions on what appears to have been nothing but air traded back and forth, and having gutted the American people they are walking away with 100% return to their stockholders. In return AIG seems to think that its appropriate to pay themselves bonuses with the leftover funds. This leaves AIG still a wobbly shell with no plan of how to go forward, and the threat of the collapse of all of the world's financial markets still up in the air. So, what was all that bailout money for? Apparently to make sure that no one at Goldman or the other few top firms in the hand-out-line lost anything!

The relationship between AIG and Goldman goes back long enough that one would think that Goldman would know, having bought so much of this "insurance" or whatever it was, whether the "products" were ...er...real or feasible at all. Indeed, Goldman and AIG almost merged a few years ago, but Spitzer notes that the unknown black hole of AIG's business practices were probably what prevented it. Still, that didn't stop the incestuous dealings; it almost makes one think that this whole thing was a setup.

This is country that Spitzer is familiar with; he has been a terrible liability to entities that, under the Bush administration, were allowed to literally gut the country and its citizens. All of this seems to have been part of the Bush Administration's own Ponzi Scheme, which figured that the illusion of an ownership society, terrified of the "terraism" and steeped in the me, me, me, culture would look the other way while they finished clearing out the vault. Beyond that, it's clear that the media hyped housing bubble encouraged the house flip mentality and the idea that anyone could be rich. The idea of the lottery dropping on our own heads made us more protective of the rich, because we might one day be one....or look, we could be one with no money down, if we could just balance that on this, and flip that house!!

Every week came a new offer from our bank or credit card to just put the enclosed check into the bank for a $50,000 loan, unsecured and with a low APR!! Who would know that those same banks would go out of their way to cause a day or week default by changing the cycle or stopping refusing cards that went over-limit, in order to charge fees and raise the rates. Who could know that the fine print on all those little fliers talking about privacy rights and how they are selling all of our information, also said that by-the-way the interest rate is now 25% and the minimum payment has tripled! Default on that and likely AIG has sold insurance to your lending institution that should repay them for making the bad loan in the first place....no money down mortgages? No problem....its the same story. This is the ownership society and we all need to own alot of stuff. It is... what did he say?...uniquely American!

Spitzer was questioning this back in February 2008 when he wrote his Valentine to predatory lenders in the Washington Post. He detailed that Attorneys General across the country had entered into litigation in an attempt to protect the people of their states from predatory lending. The response from the federal government was astounding!

What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge? As Americans are now painfully aware, with hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure and our markets reeling, the answer is a resounding no.

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.

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In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.

But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.

 

Now, they will say that they fought the consumer protection laws to actually protect the consumers and assure that they could get credit in the future. But actually, Americans could get credit; just credit that they were able to handle and could, by reasonable standards, pay back. This was just more of the same in hindsight. Looking back that all that the Bush administration has done, the beginnings of this disaster looks almost quaint, and not like an institutionalized foray into the dirty underside of criminal activity. There were quotas passed by the government as to who got the loans and the focus was on certain populations who would be helped into homeownership even if they couldn't maintain the credit. It was treated as some sort of fulfillment of the American Dream for people to own something, but really had more to do with the insurance on the loans than the people involved. The American dream is dead, as we well know, but what it was, way back then, was that people could

afford

to own a house and put their kids in college!

 

AIG sold insurance to the biggest entities in the financial world to cover the proliferation of bad loans. This insurance became so common that it was impossible that the lions of finance didn't somehow have an inkling that something was wrong. Didn't Goldman and the rest of these huge firms know something about the stability of an impossible business plan? Hadn't Goldman gone over everything in their bid to merge? And what of the government and their mandating of certain loans that were bound to go bad. There were people involved in these things, and its not like regular people understand the ins and outs of the financial industry. They rely on brokers to explain it to them. But these brokers were being forced to see a certain product to an unqualified population. How could they? Why would they? Those are questions for another time.



Spitzer has been fighting these guys and asking questions all along

. Coincidentally, right after the WSJ editorial appeared on Valentine's Day 2008, Spitzer was caught up in what was an extremely unusual sting. So unusual is an investigation like this that it seems almost like it was a set-up; and considering where it all came from and how it all came down, it might well have been.

 

It seems that Spitzer's bank was investigating expenses under the auspices of the newer Homeland Security laws of the Bush administration.

