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The $800 Billion Gamble: Economists Say Stimulus Cuts Could Be 'Disastrous'

Posted by Thomas B. Edsall, Huffington Post at 7:38 AM on February 9, 2009.


There is no guarantee that the stimulus legislation will pull the country -- or the global economy -- out of its downward spiral.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, pushing for fast action on the stimulus bill, turned to a well-worn maxim: "We should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

The bill the Senate is expected to send to a conference committee as soon as Tuesday includes provisions -- particularly the $69.8 billion one-year "patch" on the alternative minimum tax (AMT) -- that key economists and budget specialists say are less likely to have the maximum anti-recessionary impact than direct spending provisions calling for substantial purchases by all levels of government.

The Senate has compounded the weaknesses in the bill by sharply cutting what economists agree are essential ingredients of a stimulus bill, including $40 billion in aid to states and $16 billion for school construction.

The reaction to the changes adopted at the behest of a small but key group of "centrist" Senators -- Maine Republicans Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Arlen Specter (R-PA) -- was strong.

"The compromise is worse than the original bill because it is smaller, and the changes appear to have reduced rather than increased the bang-for-buck effectiveness of the bill," said Berkeley economist J. Bradford DeLong, who was a Deputy Assistant Treasury Secretary during the Clinton administration. "Ben Nelson and Susan Collins don't appear to have understood what they were doing very well -- the point is to keep lots of extra Americans from being unemployed for the next two years and have them, instead, do useful things for the country. Nelson and Collins, well, it's not clear what their objective is."

Jeffrey D. Sachs, Quetelet Professor of Sustainable Development at Columbia -- considered one of the world's foremost economists and a leading advocate of "shock therapy" as applied to former Eastern bloc countries -- said that "comparing the House and Senate versions, the Senate version is clearly worse: more tax cuts, less infrastructure, and less in transfers to state and local governments." Instead, Sachs said, "Immediate and sizable spending increases in the stimulus package should be directed to a few areas: significant support for our crisis-ridden state and local governments [just what got cut in the Senate], especially for health (Medicaid), education, and other urgent public services; income support (unemployment, anti-poverty including food stamps and child nutrition); health care coverage for the uninsured (as well as adequate Medicaid funding mentioned earlier); and a significant multi-year rollout of infrastructure of all sorts (roads, rail, other mass transit, ports, water, energy, broadband, etc.)."

University of Texas economist James Galbraith was more outspoken: "The behavior of the so-called bipartisan group has been outrageous. On the economics, they are pretending to know things they can't possibly know: specifically, (a) how deep and serious the crisis actually is, and (b) what is 'stimulus' and what is not. The reality is, professional economists have no clear idea how bad things can get..... The cutbacks to state aid have every potential of being disastrous. What they really reflect is the indifference of people who represent places like Nebraska and Maine to what goes on in New York or California."

Menzie D. Chinn, professor of Public Affairs and Economics at the University of Wisconsin, said about the Senate bill, "I don't understand the direction of the movement toward cutting spending. Cutting the transfers to the states seems particularly ill-advised, as we have a good feeling that the propensity to spend out these funds will be high and relatively quick."

Chinn said he would prefer more "direct infrastructure spending, more transfers to states, and fewer tax cuts than in either bill. As a person, I think a lot of these cuts out of the original Senate bill were pretty mean-spirited, including cutting $1 billion from Head Start/Early Start, or bone-headed, like eliminating $200 million from the National Science Foundation. But I must admit I am not surprised that the Republicans would push these sorts of measures."

One of the biggest -- but least discussed -- of the big ticket items in the compromise Senate bill is the "patch" on the Alternative Minimum Tax. The AMT was originally designed to insure that the super-rich, capitalizing on loopholes, pay at least some federal tax. Bracket creep through inflation, however, means the AMT has begun to adversely affect upper-middle-class households with incomes from $100,000 to $300,000.

The massive AMT tax patch expenditure -- $12.4 billion more than the entire Department of Education's $59.4 billion 2007-8 budget -- received a "grade" of D-minus, the lowest grade given to any the Senate proposals, from the Brookings-Urban Institute's Tax Policy Center. "Neither timely nor targeted; makes no sense as economic stimulus," the Center declared about the provision in their Tax Stimulus Report Card.

"The AMT is a complete waste of money from a stimulus point of view," said Georgetown economist and former chief economist for the U.S. Department of Labor, Harry J. Holzer. "All the money goes to high income people who will not spend most of it."

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) also performed calculations to indicate what kind of new spending and tax cuts would be most effective. The changes in the Senate bill to bring Senators Collins, Specter, Snowe, and Nelson on board appear to directly contradict the CBO recommendations.

