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Cops Get Their Kicks, Tasering

Posted by Digby, Hullabaloo at 10:28 AM on December 1, 2008.


The police have no right to shoot people with electricity for having a "bad attitude."

 

Torridjoe at Loaded Orygun is following the taser controversy and sees the same problem that I do with this weapon. He recounts this interesting story in the Portland Mercury about the city's use of tasers, which discusses at some length the data that shows the seemingly inevitable "mission creep" that overtakes police departments when they start using the weapon.

Torrid Joe writes:

Now, ordinarily I might not jump so quickly to allow Australia's empirical study to characterize the situation in Portland, especially without more precise data from our bureau on usage patterns. But the new head of the police union, Scott Westerman, does a bang-up job of reflecting exactly the kind of sentiment that would lead to a broader, more aggressive style of use:

 

"As more and more people mistakenly believe it's socially acceptable to publicly challenge the police, it creates an environment where people think that it is okay to ignore a uniformed police officer giving them commands," Westerman continues. "The environment in Portland allows this more frequently than in other cities."

I had to read that a couple of times to make sure he was saying what I thought he was saying, but he is: Westerman is telling us that Portland tases people because they're disrespectful punks who are insufficiently restrained by the city's social culture.

 

I frankly don't know what he's referring to when he talks about "social acceptability," other than the idea that Portland residents may actually better understand their legal rights to challenge police activity, and asserting that knowledge is more acceptable here than elsewhere. It is entirely legal to challenge police on their behavior regarding your rights, certainly until one is told they are under detention for some reason (not arrest, but detention--as in, when you ask "am I free to go," they say no.") Cops of course don't like to have their authority challenged, and Westerman is pretty clear that in his view, it's this permissiveness about boldly attempting to assert one's rights that's the problem--not, say, the fact that Portlanders tend to pose a more consistent threat to public safety, which would explain the tasings on a more rational-legal basis.

By giving this response to the question of changing usage patterns at PPB, Westerman not only implicitly admits that the focus has shifted from less-than-lethal to compliance circumstances--but pins that shift on cultural issues in the community, rather than those of the police bureau. In other words, if people would just shut up and do exactly as they're told without being rude or asking questions, they wouldn't be asking for the short sharp shock.

 

This is exactly right and that attitude is reflected by an awful lot of people, even those who appear in my comment section from time to time.

Yes, it's awful that Tasers can cause death and injury in some people. Clearly, they are much more dangerous than the manufacturers or the police will admit. But that isn't really the point. The fact is that Americans have a legal right not to comply with the police, and the police have no right to shoot them with electricity for having a "bad attitude."

A "little bit" of torture isn't any more legal than a whole lot of it. Pain that doesn't leave marks is still pain. And the police requiring the citizens of this country to comply or risk being tortured until they do is un-American.

It seems that juries (in Seattle) are starting to get the message: 

Bonner, his wife, his daughter and 3-year-old granddaughter had been called to the department by Lievero, who was investigating allegations that Bonner's wife had physically abused the couple's grandchild. The allegations stemmed from a bitter custody battle involving Bonner's daughter and her former boyfriend. Bonner and his family came to the department to dispute the allegations, according to court documents. 

Lievero took the family into an interview room, where things did not go well. Bonner said he was frustrated, at one point telling Lievero, "We know you are not an idiot, so why are you acting like one?" according to trial briefs.

The detective ended the interview and told Bonner to leave.

Bonner thought he might have better luck with Chief Rick Kieffer, whose office was just a few steps down the hallway from the interview room, but in the opposite direction from where he had come in, according to documents filed by Bonner's attorney, Jeffrey Needle.

Lievero told Bonner he couldn't leave that way. When Bonner said he wanted to talk to the chief, Lievero responded that he had to make an appointment with the receptionist and that he would be arrested if he didn't stop, the documents say.

"By the time Detective Lievero had finished making this statement, (Bonner) had arrived at Chief Rick Kieffer's door and had stopped walking," Needle wrote.