Greg Palast

wrote about this compellingly, and in light of how the whole thing is shaking out now, and what Spitzer said back then about this financial mess and what he tried to

DO

about it, Palast had a pretty good early grasp on what had gone down. So now, with Spitzer poking his head up from the underground of "healing his family," at this most compelling of moments, its probably worthwhile for Americans to screw their heads on straight and forget the details of the hooker, and look at what Spitzer was working on when he was taken down. We might all find ourselves wanting to thank the egotistical crime fighter who cant keep it in his pants.

 

I am no apologist for breaking the law, and usually its the highest and mightiest that fall the hardest. But when the mainstream is showing us the shiny object, we must resist the temptation to succumb to our base natures and try to see the bigger picture. There was never a real case against Eliot Spitzer, and no charges were filed. The release of embarrassing personal information was at the discretion of the Bush Administration's Justice Department.

 

Why was this information released? It wasn't that he was a crusader against such crimes, because many who have been caught were exactly the same and their information has been kept quiet. It wasn't that the press is all so great in their investigative journalism, either...because we know they're loathe to get off their asses if they can just read a talking point; as is evidenced by the reportage on this case.



Palast

:

 

Not all crimes lead to federal bust or even public exposure. It’s up to something called “prosecutorial discretion.”

Funny thing, this ‘discretion.’ For example, Senator David Vitter, Republican of Louisiana, paid Washington DC prostitutes to put him in diapers (ewww!), yet the Senator was not exposed by the US prosecutors busting the pimp-ring that pampered him.
Naming and shaming and ruining Spitzer – rarely done in these cases - was made at the ‘discretion’ of Bush’s Justice Department.

Or maybe we should say, 'indiscretion.'

Bush's Justice Department.

Its clear to me that all things being equal, this was at the very least, not a transsexual streetwalker a la Hugh Grant, and it was all very ho-hum and quiet. So, whatever the problem that leads to this sort of behavior, I don't want to know about it...its personal, so just walk on by...nothing to see here.


Welcome back Eliot Spitzer. I hope we hear more from you very soon...your voice is needed in this matter.


c/p RIP Coco

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Melina is the proprietor of the blog Ripcoco.com and writes for Brilliant at Breakfast.


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This is a very interesting article.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Mar 19, 2009 4:45 PM   
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I like how it suggests much of this funneling of public money to well-connected institutions and their leaders via the mechanisms of federal crisis management was intentional and planned from the top. This article also has to guts to claim Spitzer's disgrace was a political "hit" to make his work concerning AIG irrelevant.

As a side note, I still find it fishy that Rod Blagojevich was disgraced a day after threatening to shut Bank of America out of Illinois, when supposedly his phone had been tapped and the FBI was fearing he'd sell Obama's senate seat for weeks before this (why didn't they pounce earlier?).

There's a debate as to whether the self-serving behavior of elites is conspiratorial or systemic. Proponents of the former call proponents of the latter naive; proponents of the latter call proponents of the former ignorant.

Really it's impossible to prove either explanation. Sociological theories don't lend themselves to rigorous proof, and sociologists and anthropologists aren't invited to take field notes when big decisions are made by government and corporate leaders. It's probable that both explanations apply: elites often maneuver as cohorts with common interests, although the relationship between their intentions and their results is about as distorted by social complexities as anyone else's.

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» RE: I recognize a lot of the games Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» It's all in the photo _ Posted by: yirrp
I posted this on one of the AIG bonus stories...
Posted by: Quannah on Mar 19, 2009 5:30 PM   
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but it bears repeating on this one, too. Spitzer's on to something...

seems like in all of the research I've done on this subject, in all the stories I've read, there is a thread that runs through it all that cannot be ignored.

All roads seem to come back to... GOLDMAN SACHS.

In October, I think it was, AIG paid out $13 BILLION to Goldman Sachs -- by far the largest recipient of the AIG payouts.

This amounts to a "backdoor bailout" for Goldman. WHY DID THIS HAPPEN?

We all know about Paulson's ties to Goldman Sachs, but there is also Neel Kashkari, the under secretary of the treasury who is in charge of doling out the TARP money, who was a Senior Vice President for Goldman Sachs when Paulson was the CEO.

Then there's Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs.

Not to mention Robert Rubin and all his acolytes.

Goldman-Sachs. It's the answer.

