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Conservatives Say Low Wages Will Solve the Economic Crisis, But the Opposite Is True

Posted by Stirling Newberry, Firedoglake at 10:14 AM on November 28, 2008.


FDR knew that high wages are good… and we should too.
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You might be hearing from the right wing about how breaking the unions and letting wages fall is the solution to our problems. We've heard this before. Let me tell you where.

In the late 1920's and early 1930's the global economy as it then was constituted, suffered a series of moments of crisis. In truth it had never gotten back to balance since the "Great War." The responses to these crisis points made the situation. Orthodoxy of the age brought disaster, and that orthodoxy was returning to an international gold standard that was really only a recent innovation. As Bordo and Eichengreen put it: "a system which relied on inelastically supplied precious metal and elastically supplied foreign exchange to meet the the world economy's demand for reserves was intrinsically fragile, prone to confidence problems, and a transmission belt for policy mistakes."

It's a nice way of saying that the Gold Standard was unsafe at any speed.

When the crisis arrived, there were three responses. One was to try and stick it out with the old system. This lead to falling wages and high unemployment under persistent deflation. The other two responses involved "casting off the fetters of gold." However, once this was done there was still a choice: keep wages high and the industrial system functioning, or let wages fall all the way to the floor, and employ people by the state.

In the US, under the New Deal, dealing with deflation was deemed to be important, and keeping wages high enough so that people could buy the products of industry was part of FDR's policy. It meant higher unemployment, but a growing sphere of a new economy, one that would eventually cover the nation with the excuse of World War II to bring everyone into the new world of internal combustion, telephones, electricity and broadcast. The argument was that it was easier to provide a safety net for people who had fallen out of the old economy, and to give them work and relief, than to raise wages that had fallen.

There was another choice, as Peter Temin, MIT economist, pointed out that the Nazi's "socialized human beings," and they "destroyed the unions within a few months of taking power," and "also introduced compulsory labor service," as well as using tax incentives and propaganda to convince women to leave the labor force." The result was a recovery to full employment "At the cost of their personal liberty and higher wages," You can read all this on page 115 of his book on lessons from the Great Depression. On page 9 you can see him rip Lionel Robbins for prescribing wage deflation as a "fundamental misconception."

It's on Google Books, and well worth getting a few electrons out of bed to read the passages.

In the US it was realized that the great pressure on people who are unemployed is debt, this is why they undertook debt relief, the real thing, by programs such as the HOLC. Why didn't it lead to recovery sooner? Why, an outbreak of economic orthodoxy led to balancing the budget in 1937, and plunged the economy into a second recession. But the architecture of the New Deal held, waiting for the moment when it could uncoil and create a new economic order which survives to this day. What the right wing, then, and now, played on was jealousy of working people for each other. It was Boss Tweed that observed that you can always hire one half of the poor to kill the other half of the poor. Let's not fall into that trap.

You might hear that "it wasn't the New Deal that cured the Great Depression." But that's because the New Deal was always meant to save the American economy, to buy time while the international crisis came to a head. FDR knew there would be world war, and that the US had to have the labor force and industrial base to fight it. What was done during the war was the New Deal on steroids.

FDR told Americans in his acceptance speech in 1932 and in his inaugural that people had to be able to afford the products of the new economy, and that was the New Deal policy. It worked, while the regimes that tried to use force to push people into near starvation level jobs and get the money back by invading other countries, are now in the dustbin of history.


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face it.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Nov 28, 2008 8:36 PM   
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Lower taxes for the upper class and fewer social services for the less well off are supposed to help the economy. Now lower wages for the less well off are supposed to help the economy.

The simple truth is this: anyone who is not wealthy has been effectively removed from the economy, except as a liability.

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» RE: face it. Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: face it. Posted by: VZEQICVA
Fine
Posted by: Jeanne on Nov 28, 2008 9:17 PM   
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Low wages it is; and it should start with the CEO, CFO, and the Chairman of the Board. Until such time as our economy is flourishing again, those at the top should be at parity with those at the bottom end of their company wage scale. Let's close the loop, circle the wagons, show some solidarity.