Kieffer was standing in the doorway, but before Bonner could speak, witnesses said Lievero grabbed Bonner's arm and forced it behind his back. Bonner complained to Kieffer that the detective was "out of control and shaking" as another officer joined Lievero, grabbed Bonner's other arm and began walking him back toward the reception area.

Bonner claims he did not resist, although the officers say otherwise. Lievero described Bonner as belligerent, and the city's attorneys said in court documents that he "stormed" the chief's office...

While Bonner was being escorted out of the station, Lievero delivered at least two jolts from his Taser, set on "touch-stun mode." Bonner said the first one knocked him to his knees. The second time, he was on his stomach while being handcuffed.

"Lievero testified that he Tased (Bonner) only after he observed (the other officer's) unsuccessful efforts to place plaintiff in a position to be handcuffed," according to Needle's trial brief.

The other officer, however, said in a deposition that Bonner "was under control."

[...]

The panel, after eight days of testimony, acquitted the detective of assault, but found that Lievero violated Bonner's civil rights by using excessive force during the arrest. It awarded him $35,000 in compensatory damages and, because the panel found Lievero's actions were "malicious ... oppressive, or in reckless disregard" of Bonner's rights, awarded him $25,000 more in punitive damages.

In defense of the police, it has to be said that they are told over and over again by the Taser manufacturers, the politicians and the public that it's no big deal if they inflict horrifying pain on the citizens of this country whenever they want to. We've turned "don't Tase me bro" into a national joke. They have no reason to think it's any worse than wrestling a suspect to the ground or screaming at them in an interrogation room.

But it is far worse. The intent, more often than not, is to incapacitate citizens by inflicting horrible pain and force their compliance with threats of more of that pain. Sometimes it's used as punishment for being disrespectful or uncooperative, as in the case above. Those are the methods of a police state, not a democracy.

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WHO DECIDES WHO GETS TO USE TASER GUNS?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 1, 2008 12:40 PM   
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They seem to be handed out indiscriminately and with little or no training. How is it decided exctly when to use a taser gun and who gets one? What are the requirements? Sorry but these things are handed out like they were water pistols. Frankly, I can't rule out that to some extent they are fun to use. That has nothing to do with "unacceptable behavior", whatever that is. ANNA

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» The "Justice" system... Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: JOIN AND SUPPORT THE ACLU Posted by: Bliss Doubt
First they tortured the Iraqis and I didn't speak up ...
Posted by: gar1948 on Dec 1, 2008 1:37 PM   
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"First they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."

- Rev. Martin Niemoller in 1946

Welcome to the results of the "necessity" to repeal civil liberties for a few people deemed criminals without trail.

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Harmless Tasers?
Posted by: f2411 on Dec 1, 2008 1:44 PM   
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We have had several instances of taser use resulting in death here in Canada. As a retired nurse nobody will ever convince me that a jolt of electricity, regardless of the voltage, is not potentially fatal. I think people whose bodies are weakened by drug or alcohol are particularly susceptible. Tasers in the hands of untrained officers with an attitude are a recipe for disaster.

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» RE: Harmless Tasers? Posted by: leTerrassier
» RE: Harmless Tasers? Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Harmless Tasers? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Harmless Tasers? Posted by: fearn
I would rather be hit...
Posted by: Obijuan on Dec 1, 2008 1:51 PM   
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...than tazed. There is where the argument lies. The baton should be used to subdue before electricity. A baton to the shoulder or stomach would be just as effective and FAR LESS LETHAL. It's just plain sad that this is allowed in the USA.

Greatest country in the world.

Greatest joke, actually.

obi

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» RE: I would rather be hit... Posted by: leTerrassier
» I bet they prefer to tase Posted by: End The Echo
» and I'd rather be tased than shot Posted by: AdamSelene40
Tasers are one more eddy in the downward
Posted by: pelican beak on Dec 1, 2008 3:11 PM   
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spiral.

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Regulate Tasers
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Dec 2, 2008 1:07 AM   
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The Taser is a potentially useful law enforcement tool if it is used in lieu of firearms when there is danger to life or limb. It's potentially lethal, but less so than guns. However, in cases such as this a dangerous weapon was used when no one was at risk.