The CBO calculated the multiplier effect -- "the cumulative impact on GDP [Gross Domestic Product] over several quarters" -- of various types of spending and tax cuts. "For example, a one-time increase in federal purchases of goods and services of $1.00 in the second quarter of this year would raise GDP by [a low estimate of] $1.00 to [a high estimate of] $2.50 in total over several quarters." In other words, the higher the multiplier, the better the stimulus effect.

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Source: Congressional Budget Office

Note: For each option, the figures shown are a range of "multipliers," that is, the cumulative change in gross domestic product over several quarters, measured in dollars, per dollar of additional spending.

According to the high estimate, the AMT patch has just one fifth (0.5) the multiplier effect of direct government purchases by state, federal or local governments (2.5). The CBO notes that "direct purchases of goods and services by governments, including investment in infrastructure, tend to have relatively large effects on GDP."

After dicing and slicing the Senate stimulus bill, Senator Snowe of Maine did what politicians always do: declare they did the right thing.

"The catalog of arguments in the Senate have spanned the gamut -- from those who believed this bill initially was about the right size and the right balance to those who thought it was far too expensive, providing too little bang for the proverbial buck," Snowe said. "However, through true consensus building, the Senate has rightly been engaged in a vigorous and healthy debate to arrive at this monumental compromise."

No matter what the House and Senate finally agree upon, there is no guarantee that the stimulus legislation will pull the country -- or the global economy -- out of its downward spiral.

"Just looking around the world, demand is collapsing," Nigel Gault, managing director at IHS Global Insight, told the New York Times. "This recession is of a different order of magnitude." Ian Shepherdson of High Frequency Economics told clients, according to the Times, that "We remain firmly of the view that the package now in Congress is the bare minimum required," predicting that "it will ultimately prove too small." Allen Sinai, who runs Decision Economics, also commented on the stimulus bill to the Times: "My model says it will generate three to four million jobs, but I'm not sure I believe my own models....We're in uncharted waters here."

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Thomas B. Edsall is the political editor of the Huffington Post. He is also Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism.


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Solidarity Now
Posted by: Gaubladt on Feb 9, 2009 8:10 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This could be a blessing in disguise.
But,only if we all stand up and show solidarity for our brothers and sisters working as state employees, teachers, professors and school construction workers.
If these people don't organize quickly, they (we) may loose their jobs, or even perish.

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» RE: Solidarity Now Posted by: edgar1
AMT Tax
Posted by: JSquercia on Feb 9, 2009 8:44 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The problem with the aAMT tax is that impacts many middle income tax payers from High Income High Tax States . This arises because the income at which it kicks in was NOT indexed .
Historically it has been Fixed each and every year . So it would hardly do much in reality .To me it was seriously flawed because it treats such thigs as exemptions , medical expenses and itemized deductions for taxes as if they were tax avoidance gimmicks in the same manner as items such as intangible drilling costs and mining exploration and development costs .

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The Economy is Driven by Consumer Spending
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 9, 2009 10:15 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Until consumers start buying in mass again, the recession won't end, no matter what kind of bills congress passes.

The bills congress should be trying to pass are ones that enable debt ridden consumers to shed their debt as quickly and easily and at as low an interest rate as possible.

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» RE: The economy is driven by jobs. Posted by: Defenestrator
This is a DEPRESSION.
Posted by: Ghoulman on Feb 9, 2009 12:48 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Great article, wish it were the headline of the NYT, but I guess that just won't happen.

It's a depression caused by exactly the same actions that the Republicans (and Clinton era Democrats who now enjoy a return to power) have taken in the past. It's turned this bill from 'stimulus' to 'tax cuts'.

Tax cuts are not stimulus.

The stimulus to the economy is necessary RIGHT NOW. For the poor, for the state governments, for the majority of the people who are, in fact, the economy themselves. If the Republicans are so loyal to their 'free market' economic ideology over the bankruptcy and Depression of the entire nation, one wonders who's side they are really on.

It's going to be a long, cold, decade of depression punctuated by just the sort of mean politics Washington is famous for.

While the entire people of the USA have given Obama a mandate beyond anything the Republicans ever had in the last 28 years, showing that as a people they are progressive and want change, Washington is committed to the status quo even onto economic ruin (let alone illegal war and torture). What a sad time we are living in. At least I can look up to Obama and hope, beyond hope, his shining light will allow the progressive voice that is the real America be heard in Washington sometime soon. Because if the 'free market' Milton Friedman fans don't drop their 'government is the problem' rhetoric things will just get worse and worse.

Again, I'd like to see this as a headline in the NYT or even any media, because right now it's all right wing Republican, pro-corporate tax cut baloney. Which goes to show, if Washington can get away with tax cuts for the rich without anyone in the media calling them on their baloney then there are no consequences to their actions. After all, if you could steal billions from the American people and know that the media, government, and the SEC would let you get away with it... wouldn't you?