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» ES was my pick for AG Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: It wasn't the sex Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Where do you get that, Lauren? Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Where do you get that, Lauren? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: S was my pick for AG Posted by: gimmie shelter
» RE: S was my pick for AG Posted by: Quannah
» John Perkins Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» Uh - Madoff is IN jail Posted by: UnEasyOne
no one is indispensable
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Mar 20, 2009 1:32 AM   
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No doubt Spitzer had a talent for going after the white collar crimiminals who flourished in his Manhattan jurisdiction. But he forgot that he wasn't just a desk lawyer buried in the bureaucracy who can do anything he wants "after hours".

You have to be purer than snow if you are going clean the scum off the streets. Somewhat like requiring a lawyer to be a member of a bar, or a judge to avoid even the perception of conflict of interest.

Prowling the not so cheap halls of the MayflowThere was never a real case against Eliot Spitzer, and no charges were filed.er Hotel in DC with whores is not the perception the public will tolerate in its righteous avengers.

And righteous avenger is the image Spitzer sought-for political as well as for whatever makes him tick reasons as well.


Credibility as well as talent are necessary in a reformer. And Spitzer's credibility is shot.

To be blunt: He will be laughed at.

At AIG, I imagine they desperately hope this hypocrite becomes a point man in the campaign to dismantle this white collar crime organization.

Unfortunately, for reason the authors and the commentators note, the Obama crew led by Bailout Tim have no intention of dismantling AIG or any other Goldman crime family member. Tim and PrezO have come to DC to save AIG, not to bury it.

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Spitzer set up?
Posted by: jrobertclark on Mar 20, 2009 3:48 AM   
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Naaahhh, couldn't be.

Those sorry sons of bitches that comprised the Bush Administration would go to any length to silence the truth. And, as is becoming increasingly evident to anyone who hasn't got their head up their ass, this is just another in their long list of criminal activities.

George Bush may go down in history as a failure, but he achieved his primary goal--to allow the capitalists to suck us dry financially, simultaneously destroying the middle class and sending our economy into a muckhole that I dare say we'll never crawl out of....

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» clown noses Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
A stupid conspiracy theory article to defend sellout Democrats in Washington.
Posted by: LaughingModerateIndependent on Mar 20, 2009 3:58 AM   
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So what if the Democrats get taken out for actually doing their real job? If we keep inventing stupid conspiracy theories such as this shit, we'll keep getting status quo shills such as Obama. Eliot Spitzer wasn't taken out because he was going to bust AIG. He chose to resign because he didn't want the call girl scandal to cost the taxpayers of NY more money.

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» The Mann Act rings a bell? Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» RE: Grand Illusion Posted by: robert.noll
RICO= Economic Treason= Crime Against Humanity
Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 20, 2009 4:23 AM   
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Embezzlement, Money Laundering which lead to Bereneke/Paulsons 2 1/2 page Extortion Death Threat/Ransom note- This is an organized Crime Syndicate.Bu twhat makes their Crimes far worse than any Mafia Family, is the Fact it collapsed the Entire economic system- here and throughout the world. That Ransom note sitting in Paulson's desk for 6 Months proves forethought and thus malice- which leads to the charge of High Treason.
The US is the main country other impoverished nations have come to rely on for Food and medical programs, Through Gov't funds and Charitable contributions of our citizens.These Funds, esp to charities, have been adversely effected by this meltdown, leading to the deaths, not just foreign, but very likely domestic (anyone die from exposure, lack of healthcare?)- Crimes Against Humanity.
Congress is playing avery dangerous game itself thinking by trying to merely get back 'bonus' money Americans won't seek prosecution for these higher crimes. It's not the money,congress- it's the CRIMES we want justice for. If they continue to play this charade of 'See we're doing Something'- when in atuality it is ALL their faults for not doing Anything (including Impeachment), they may find themselves facing complicity charges on All 3.
As for the 'No Moeny Down' mortgage option- We used it and were able to refin with in 2 yrs. that was not a Bad Deal- It was the 'Interest Only ' payment mortgages and the lure of flipping using your current residence which the Greedy wealthy used to Buy 'Investment' properties- they are also as Guilty of buying more than they could handle- so stop merely pointing the fingure at less advantaged Buyer single home purchaser as the Scapegoats for this Housing collpase. 'No Money Down' was really a Great deal- as long as you could afford the cost of Refi, which the sales agent Should have warned buyers could be steep also- The flippers, the Wealthy 'investor' group,RE Buyer agent and Mortgage lenders are far more culpable for this 'Housing Bubble' than the First time buyers. In reality the Housing crash was just the symptomatic leison on the system face- not the cause of the insideous Disease which lie beneath. Housing didn't make the system Crash- it just revealed the Ponzi Scheme.