Since these devices are sold throughout the country, Congress can and should regulate their use. They should be used only when absolutely necessary to protect the officer or others against death or serious bodily harm, and incidents should be investigated in the same manner as police shootings, with prosecution for inappropriate use.

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» RE: egulate Tasers Posted by: Inlander
US Police state
Posted by: Don Quixote on Dec 2, 2008 1:28 AM   
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"Those are the methods of a police state, not a democracy." What democracy? It only looks like one. It is a one party system that looks like too. the same dog with different collars, as Kruschev said.

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CPC 148: Not following lawful orders of a peace officer could lead to a misdemeanor charge.
Posted by: aouie01 on Dec 2, 2008 2:05 AM   
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The article may mislead people into thinking it is perfectly okay to not follow a peace officer's commands unless one is under arrest. That is bad advice and could land many in trouble.

If the peace officer's orders are not lawful, then one is not required to follow it. If a peace officer orders (as opposed to suggests or requests or advices) one to do something as part of the peace officer's duty, then not following it is a violation of CPC 148. Unless pretty certain that the order is non-lawful, it is legally safer to comply on the spot, and challenge / complain / sue later.

California Penal Code 148. (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or obstructs any public officer, peace officer ... in the discharge or attempt to discharge any duty of his or her office or employment ...

Sincerely,
Aouie

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When somone tells you that you can suffer a 75Kv .03 ma 2/4Mc shock w/out damage they are lying
Posted by: Nightstallion on Dec 2, 2008 3:03 AM   
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These shocks are pulsed polyphase current These shocks are pulsed polyphase current designed to disrupt and short circuit the nervous system of an ADULT human being. This cannot be accomplished without scarring axons and ganglia alike. Anyone telling you differently is a GOD damned liar.

Now for certain mutants in society to whom extreme neural overload is the only recourse to orgasm I can understand the allure. I don't care how you parse it that is some sick shit just like tasing someone for vicarious thrills.

Listen little judge in my community if one of your rogues tases any of my loved ones or me, if I survive it, I am coming after your job and will not cease till I have you behind bars and trashed your reputation. These police attitudes were yours to adjust or abate long before they became common practice. YOU HAVE NOT DONE YOUR JOB!

None of us, but the current teenagers, were born into a police state. We have allowed it to become one, citizens action committees can change police attitudes but you RICH FOLK are going to have to do it. Poor folk stand a snowballs hope of surviving Hells summer making a difference here.

Just remember this when some one of YOUR kids acts a little too randy and has the neurons in his/her arm crisped so he/she has to wear a sling perhaps for life. So do something constructive now and save future pain and neuronic mayhem.

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Welcome to our star spangled police state
Posted by: kegbot1 on Dec 2, 2008 5:58 AM   
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Those remarks by the police union head are only surprising for their public candor. This is what cops have been trained to think for decades. Like soldiers in training (and I've been there) one of the first things they put in their heads is that when they put on the gun and badge they are better than ordinary 'civilians.'

Of course they also understand who they first and foremost are protecting - the moneyed classes. I'll never forget the day Art Modell moved the Browns from Cleveland and the local cops camped out in his driveway without even a direct threat being transmitted. Someone threatens you or your family's lives what are the odds of having a cop sit in your driveway?

So let's get it straight - the police are there to police YOU and protect the governmental and moneyed classes in any town or jurisdiction. Equal justice my ass.

The misuse of tasers was inevitable and desired. Their chief role is not just compliance but to instill FEAR. A cop has to be far more careful with a firearm but can use the taser at will because, of course, we're told they're 'non lethal.' And the inevitable defenders of American fascism usually show up in these comment sections and claim they'd rather be tasered than shot or beaten with nightsticks. I always say then they should try it.

But we've been conditioned in our simple American ways of thinking that the world is divided into 'bad guys' and 'good guys' and the police are the thin blue line that protects us from the 'bad guys.'

Rubbish.

But why do you think you see so many TV shows lionizing and glamorizing every type of law enforcement official (oh, to the one poster above 'peace officer' is an outdated term to describe what used to be an ideal that cops kept the peace. Now they're LEO's and there is a difference) from city cops to Federal cops of all striped including the Navy Investigative Service?