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» RE: This is a DEPRESSION. Posted by: Perry Logan
» RE: yes. Posted by: Ghoulman
newdeal
Posted by: politicalagnostic on Feb 9, 2009 12:55 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It seems to me that our new President is listening to the wrong people. I have read numerous articles from people outside the system who look to have way better and more understandable solutions to our current crisis than his" advisors." If I can find this information, so can they. It's out there for all to see, if you're looking.

As for the AMT, it seems to me that the simplest solution would be to go back to the beginning,use all the data available to date, and figure out what the AMT would be today if it had been indexed for inflation. I realize it would amount to a substancial increase, so maybe it could be phased in.

Perhaps all these experts have their ideas clouded by the complicated. Maybe if they thought of less complicated and more easily implimented solutions,things would get fixed sooner rather than later, or not at all.

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It's not enough to offset cuts at the state level.
Posted by: Defenestrator on Feb 9, 2009 2:49 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's so frustrating to watch the Democrats cave yet again. There is a place for bipartisanship, but not when the opposition is factually incorrect. What we have now is the average of one good idea and one bad idea. One of the worst parts of the bill is $40B in cuts to what was planned to go the states. Aside from the fact that at least 39 states are imposing or planning cuts that hurt vulnerable residents, spending cuts at the state level "undo" spending increases at the federal level. Part of what is going on is that there is less capital in circulation, and a big spending infusion is supposed to add capital to circulation. As Krugman pointed out a few months ago, part of the reason that FDR's "surge" in spending didn't work right away is because it was "undone" by cuts at the state level. Right now, the same thing is happening. Here's a quick survey of budget cuts at the state level right now (correct me if I've got something wrong in your state):

Alabama $539 M (unless there is bailout money)
Alaska $268 M
Arizona $1.6 B
Arkansas (not sure)
California $17.5 B
Colorado $632 M
Connecticut (relying on bailout money, includes layoffs) at least $389M
Delaware $606M proposed
Florida about $800M
Georgia $2B
Hawaii possibly $2B
Idaho $3M
Illinois over $1B
Indiana none so far
Iowa planning to make cuts
Kansas $306M
Kentucky working to pass $456M in cuts
Louisiana working on passing cuts, after federal money is passed out
Maine $830M in cuts and raised fees
Maryland $297M
Massachusetts $1B
Michigan at least $460M, more planned

(continued)

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» RE: interesting stuff! Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: Let them vote! Posted by: Sushi
» RE: State Aid Posted by: Defenestrator
Oink Oink
Posted by: edgar1 on Feb 9, 2009 2:53 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
An 800 billion dollar cut(including defense and homeland security). Now you're talkin. Federal spending doesn't create wealth or permanent jobs that generate other jobs. Just fat. Stinky stinky fat. Put a straw hat on farmer Obama. Oink Oink.

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HOW TO FIX THE ECOMONY AND RETURN TO SANITY
Posted by: Dennis St. John on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
http://www.themoneymasters.com/

Check out the information on the above website. This is legitimate information, unless you consider the renowned economist Milton Friedman to be a nut job. I read about the federal reserve, which is not federal but rather a consortium of private banks with foreign bank affiliations, years ago and this site agrees with my previous findings.

The national debt could be paid off in less than one year, with no inflation or deflation, and the American economy revived. The banks are the problem, and they virtually own Congress. As Mark Twain said, "We have the best politicians money can buy."

The following presidents were strongly opposed to a central bank: Jefferson, Madison, Jackson (who wrote an eloquent argument against a national bank), Lincoln (who printed greenbacks or National Notes--as opposed to the current Federal Reserve Notes--during the Civil War), and Teddy Roosevelt. Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 and deeply regretted it, lamenting that he had sold America into perpetual enslavement to the banking system.

According to the US Constitution, only the Congress has the power to mint coins or make money. They have given that power to private enterprise.

Stop and think about how crazy it is to bail out big banks with taxpayer dollars. Those big banks will continue to gamble because when they win they collect billions and when they lose the federal government pays them billions.

Change we can believe in? Obama has so far continued politics as usual. Only if we return to pre-1913 fiscal sanity can we get out of this morass.

Yes, I'm crazy. What’s your point?

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KLEPTOCRACY FASCISM RULES
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 9, 2009 9:19 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Okay: here is another take based on reality and not circus Washington-MSM liar fest rot.

Private Wall Street Big Banks that own the Ponzi trap “Federal Reserve” Corp (not federal and with minus ZERO reserves) will again loot and soak gullible taxpayers left holding the toxic Wall Street bag of never-ending bad debts.