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» and Obama is a pure and the wind driving snow Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» You should write books Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Is it this kind of attack from the government that keeps Alternet from exposing 9/11 truth?
Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 20, 2009 4:45 AM   
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Do the journalists look at this kind of retribution against Spitzer for coming forth with the truth, and realize that if they expose 9/11 as the lie it is, the same may happen to them?

Just wondering. Because it is beyond belief that Alternet would go for over seven years and never have a real story about the biggest story of all time: the lies and contradictions of the official 9/11 story, and the coverup, and the complicity of the government.

I guess each journalist has chickened out, as maybe Spitzer wishes he had also.

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CRIME PAYS
Posted by: TFYQA on Mar 20, 2009 4:49 AM   
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Greg Palast was on that very button eons ago (in journalistic time ;)

Eliot's Mess
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My two cents...

CRIME PAYS
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"It is easier to find a score of men wise enough to discover the truth than to find one intrepid enough, in the face of opposition to stand up for it:" A. A. Hodge

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» RE: CRIME PAYS Posted by: EmpowermentTrip
Terrytom: I wondered who he really pissed off
Posted by: terryton on Mar 20, 2009 5:12 AM   
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When this conflicted genius was being demolished, I say conflicted because as so often happens some really smart people act really dumb when it comes to satisfying their libido.
I wondered just who he really pissed off.
Now it is coming out.
Those who still fawn over Bush still have their own conflicted logic to repair.
I am not for gun control.
Arm yourselves this needs to get straightened out.

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» non-violence is our strength Posted by: chrysalis124812
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Spitzer's Fate Another Proof of U.S. Purpose
Posted by: lorenbliss on Mar 20, 2009 5:35 AM   
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As if we were not already overwhelmed by the evidence, Spitzer's fate (of course he was targeted) is merely more proof of the fact that government and governance in the U.S. have been reduced to one purpose: the propagation of capitalism -- that is, the protection of the ruling class and the subjugation of all the rest of us. Spitzer's circumstances merely add one more name to a long litany of episodes and victims that prove resistance is futile. The bitter bottom-line truth of the U.S. as it exists today (even with a president I now believe is genuinely progressive at heart) is that in a nation so ruled by capitalists (and its liberty thus already drowned in fascism and theocracy), there is no such thing as "change we can believe in."

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Why is Senator "sniffing in men's bathrooms" still around....
Posted by: xvictor on Mar 20, 2009 6:09 AM   
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.....yet, Eliott resigned his elected post rather quickly after the affair was publicized.

What Mr. Spitzer did was far less injurious and scandalous and devoid of hypocrisy. Contrast this to many holier-than-thou Rethugs pathetically caught with their pants down. Even the Clinton bj affair didn't bother me, but it sure rattled the phony Repugs.

Eliott's business was strictly personal. I won't it put it past AIG and vengeful rethugs to stain their criminal hands in this affair.

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Talk, Talk, Talk
Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 20, 2009 6:27 AM   
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I hope he does talk. I hope everyone starts talking. That would be one way to fix the mess we are in. Shock the public into understanding how much corruption is going on. How the system was taken advantage of by a few. How they let themselves be sheeple, manipulated into their own mess. Break down all codes of silence and lets have a public catharsis so we can start fresh. As they saying goes, "Who is the silence protecting?"

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» RE: Talk, Talk, Talk Posted by: VZEQICVA
gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 20, 2009 7:01 AM   
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Of course it was a set up against the former New York A.G.. Right after the news came out it was disclosed that it was a private detective hired by some big wig on Wall Street, that Spitzer exposed, who got the dirt on A.G.. Supposedly the private detective got on line behind him at a Western Union office while the Former A.G. was buying a money order to send to his hooker.
I've read where he had to be gotten out of the way because the crooks on Wall Street would never have been able to pull off the looting of America with him at the helm. He was always more daring to use The Martin Act more than any New York A.G. before him. The Martin Act allows the N.Y. A.G to go after any funds that travel through New York, which gives immense power to those who know how to use it and Spitzer was just such a man. I never thought with the freak show that goes on up on the hill that he should have left office, after all some have done a lot worse and the are still their. The powers that be got him out just so they could profit by his absence and boy did they profit. Anyone who thinks that what occurred to Spitzer and then to Wall Street was not a connected is just not getting it and I have a bridge to sell them.