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» RE: Fine Posted by: VZEQICVA
NO PEACE WITHOUT PROSPERITY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 29, 2008 9:45 AM   
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OK we can't all be rich. But making us all poor doesn't work. It makes for a hositle, frightened society. We are seeing the results all across the country. Violence born out of fear. A need to harm another person for no apparent reason. They'll come up with something. Law enforcement that has become a kind of pre-emptive operaton. Shoot first. Not the same as prevention. The most prosperous years in our history after World War II were accompanied by low crime, almost no violence, a nation of people who were secure in their jobs, homes and marriages. There was great comfort in the stability. Sounds almost boring. An effort to keep a society on its knees is usually an attempt at maintaing control and order. Of course it has yet to work. People do get mad and decide to do something about it. Their fear of losing everything in the effort is gone because they have little or nothing to lose. It's already been taken away. And so they take the gamble. In bits and pieces those who have had a good life know what it's like, and they are more likely to gain it back. Three generations of being a have-not is almost impossible to reverse. I think we have to get busy. Too many children are growing up believing that this is as good as it gets. That's just not so. Thanks, ANNA

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Yeah Same Old Conservative Witchcraft ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 29, 2008 2:36 PM   
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What we need are higher taxes on capital gains, dividends and high income. What we are seeing is all that profit of the rich circle the globe in search for yield ... not investment.

Higher taxes would force money into longer term investments stabilizing the economy and channeling investment dollars into viable not speculative behavior. Kinda like what we had in the 50's and early 60's.

Meanwhile the extra income derived through higher taxes could be used for real social investment such as Medicare for All, raising poverty income levels so that more qualify for programs, longer unemployment benefits and more money for education including generous tax subsidies for employer training.

People need more help, not less, in times of trouble.

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If that's the way they feel
Posted by: outlander55 on Nov 29, 2008 4:32 PM   
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We can start by lowering the wages of every one that makes more than $75,000 a year. Including the President, members of the Senate, and the House of Representatives. We should also make them pay for their own health care. Why should our tax dollars pay for their health care and not our own?

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You know what would be nice?
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 29, 2008 5:24 PM   
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If the owners of hedge funds were taxed at the income tax rate instead of the capital gains rate.

They would all scream, choke, die and then try to get on welfare, the pay cut would be so large.

And the tax revenue would bump up just a bit.

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HENRY FORD PRIDED HIMSELF THAT HE VOLUNTARILY PAID HIS WORKERS
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 29, 2008 10:30 PM   
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well enough to purchase one of his cars. Have we completely lost the goal of a classless society? This is, perhaps, the most glaring of republican moral paucity.

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The ULTIMATE LOW WAGE IS PRISON SLAVE LABOR...
Posted by: joeocho88 on Nov 30, 2008 9:51 AM   
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I think we received a warning here about what will happen to the American worker if we don't start UNIONIZING!

We will ALL become peons and field hands in the cotton patches because the insane, power-hungry YUPPIE NEO-CONS can't make us into the SLAVE LABOR that works for two bowls of rice a day as pay. And HOW THEY WOULD LOVE SLAVE LABOR!

I used to think that UNIONS were run by the MOB but even the Mob bosses realized that there had to be some expendable income to keep the economic system running like it's supposed to be and power a National Economy centered around CONSUMER SPENDING.

SLAVES HAVE NO MONEY TO SPEND!

THE BASTARDS THAT WANT TO MAKE SLAVES OUT OF AMERICANS NEED TO REALIZE THAT WE TEND TO BE AN EASY-GOING, TOLERANT NATION FOR THE MOST PART BUT IF THY TRY TO ENSLAVE US, ALL BETS ARE OFF!

Now we are getting to see what the NEO CONS are REALLY ALL ABOUT!

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We Can't Have Debt Driven Inflation Forever
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Nov 30, 2008 11:50 AM   
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We've been driving inflation with debt for about 35 years now, while ruthlessly depressing wages. Couple this with the simultaneous cutting of public assistance benefits and the increased availability of easy high interest credit everywhere, and here we are on the brink of a major depression.

In addition to more progressive taxation, we really need to raise the ridiculously inadequate minimum wage. Demanding somebody to work for $6.55 an hour today is like asking for a volunteer. Double up the current federal minimum wage to $13.10 an hour immediately, and then have it rise annually with inflation.

We've also been supporting far too much home ownership, which has led to the housing bubble, while cutting back public assistance to renters. This is simply not sustainable as it has led to the real estate inflation we are now seeing. Real estate prices need to for fall for at least another two years.

Meanwhile, we need to provide more support to renters. Spend more money on Section 8 vouchers until all waiting lists are ended, and allow all unsubsidized renters to deduct the value of all of their rent from their taxes. This could wipe out the federal tax bills of most low income renters who aren't receiving Section 8.

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