So we again have the “too big to fail” parasite ruling class sticking it to the “too small to save” little people who now pay for another drunken orgy of gambling and spending by Organized Corporate Crime FASCISTS that run virtually everything out of a Washington-MSM propaganda madhouse. (Now presided over by puppet cum runway model Obama who took the place of village idiot sociopath GW Bush)

Put another way – this is about Kleptocracy Fascism pushed down the nation’s throat as phony “capitalism” brand bogus “democracy” with Americans too brainwashed to know the difference. Meanwhile said Americans are in the process of getting taken for everything they’ve got including what's left of their "democracy" and founding freedoms.

A latest Treasury proposal by ex-Fascist “FED” banker Geithner is more of the same.

Courtesy of investor Jim Sinclair we have the latest proposal for bailing out the freeloading Corporate Crime Class by way of the really Bad Bank private “FED” Corporation over 9 points:



1. nothing whatsoever has been done about the basic problem which is the failure of the OTC derivatives. As long as the basic problem is not addressed by true valuation and bankruptcy of the friends of Washington all attempts to whitewash the disaster will in a short time wash away.

2. The problem is how to value the failed OTC derivative properly because we can't use the "zero" word.

3. Because of #2, the US Treasury will guarantee a false value. Since the majority of SIVs (Structured Investment Vehicles) will never perform due to bankruptcy in the asset chain, the US government will have to guarantee these at 100% of whatever value they intend to raise money on.

4. Next, the US treasury will have to guarantee and/or provide 100% of the funds borrowed or raised to make this worthless unless guaranteed investment in a pile of miss-valued worthless SIV paper.

5. Yielding the plan as it is now conceived is a useless camouflage of bankruptcy to be paid in via guarantee by the US taxpayer.

6. We need no Bad Bank as we already have a really BAD one called the Federal Reserve. It is stuffed to its own bankruptcy level with all its financial pal's OTC derivatives - also called toxic paper.

7. The majority of dopes and all the financial media will praise this outstanding job of window dressing and whitewash painting as solid accomplishment at last.

8. The media will have done a solid job instructing you that Toxic Paper is the villain, not those that manufactured the toxic paper OTC derivatives and distributed them, now having been bailed out 100% at your personal expense.

9. This is all a devil's financial brew being moiled and boiled daily in hopes of keeping you all firmly intoxicated.

Jim Sinclair

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"Stimulus Package" is another TOTAL CROCK DECOY
Posted by: PointMan on Feb 10, 2009 12:12 AM   
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Giving money away to states for more cozy corporate politico bureaucrats to pick over along with tax cuts for the “too big to fail” crowd, etc, will not save anyone. (Money for “education”, medical care etc, should not be an emergency “stimulus package” – the idea is absurd) This whole thing is like giving one of the 3 stooges a shotgun to blow a hole in his sinking boat and the water out. Or playing shuffleboard drunk while taking bong hits on the doomed Titanic.

Far better would be to stop the foreclosures and give the trillions directly to the people (lifejackets and row boats) as the Police State thieves that created the crisis are allowed to go bankrupt. Then put these crooks in jail or force them to do community service for a minimum of a decade (after their stolen wealth is confiscated).

Unfortunately the Police State corporate Mafia that produced our latest manmade money disaster is in charge of mocking up the fake “Federal Reserve” cash “cure”. These gangsters also paid for and run snake oil quick “change” artist Obama.

Corporate bloody Fox is in a henhouse called the U.S.

Good luck America. You’re going to need it.

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Blue Dog Republicans and bad math
Posted by: warrior woman on Feb 10, 2009 5:59 AM   
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Blue Dogs were called Conservative Democrats prior to the election and over the past couple of years. Often there were headlines decrying their participation in enhanced FISA, the Patriot and Military Commissions Acts, they are pro-life, pro-war, and fiscal conservatives which is another name for tax cut guys. They are in fact, Republicans by another name.

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Thursday 06 March 2008

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When infusing the economy with dollars that will be spent, the associated workers who deliver the service or goods contribute to the tax system in the amount of their tax bracket. They also contribute to state coffers. What this translates to is for every dollar of stimulus spent, a certain amount comes back to the government in tax revenue. Cutting these programs makes little sense when economists on both sides of the aisle agree that tax cuts don't stimulate the economy.

We need a tough President and a Congress that is enlightened to act in the country's best interests. We do not have the Congress, not with the Republican/Blue Dog coalitions. In fact, with the Blue Dogs, the Republicans have a majority which is why we are not seeing a fruitful package. Appeasement time is over.

Perhaps we should can the stimulus bill and start over. Spending 800 billion to gain a bit over 400 billion in stimulus is another time where the govt pays too much for its purchase, this time, 2 to 1. We aren't going to get many kicks at the cat, we need to make this one good and putting a bandaid on the economy isn't going to fix it. We need an overhaul before it's too late.

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