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» RE: gimmie shelter Posted by: gimmie shelter
I've felt there was a reason for Spitzer's downfall all along
Posted by: sausage on Mar 20, 2009 7:02 AM   
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It's so damned obvious. David Vitter's still a Republican U.S. Senator from Louisiana while Elliot Spitzer is doing god know what around the house these days.

But's that's the true sign of reactionary, right wing hypocrisy isn't it?

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The Message Is Loud And Clear
Posted by: dover23 on Mar 20, 2009 7:03 AM   
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For all you government employees in positions of power:

If you serve UScorp you will be rewarded, we will not take your job and hookers away, and also, whether you're the governor of New York, or say an Arkansas, you might even become president someday

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Wow!!! Your article tied it together beautifully
Posted by: Razional Thinker on Mar 20, 2009 7:07 AM   
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Even as naive as I can sometimes be, the account of how Spitzer was found to be paying for hooker services never did make sense. I truly believe he was monitored for his "achilles heel" and everything was contrived from there. With all the known travesties of the Bush/Cheney administration is it any surprise that "they" would use any measure possible to take down a person who was onto the "wallstreet scam"? It seems "they"(Bush/Cheney) quite skillfully turned it into the "hookerstreet" expose'.
Another damn shame!! Just another one!!

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IT WAS NEVER ABOUT THE HOOKER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 20, 2009 7:41 AM   
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Elliot Spitzer is a genius and knows Wall St. and banking better than most. Hank Greenberg also emerged yesterday. Between the two of them we'll find out what happened. It doesn't begin and end with Wall st. The White House is very much a part of the puzzle. While regulations were discarded one by one the various ripoffs became possible. Creative math became the order of the day. Anyone obljecting to the "changes" and the new way of doing things was fired. Just to keep the public distracted Bush started a war. Sadly, nobody paid much attention to either and the Washington and Wall St. had their six year party. They had a good run and now the rest of us are paying the price. For those of you screaming about a full investigation of Bush/Cheney, I don't think it's too far in the future. This all runs together so be patient. Thanks, ANNA

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Watch Your Back
Posted by: QQOblivion on Mar 20, 2009 8:02 AM   
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This whole deal has me worried for Spitzer's and his family's welfare.
If I was him, I would hire PRIVATE personal security (unaffiliated with the government) and not take any trips by private plane any time soon!
(Wellstone. Wellstone.)

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» RE: Watch Your Back Posted by: VZEQICVA
penelobaby
Posted by: penelobaby on Mar 20, 2009 8:21 AM   
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Of course he was set up. Prosecutors have too much discretion and 0 accountability.

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come back when you can write
Posted by: doodahman on Mar 20, 2009 8:39 AM   
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I mean, holy crap. You are no writer.

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» RE: Proofread, please Posted by: tulugaq
» Parenthetical non-sequitur Posted by: 2dogarage
"THE PUS IS COMING OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE"
Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 20, 2009 8:51 AM   
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Maybe my metaphor is not appealing but I've been using it as a trained Doc observing our recent cultural meltdown.

It's extraordinarly painful but if "the patient(The USA)can survive the purging and cleansing" then maybe we have a chance?

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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stormy7
Posted by: STORMY78 on Mar 20, 2009 8:52 AM   
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I don't care why he was taken out. The man is a f--king pig.

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Spitzer
Posted by: om7buss on Mar 20, 2009 9:00 AM   
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The problem is that they are way ahead of US, cause they planned all this long time ago. How do you think that obama could have a plan of 1,100 pages in his fisrt 30 days in office? and so complex.......www.henrybook.com

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"THE PUS IS COMING OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE"
Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 20, 2009 8:51 AM   
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Maybe my metaphor is not appealing but I've been using it as a trained Doc observing our recent cultural meltdown.

It's extraordinarly painful but if "the patient(The USA)can survive the purging and cleansing" then maybe we have a chance?

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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A few words about Wall Street crooks....
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 20, 2009 9:50 AM   
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AIG keeps claiming that if they don't get bailout money they will collapse and take the entire american (and possibly the world's) economy down with them. They actually funnel the money they get, but likely don't really need, through shadow accounting to other companies to cover their losses while using some of it to pay themselves bonuses, then come back to government asking for even more, and get it, because "they are too big to fail" –– and will take down the whole economy if they do fail.

Three (or four) very common words come to mind here: "Extortion," "Bag man," and "Skimming" –– words permissable to use for the Mafia, but not for America's Aristocracy.

