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Surprise: Cops Who Get Tasered Really Don't Like It

Posted by Digby, Hullabaloo at 8:37 AM on November 24, 2008.


Apparently some police officers have a bone to pick with Taser International Inc.
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This report from the Las Vegas Sun about their police department's experience with tasers is fascinating. (Too bad the Brits didn't read it before deciding to arm their entire police force with these torture devices.) One of the most interesting thing about it is that nearly all the information police receive is from the Taser company itself.

Several cops got on their knees on a rubber gym mat. Kneeling in a line, they linked arms, interlaced hands, and looked up. All they knew of what comes next is this: It's going to smart.

This was called the "daisy chain." It was part of the Metro Police Taser training program, the alternative to hitting a single individual with thousands of volts from the weapon. It was the option officer Lisa Peterson chose, a decision she regrets.

The officers were at a training seminar in November 2003 to learn how to use the newest weapon on their belts, a device the manufacturer claimed would incapacitate a person but not do permanent harm. You can't really comprehend the Taser, students were told, until you're Tasered.

So an instructor attached alligator clips to each end of the daisy chain. Two officers became electrical bookends, strung at the shoulder by wires feeding back into a Taser gun. Pull the trigger and the daisy chain shudders, seizes and pitches forward, the pile of police officers becoming a portrait of Taser's selling point: neuromuscular incapacitation.

In the middle of the chain, hands locked at her sides, Peterson had only her face to absorb the impact. She fell hard on her neck and fast into the rabbit hole - traumatic internal disc disruption, steroid injections, surgical reconstruction, temporomandibular derangement, persistent dizziness, cognitive defects, numbness, vertigo.

Officer Peterson sued Taser International Inc.

So did two other Metro cops who were seriously injured after being shocked with Tasers during other training sessions in 2003. In their lawsuits they say Taser failed to adequately warn the police department of the potential for injury and minimized the risks of being shocked, which officers had been assured was not only safe but advisable.

[...]

Metro's initial approach to Taser instruction can be summed up like this: Almost everything the police knew about Tasers, and taught officers about Tasers, they learned from Taser.

[...]

Today, Taser warns that the device can cause burns. Moreover, the company acknowledges these burns can become infected. It warns that people who are shocked by Tasers can suffer bone fractures, hernias, ruptures and dislocations. Today, Taser suggests students be Tasered while lying facedown on the floor, eliminating falling hazards and stray Taser probes to the eye.

And yet, police use these things indiscriminately.

And nobody seems to think there's anything wrong with the police inflicting horrible pain on people on the thinnest of pretexts. As long as there's no permanent damage, there's no harm in it. Heck, even if there is permanent damage, it's the victim's fault for failing to be properly cooperative --- or agreeing to do it as part of their job.

You can see why waterboarding is now considered perfectly acceptable. The authorities only use it when they believe they need to (and ok, sometimes just because they're in a bad mood) and it doesn't leave any permanent damage either. No harm no foul. What's the problem?

H/T to pastordan and barb

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Tagged as: burns, taser, police, pain, cops, infection

Digby is the proprietor of Hullabaloo.


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Just Like Bigwigs In The Bush Administration
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 24, 2008 10:34 AM   
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Now. Now. The police know that using a Taser on someone isn't torture...

Except when it is DONE TO THEM!...

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» RE: tasars Posted by: Junior Barns
» RE: tasars Posted by: BigElectricCat
» RE: tasars Posted by: Timba
» Cops Posted by: kegbot1
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 24, 2008 1:03 PM   
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Making it sound almost comical when in fact as time goes by the taser guns are being made to seem OK. I mean they don't harm anyone, right? I have my doubts about that. Then there are the ones who get killed. The police are out of control and don't need any more toys to prove the point. The public continues to buy into their whining about how 'dangerous' their job is. They create more problems than they solve and they kill too many people to suit me. ANNA

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» RE: WE'VE COME A LONG WAY Posted by: Pegaleg
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 24, 2008 1:03 PM   
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Making it sound almost comical when in fact as time goes by the taser guns are being made to seem OK. I mean they don't harm anyone, right? I have my doubts about that. Then there are the ones who get killed. The police are out of control and don't need any more toys to prove the point. The public continues to buy into their whining about how 'dangerous' their job is. They create more problems than they solve and they kill too many people to suit me. ANNA