Entertainment? Hardly. Study these shows and you'll get a sense of finely tuned propaganda designed to instill in the viewer a sense of fear of the big bad world and only the upstanding brave handsome (or sexy) LEO is standing between them and mayhem. So never criticize them. Ever.

(and it used to be different with shows like Adam 12 and Dragnet where the police depicted were not smart mouthed little thugs but treated citizens with more respect and dignity)

And, of course, you are never to question the means of violence any cop uses at any time. Even if it might be your kid who got a little rowdy on Saturday night with his buddies. Society's propagandists will say 'the punk had it coming.'

One more illustrative true story. I have a friend who used to be a transit cop in Cleveland. He did not look down upon the people he met on the streets. When bums and winos had to be cleared from the train stations he got to know them and got them to move on by talking to them as human beings. He was not popular with fellow officers or supervisors who looked the other way when transit cops would bully and beat up the bums and winos, as my friend said, for sport. He lasted a few years, saw too much, had an attack of conscience and had to quit.

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Think about two public employees that we all know
Posted by: End The Echo on Dec 2, 2008 7:10 AM   
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Police officers and firefighters.

There can be a lot of distrust for one of them, not so much for the other.

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Here's a thought...
Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Dec 2, 2008 8:02 AM   
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Since the police and the manufacturer claim that Tasers are harmless, let's make Taser training mandatory at all police academies. As part of this, make recurrent Taser training an annual event for all officers.

Part of the training will be that each student be tased at least once per class, however.

Let's see what happens then, folks.

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» My understanding is... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
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Cops
Posted by: frank69 on Dec 2, 2008 9:22 AM   
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I was a teenager myself once a long time ago in a galaxy far away (Connecticut). There were "good cops" but I could count them on one hand with a finger or two to spare. That included the two juvenile sergeants. The two worst were Officer Campbell and Sergeant McNamara. When I returned home for a wedding years later, guess who the police chief was? Chief McNamara, that rotton SOB!

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» RE: Cops Posted by: Cybershaman
"Cruel and Unusual Punishment..!"
Posted by: TJColatrella on Dec 2, 2008 9:29 AM   
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The Taser is a Torture device..!

In almost every instance Tasering constitutes: "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" barred by our Bill of Rights under the 8th Amendment...!

Simple as that..

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Police get tazed in training for many juristictions
Posted by: DanoM on Dec 2, 2008 9:59 AM   
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I just thought I'd clear something up. Many jurisdictions require taser carrying officers to be tased in a training environment. Maybe all of the jurisdictions do, I don't know.

The tasering usually happens through the thicker part of clothes, and no direct contact with skin. That does make quite a bit of difference to the effect, but training scenarios that I have seen don't point out that difference. In fact sometimes they tell the trainees that it's really not that bad, and anyone that claims otherwise isn't telling the truth.

Of course compared to a firearm I'd rather have a taser pointed at me, but that doesn't excuse police responsibility for proper usage under proper circumstances. Personally, I think that our police forces have become too militarized, and not enough emphasis is placed on peace keeping over "enforcement".

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Tasers have killed at least a couple of hundred people
Posted by: NYCartist on Dec 2, 2008 10:47 AM   
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Police using tasers have killed. I can think of several deaths in the last couple of years in NYC and less than 2 months ago, mentally ill people were tasered instead of subdued as per NYPD rules. www.october22.org is the October 22 Coalition Agains Police Brutality and they have a Stolen Lives Project (just in case I typed the url wrong). DemocracyNow has covered the subject several times: www.democracynow.org.

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» 300 Posted by: schiffer
Problem is hiring laws
Posted by: billwald on Dec 2, 2008 12:01 PM   
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When I hired on the Seattle Police Department in 1965 the cop was expected to win his fights and not complain when he didn't. There was size and strength requirements. I never was a fighter but I had the size to intimidate.

The problem started with the hiring of 5 foot females. Doesn't matter if they are black belt fighters because no one will know until after the fight starts. Sufficient size and the fight doesn't start.