There are, however, some other words that I wish I could hear coming out of our "leadership": "Rico Act," "conspiracy to defraud," "Special Prosecutor," and my favorites, "life in prison without possiblity of parole."

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Democracy and Despotism....
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Mar 20, 2009 9:56 AM   
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Real indicators are things like rates of individual home/land ownership - if they drop, you move towards despotism.

What will the future hold? A permanent class of renters, living in homes they once used to own, while paying rent to an absentee landlord who snatched up their property at bargain rates after they were forced out by a combination of home overvaluations and wage losses?

Take a look:

http://www.archive.org/details/Despotis1946

and don't forget this:

CHAMPAGNE FLOWS AMID CHEERS ON WALL ST.
By PAUL THARP, NYPOST, March 11, 2008

Cheers erupted on trading floors around the city yesterday as word spread of the stunning downfall of Gov. Spitzer - who spent most of his term as attorney general torturing Wall Street with his witch hunt for financial wrongdoing.

An employee of a major investment bank, who requested anonymity, said the company chef had been instructed to break out bottles of champagne so that the staff could party and swap jokes about "client No. 9."

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» RE: Democracy and Despotism.... Posted by: gimmie shelter
Matt Tiabbi has just written a juicy article
Posted by: Koondog on Mar 20, 2009 9:56 AM   
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in the latest issue of Rolling Stone and breaks down this mess in detail and names the 12 men who had the most to do with ruining things for millions. Well worth reading if you don't already have high blood pressure.

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» Hey Mr. Holland, Feel me? Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: I will explain it to you Posted by: Sister_Lauren
I could not agree more...
Posted by: Pookiedog on Mar 20, 2009 10:02 AM   
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with your assessment on Mr. Spitzer's downfall. Obviously, he was targeted but he should have known better...but will the mainstream media give him a voice (I wonder?) He would be implicating not only the Bush adminsitration but the Obama's as well. You can not overlook Secy. Geithner role in this matter re: Goldman & Sachs.

Sadly, many people just don't get it and they are easily pacified by Obama's mea culpa for AIG. But why not ask..."Ok Mr. President, you took the blame, now what? " Because taxing the bonus @90% is not a strong enough punishment, anyway what do the AIG execs care, it was FREE MONEY!

p.s. Before you get a call from Hugh Grant's people, it was Eddie Murphy who picked up the transsexual streetwalker - Hugh's was 100% female.

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Self-Interest Country
Posted by: Gregsdiary on Mar 20, 2009 10:21 AM   
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"This is country that Spitzer is familiar with; he has been a terrible liability to entities that, under the Bush administration, were allowed to literally gut the country and its citizens. We might all find ourselves wanting to thank the egotistical crime fighter who cant keep it in his pants."

Spitzer's "crime" was giving a shit about the principle of public interest.

It boggles my mind what kind of corruption people can get away with--real crime--so long as it serves self-interest and the interests of wealth and power.

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Selective Morality Policing
Posted by: maxsmart on Mar 20, 2009 12:43 PM   
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I'd have to say there appears to an increasing amount of selective enforcedment of morality issues that can be used to discredit and destroy people based on rumor and inunuedo with no legal merit at all.
This seems to be coming at a time after Abu Graib when it was made clear to see that we are also getting in psycho-sexual torture and that such activity pretty much converts the torturer into sado-masochists.

That is why it grab my attention when secret intelligence operations are unleashed on our country for two issues, terrorism and sex offenders. Both categories are wildcard if I ever heard of it.

As to AIG, it is strangely reminiscent of the Enron selling of energy vaporware of a simitar kind. It certainly show just how much our country has become addicted to cyber money with no intrinsic worth at all. I don't regard this as a good trend at all, it is a matter of having one's feet on the ground, on the earth, rather than in imaginary realms, living in total fantasy. There is too much economic, sexual, military-industrial fantasy for us to handle.

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50 STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT, AGREED ON SOMETHING AND
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Mar 20, 2009 1:20 PM   
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they were wrong. 50 state banking commissioners, republican and democrat, agreed on something and they too were wrong. Spitzer had an Achilles heel. They got him.

The American people still seem unable to unmarry private and public morality. The republicans play that fact like a musical instrument. They don't play it for music, they play it for money.