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WE'VE COME A LONG WAY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 24, 2008 1:03 PM   
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Making it sound almost comical when in fact as time goes by the taser guns are being made to seem OK. I mean they don't harm anyone, right? I have my doubts about that. Then there are the ones who get killed. The police are out of control and don't need any more toys to prove the point. The public continues to buy into their whining about how 'dangerous' their job is. They create more problems than they solve and they kill too many people to suit me. ANNA

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Choosing the "lesser evil"
Posted by: SjrBoomz on Nov 24, 2008 1:23 PM   
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The problem with giving weapons of any kind to police officers is that any weapon can be abused, and will be. If we've got to arm these people, we might as well arm them with a less fatal weapon. Tasering may be cruel, but it's better than a bullet.
I have no issue giving them tasers, so long as they're carried under the condition that the officer does not also carry a gun or baton.

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» RE: Choosing the "lesser evil" Posted by: VZEQICVA
Why, that's just the 'set ups' where they
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2008 2:40 PM   
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were too dumbf*ck stupid to 'crank down the juice' to make it all look good.

I mean, when the RCMP did their little publicity tests, you just know that they weren't going to let dude suffer a major cardiac arrest or pulmonary failure on camera...

They don't like it?

HOW F*CKING STUPID ARE THESE ASSH*LES?

they thought it would TICKLE or something?

well, nobody ever said they hire the best & brightest from your graduating high school classes, did they?

damn.

who would have guessed? 50K electroshock & bouncing off the walls or concrete isn't a carnival ride...

WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL COPS ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT, because the Blue Wall doesn't normally let them tell, does it?

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Check your facts first
Posted by: John Annis on Nov 25, 2008 3:12 AM   
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If you'd bothered to wait for 24 hours and do some further checking you would have discovered that the Metropolitan Police, the biggest force in the UK, will NOT be going ahead with the purchase of Taser equipment, for precisely the reasons given above.

We're not all living in a police state. In the case of senior officers at the Met, they were far from happy about officers routinely carrying these weapons, despite not being armed, because of the lack of trust that would engender from the public.

The Great American Public has no balls when it comes to standing up to official oppression.

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» RE: Check your facts first Posted by: benzene
» RE: Check your facts first Posted by: John Annis
» CCTV and political oppression Posted by: bingahaba
» Oh please Posted by: kegbot1
» RE: Oh please Posted by: John Annis
» RE: Check your facts first Posted by: LeeAnnG
the UK government is brilliant at money-laundering--the Taser company is getting money
Posted by: Suzon on Nov 25, 2008 3:12 AM   
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that would be better spent on dismantling the US-style criminal underclass that didn't exist thirty years ago.

When will we "get it" that dividing society into the "deserving" and "undeserving" makes everyone less safe and therefore less happy.

Politicians have been misdirecting public funds. They have been treating the symptoms of inequality when they should have been making society less unfair.

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» drugs and crime in the UK Posted by: truthlover
don't tase me bro
Posted by: kittybrat on Nov 25, 2008 4:23 AM   
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don't tase anybody.

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It's A Flying Cattle Prod
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 25, 2008 4:34 AM   
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If that isn't torture, what exactly is?

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» RE: It's A Flying Cattle Prod Posted by: truthlover
Down the hole we go
Posted by: marid on Nov 25, 2008 7:37 AM   
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WE (the US) now torture, a nice step. Tasering is starting to be an accepted practice, as the propaganda is repeated, over and over, the distaste will go away.

Have you seen the videos where some of these torture devices are used? Completely uncalled for. How about the several hundred people who have died from them? Collateral damage, what a nice sanitary term. And a nice federal judge said that tasering cannot be brought into court as evidence that may have caused death.

Tasers are like dynamite, when you light the fuse it blows up, in some cases the person may be in a dangerous state of health and the taser lights the fuse and they die.

Just like the so called health industry, treat the symptoms with an expensive drug or device. Don't actually have a health system that prevents the onset of the symptoms. The taser falls into the same category. Don't treat social ills, poverty, a deteriorating economy, lack of honesty at the top to help prevent or alleviate crime. Just sell a torture device to treat the symptoms. Gotta generate money for the Merchants of Death and their minions.

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» Well played marid Posted by: kegbot1
poe
Posted by: janiepoe on Nov 25, 2008 7:47 AM   
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i have scream from the start of these torture devices!inhuman!!!now with these law-suits, we can put if you torure me with theses mr. policeman and county, YOU! will be sued!!!