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RE: When somone tells you that you can suffer a 75Kv .03 ma 2/4Mc shock w/out damage they are lying
Posted by: Nightstallion on Dec 2, 2008 4:02 PM   
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I can see clarifying this may not help because it requires a little homework on the part of the reader. One: pulsed D.C. maintains the same voltage it was sent at, in other words if it starts out at 12 volts the peak goes no higher than 12 volts. Two: the equipment required to deliver such a pulse wouuld be enormus and weigh close to fifteen pounds. But, if you connect a tesla coil into the system results are adjustable.

What a tesla coil does is step up the Voltage in the circuit by using a vibrator circuit and a primary / secondary set of coils to do the booster work. not only does this step up the voltages fantastically it makes the current change from DC to a form of AC that is adjustable by either a rheostat or a pretuned switching circuit that alternates between two frequencies that are disruptive of human (and animal) neural currents.

This is NOT PULSED DC, that is a totally different technology. Actually if one could pulse DC in this way it would be more deadly than tasers are already.

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COPS HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHT TO ORDER YOU AROUND. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ARREST
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Dec 2, 2008 8:09 PM   
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on suspicion of having broken a law without being subject to a charge of false arrest. They believe that have the right to order people around because nobody has challenged them before the law. They really do have the power to make you miserable if you fail to do what they ask.

The right wing wants obedience. After all it is the definition of tyranny. All right wingers have the secret desire to become a tyrant. Policemen have become tools of the republican right wing. Ever since Dirty Harry cops have felt that they had the right to take the law into their own hands. They often actually believe that they are judge, jury and executioner.

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Cops are not much different years ago than they are today
Posted by: DaBear on Dec 2, 2008 8:34 PM   
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They're just better armed, less emotionally competent and trained in a paramilitaristic fashion.

I remember the cops in the Poconos and the PA state police being run by the mafia. They considered themselves soldiers then and the cops in Ventura County, CA pretty much see things the same way. All you had to do back then to get a beatin' by a thug in uniform was cross his path. Kinda like today.

March 24th, 2003: Agoura Hills, CA: some altercation at a four way intersection resulted in two wealthy white males, one in his thirties, one in his fifties slugging it out in the middle of the intersection while the younger male's SUV crept across the intersection and collided with the utility box for the traffic signals. The fifty-something was bloody and ready to collapse, the thirty-something continued to beat him into the street. Everyone around were on their cellphones, taking photos, like it was an amusement park feature. After asking several cellphone users if they were calling the police, and hearing their amused calls to friends about "these two guys are kicking the shit out of each other, I'm betting fifty on the younger one, you want in?" I called the LA County Sheriff. Their response? "Are they two latinos fighting?" I said, "What's the difference? NO, It's two white guys. I think the white male in his thirties is going to kill the older guy, he's on the ground, lots of blood, an SUV is crashed into the utility box." The response? "Sir, just go on your way. There's no fight going on in that location."

W.T.F.?! This is the "law enforcement" taxes are spent on? Brilliant.

March 19, 2003: more than 150 women whose vehicles bore peace-related bumper stickers in the state of CA were assaulted by white males bearing flag bumper stickers. The police response was, "Women need to watch their mouths." That's what the woman assembly-member who investigated the incidents was told. The Atty Gen of California told her to stop her investigation because he would "ensure it went nowhere."

"Law enforcement" is a failed experiment and the result is an intensification of the militarized war-criminal bullshit that passes for "policing" in the U.S. It's a shitstorm from the philosophy behind it in the first place.

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Just watch cops
Posted by: sicntired on Dec 3, 2008 1:02 AM   
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If you need any proof that the Taser has become a weapon of first resort just watch the program COPS on the fox network and others.People are given a dose of the taser for as little a crime as mouthing off.This often happens after the subject is subdued and sometimes in cuffs.Remember,this is television and these cops are on their best behavior.Imagine what they do when they're on their own and there are no witnesses.

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Be grateful for good juries
Posted by: dogster on Dec 3, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Thankfully, there still is the occasional jury that is immune from the police mind kontrol. This lawful command stuff is police state baloney. A lawful command used to mean orders issued pursuant to a warrant.

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