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Credit Card Offers
Posted by: needlefoot on Mar 20, 2009 1:56 PM   
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"Every week came a new offer from our bank or credit card...". Come to think of it, I have not received a credit card offer in a long, long time. I used to shred them, one after the other. Now my shredder is quiet, still, at peace. It is nice not to be constantly hammered to consume, consume, consume - especially knowing that the result of increased consumption puts me into debt and fattens the cats at the top of the food chain. I really don't feel like supporting their profligate lifestyles anymore.

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..and J. Edgar Hoover sent a letter to Dr. Martin Luther King.
Posted by: PaulK on Mar 20, 2009 4:56 PM   
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The FBI letter told Dr. King that "we know" and encouraged Dr. King to commit suicide. A few months later Dr. King was murdered. The circumstances of the murder investigation were quite suspicious, with a lone gunman being prosecuted.

Is this law and order?

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They ALL Fucked Up
Posted by: gellero1 on Mar 20, 2009 5:43 PM   
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WALL STREET invented the 'credit derivitives market' THEY TOOK RISKS WITH THE STABILITY OF OUR FIAT MONEY.

Of course they should not be rewarded.

In Feudal Japan, they would have all committed sepuku silmultaneously. It would have been the honorable thing to do.

But in our 'civi;ized' society, the Barons and Dukes don't have to worry about we serfs at the Castle gates with pitchforks and scythes ( wonder how the course of history may have changed if they had the 2nd Ammendment in those days )

But face facts....these 'exploit the serfs' wealth ' bailout packages are engineered by the very same institutions that created the 65 TRILLION $$ Credit Derivative market collapse.
The Fed....Bernake, Geithner....The Banks....Rubin & pals, And our Goverment....Dodd, Frank, Pres Obama ( as a Senator ), the Congressional Black Caucus....The Hispanic Caucus, The Welfare Lobby....and of course, their enabelers in the 'Ancienne Regime'....
ALL had their hand in this.....so why are they still ruling??

This is the best justification I can think of to hide your AK-47 and 10,000 rounds of ammo ( with a dozen or so Kruugerrands ). The same Institutions and personalities that engineered this mess are the ones the People have entrused to clean it up !!

Democracy isn't always smart.

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» RE: They ALL Fucked Up Posted by: mnstra
If
Posted by: SocoLoco on Mar 20, 2009 8:00 PM   
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If the media bothered to pay attention to Spitzer's investigations rather than inflate this issue, real or imagined we would have had more insight into this earlier. No they jumped on this b*llsh*t call-girl story. The media glazes over the real crimes taking place and push this crap? American perspective is seriously skewed.

If Clinton can get a blowjob from an Intern and still be qualified to run the country after lying about it what about Spitzer? Could he still function as a AG?

So, who's more effective at screwing over Americans, terrorists or American financiers? Al Qaeda pales in comparison to these thieves.

Why does the FED hate America? Maybe because they hate our freedoms and way of life. Think about it. Audit the FED, follow the money.

So Obama takes campaign contributions from the very institutions he is going to fix? Right. Change you can't believe in.

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Ponzi Scheme extravaganza
Posted by: cbishopp on Mar 20, 2009 9:49 PM   
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First Bearnie Maddoff held the title of greatest Ponzi scheme in history, now AIG proves that there is still one larger. Hopefully soon people will start to realize that the entire economy is a Ponzi scheme waiting to buckle.
As the Federal Reserve continues to create money from nothing and we continue to become the poorest nation on earth as our tax dollars are paid in interest to private coffers MAYBE the loss of all our wealth has finally taught us something.
"Too big to fail" really means "total bullshit that once discovered cannot survive."
It's great to see Spitzer get his due. But the war is far from over.

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Another peice
Posted by: SteveO on Mar 21, 2009 8:09 AM   
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It's no coincident that the bankruptcy laws were rewritten in 2005 by the "best congress money could buy". These big players knew the whole system was going to collapse and had to make sure the people they had been feeding credit to like crack would not be bailing out by filing chapter 7.

There is no doubt in my mind that Spitzer was setup by a justice department that was as for sale as congress, the white house and the supreme court.

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» RE: Another peice Posted by: gimmie shelter
gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 21, 2009 8:52 AM   
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I wonder if "WE The People" could put together a fund to hire Elliot directly to do an independent investigation of what really went on. Not like all the ones our government does where they leave out most of the facts to support preapproved conclusions, like The Warren Commission, The 9-11 Commission and so on, you know the ones I mean where the people on the commissions helped to do what they are investigating. Maybe if Elliot is not available maybe we could hire Greg Palast, although I believe Elliot has a lot more friends on the inside of government.
What do you think?