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876
Posted by: 876 on Nov 25, 2008 8:21 AM   
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This is just what the doctor ordered for the nation of hysterical racist war mongers who see nothing wrong in setting up torture camps all over the globe kidnapping random Muslims to molest rape and torture than babble about “hazing”. I suppose you could call tasering the American public hazing, as easily as you can call raping Iraqi men “hazing”.

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Cops also dont like being killed on duity
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Nov 25, 2008 8:24 AM   
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These guys and girls do more than get kitties out of trees and write you speeding tickets when you and five other cars was going 80 in a 65. Remember they are running to places were you are running away.

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» And.... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» Try never to call a cop Posted by: kegbot1
» RE: Try never to call a cop Posted by: improperly_sedated
» Translation: Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» None of which Posted by: EinMD
hire a paramilitary, get a paramilitary
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 25, 2008 10:21 AM   
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This is why paramilitarizing your police force isn't such a swell idea. It's not even smart.

It hasn't changed from when I grew up, except for the sheer armor and volatility of the whole enterprise: when I was a kid you called the police at your own risk. You just amped up your chances of being murdered in your own home by "law enforcement" by dialing the phone (pre-911 days). Now, you up the chances of your entire neighborhood being locked down and your neighbors being killed along with you and your family if you dial 911.

If you obey NAMI instructions and call the "intervention" or "suicide" hotlines, you'll just be executing the person you thought you were trying to "save" because law enforcement has a nasty habit of just shooting mentally ill people. It's easier for them.

An LAPD cop once told me, "You don't matter. You're our enemy and we will prevail." I thought he was joking but he wasn't.

Good luck with the taser shit. It's just one more way to lynch a guy.

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» re: NAMI Posted by: kegbot1
Tasars ARE NOT The Problem
Posted by: gradioc on Nov 25, 2008 4:54 PM   
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Several years ago here in NC (before Tasars were deployed) we had an obviously deranged guy walking down the street nude with a butcher knife. Cops respond and several surround the guy. They're trying to talk him down, but they have no way of disarming without getting within range of his knife. Finally the guy lunged toward one of the cops and another shot him. He died. I wish to Hell those cops had had a Tasar available. In that sort of scenario a Tasar can save a life and is a useful tool for law enforcement. The problem that nobody in government wants to talk about though is that these things wind up being used as nonjudicial punishment for being a pain in the ass. Have you heard the tape of the woman hit with a Tasar because she would not hang up her cell phone when ordered to? That sort of use is why common folks hate and fear the damn things. It occurs to me that the answer is to treat the use of a Tasar just like the firing of a service weapon. The officer involved walks off the job until a review of his or her actions takes place and strict guidelines should be put in place. Right now, on most forces, Tasar use receives the same amount of scrutiny as throwing a fleeing suspect to the ground, i.e. none at all. As with a lot of problems with abuse of power, shining a light on it goes a long way towards solving it.

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» RE: Tasars ARE NOT The Problem Posted by: Unapologetic Liberal
» Get real! Posted by: snax
A solution...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Nov 27, 2008 5:18 AM   
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...might be-

First: In order to be allowed to use a taser, the officer has to be tased first, maybe even twice.

Second: If the officer uses the taser in the line of duty, he/she will have to be tased within 24 hours of the incident.

I think the need for tasing will become very discriminant.

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If it was that bad on a rubber mat...
Posted by: macrumpton on Nov 27, 2008 8:45 AM   
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If it was that dangerous on a rubber mat, imagine the damage that could be done on concrete, or in areas where there were sharp things to fall on, or if you had preexisting health conditions.
Oh, that's right we don't have to imagine, dozens of people have been killed by these things, and even more have been crippled or severely injured.

The fact that they are advertised as non lethal makes them too tempting to use. Perhaps the cops should be required to receive one shock for every 3 they administer to keep the memory fresh.

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Taser Truth
Posted by: Blacktiger on Nov 30, 2008 10:45 PM   
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I would rather be shot with a bullet than shocked with a taser! After seeing the RCMP knock down that poor disoriented guy at the Vancouver Airport without so much as a how-do-you-do, killing him on the spot, yep give me a bullet thank you!
Using the taser on an unknown person, without medical reference as to medical condition, is completely unprofessionable.
Considering "cops in training" are in top medical condition, makes no sense for them to think the taser is safe to use on John/Jane Doe is unprofessionable.

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