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Wow
Posted by: RipVanWil on Mar 21, 2009 8:59 AM   
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This would not surprise me in the least. Sadly, thats just how it works.

RT
http://www.online-privacy.pro.tc

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The Shepherd in the Pulpit declaimed_
Posted by: Zeugitai on Mar 21, 2009 1:50 PM   
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>> . . . when the mainstream is showing us the shiny object, we must resist the temptation to succumb to our base natures and try to see the bigger picture.

Every article and many of the forum posts include at least one glaringly naive fulcrum point like the one above.

For an argument to be persuasive, it cannot turn on fantasy.

If it does, it becomes humor, and the argument dissolves.

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check this out, from 2003
Posted by: Laucarlson on Mar 21, 2009 4:14 PM   
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Here's a quick link. I always thought Spitzer was being set up. http://info.tpj.org/press_releases/piobankers.html

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New currency needed
Posted by: Laucarlson on Mar 21, 2009 4:17 PM   
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We need to come up with a new type of currency. Begin issuing some sort of money independent of the fed. Didn't JFK do something similar? It could even be a scrip of some sort. Let's just bypass the banks with another type of system.

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S A M O
Posted by: remo on Mar 21, 2009 9:46 PM   
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interesting morality. a man exposing a corrupt cabal of inside jobbers as they create the biggest fraud known to humankind , gets outed as a 'user of prostitutes' is shamed into silence.
The same cabal also is due trial for the lies generated while orchestrating an illegal war based on the other 'inside job' of 911..A war that has already murdered well over a million people.
All that is fine, just don't dick with prostitutes .

Did I read somewhere Jeb bushs name as having worked in goldmans recently or was it lehmans? Dosn't matter, its all the same.

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um, spitzer was/is a dem
Posted by: b_cook on Mar 21, 2009 10:47 PM   
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spitzer was/is a democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer

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Dewd
Posted by: dewd on Mar 22, 2009 11:24 AM   
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Anybody been tracking Carlyle lately ? There's some ex-Goldman Sachs and other golden boys over there, too... and they are at root level of EVERYTHING. It's what they do.

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» RE: Dewd Posted by: gimmie shelter
gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 22, 2009 4:13 PM   
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Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can take this country back from the crooks.

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Melina! - superb writing
Posted by: kogwonton on Mar 22, 2009 7:30 PM   
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This story is one to follow closely, and you write with such delicious aggression. Well done.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 29, 2009 12:07 PM   
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Lets see, we have:
the former president run by corporations
the present president run by corporations
Congress run by corporations
Senate run by corporations
Pentagon run by corporations
the State Dept. run by corporations
the Dept of Education run by corporations
FDA run by corporations
EPA run by corporations
CIA run by corporations
The Supreme Court run by corporations
Dept. of Justice run by corporations
Health Care run by corporations
Wall Street run by corporations
Two wars run by corporations
State governments run by corporations
Local governments run by corporations
Are there any I left out?

The problem with taking back this country we have loved and cherished over the years is that we no longer own it. We are only visitors now and must abide by the corporate owners wishes, otherwise we will be asked to leave. Citizens have been reduced to the same tenuous position that illegals are in after they cross the U.S. border into this country.

We are here but without any say in the way things get done or if they get done. Without real protection and the bonuses that the corporate folks have we are forced to rely on social programs which at any moment could fail due to corporate interference which have put them into certain peril. And much like other trespassers into this country we are not welcomed unless we will work for less than what we need to live. But just like those workers we will have to pool our resources and crowd into communal living accommodations to preserve our precious money.

One thing though, when they kick us out of their country where will we go?

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This IS interesting, there could be something to this . . .
Posted by: charles000 on Apr 5, 2009 10:13 AM   
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This IS interesting, there could be something to this . . .

At this point, nothing would surprise me. One thing I can say with certainty, there is absolutely nothing unusual about the combination of politicians, and "ladies of the evening".

Could there be a case for this situation with the governor been given "special attention" because of the impending AIG debacle? Absolutely!

One has to keep in mind that AIG is a keystone in the midst of this entire economic meltdown debacle. It was their insurance business in particular which played a key role in creating and enabling the strange and "creative" so called investment vehicles that are now referred to as toxic assets, with a global impact in the trillions of dollars of "fake" equity.

There should be much more follow-up to this emerging scenario.

Thanks for posting it here.

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