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Is Obama Screwing the Netroots?

Posted by bmaz, Firedoglake at 4:02 PM on November 19, 2008.


When it comes to the netroots, Barack Obama has the long arm-short arm syndrome.

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When I was first sworn into the bar, I had the good fortune of being mentored by an experienced and wise senior partner. One of the first things that he taught me in dealing with other parties was to be aware of the long arm-short arm syndrome. This is where a person has a long arm for taking, and a short arm for giving.

When it comes to the netroots, Barack Obama has the long arm-short arm syndrome. He has taken much from us in terms of support, voice, momentum, money, footwork and energy. Obama has given little, if anything, in return to the netroots. Unless you count disdain and scorn. And pokes in the eye with a blunt stick.

Let's go through a bill of particulars, starting with oh, say, today:

(Bonus: Even Pat Buchanan is feeling sorry for the progressive netroots. Catch the video after the flip.)

Eric Holder: Eric Holder is a horrid choice for Attorney General. Looseheadprop knows this and gave her take earlier. Holder conspired with his friend Scooter Libby to get a pardon for Marc Rich; Obama must have been mighty impressed by that. Or maybe he was more impressed with Holder's ability to skate his Republican/Bush bigwig friends at Chiquita Brands for their complicity in paying millions of dollars to rightwing death squads in Colombia that murdered union leaders and workers. Uh, and then Chiquita paid off the other side. While they were probably smuggling narcotics for the CIA. Another excellent entry on the resume for Obama I guess. Oh, and Holder was not very popular with the career rank and file at DOJ when he was there; he was seen as very divisive. So we got that going for us. Just what is needed for the rotting carcass at DOJ that Bush/Cheney is leaving.

In short, hey, seriously, if you like the corporate apologist, rich people coddling, torturing approving and covering, illegal wiretapping loving, breakdown in the career ranks bullshit DOJ of the last eight years, you will absolutely love Eric Holder. He will, of course, be nominally better that Mukasey. If that is good enough for you, he is your guy! Thanks Barack!

Joe Lieberman: As y'all might have heard, Rape Gurney Joe Lieberman was ejected from the Democratic Caucus, er stripped of his DHS Chair, .... Oh, hell, Harry Reid kissed the sucker on both cheeks and thanked the back stabbing little prick for being magnanimous.

Now, how exactly did we come to the point to where the guy who bolted the party and actively campaigned side by side, hand in hand, for the better part of two years for the race baiting Republican shame-meister John McCain? Who caused this love to be given to one of the netroots' most hated men? Uh, that would be good old long arm-short arm Barack Obama.

Obama didn't just shaft the netroots though, he stuck the shiv in the American people by engineering Lieberman's retention of his DHS Chairmanship. That man should not be allowed in the same universe as that committee. The American people are entitled to a man that will do the freaking job. A great American city was drowned. People are dead. Tens maybe hundreds of thousands are effectively still homeless. Billions of dollars were wasted. He. Did. Freaking. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Say goodnight New Orleans, and tell Barack Obama thank you!

The FISA Lie: Barack Obama gave his word (likely to cravenly gain credibility with Russ Feingold, Wisconsin Democratic primary voters, and the netroots) that he was against retroactive telcom immunity and would filibuster any attempt to pass it through the Senate. Then, when his nomination was all but assured and the bill came up for a vote, Barack Obama showed his colors and shoved the shiv once again in the raw bloody back of the progressives and netroots. Obama turned on a dime and not only did not filibuster, it was his lead that Pelosi and Reid followed in ramming the craptastic FISA Amendments Act through with retroactive immunity for the Bush/Cheney criminals. Heckuva job Baracky! It is an action that is second nature for Obama; he literally seems to enjoy it. Hard to understand how Obama was not seen as a con man on the spot; mostly the desperate netroots needed a few more blade strokes I guess. Well, we have those now; can we start calling the progressive bashing Obama out for what he is yet?

More Particulars: Here are some more greatest hits from Barack Obama the progressive hater: Campaigning for Barrow in Georgia and against the wonderful progressive candidate, wobbliness on the auto bailout, lack of interest in pursuing torture and war crime offenders in the justice department and throughout the government, appointment of ultimate DLC centrist hack Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff, agreement to offshore drilling and dissing of clean coal technology.....

The list is getting awfully long. Almost as long as Barack Obama's arm that he used to take our money and efforts to get himself elected. All we have seen is the short arm he has used to punch us in the face and collect street cred with villagers for having done so.

It is sickening. It is so bad that even Pat Buchanan (see video above) is feeling sorry for the progressive netroots and is calling on President-Elect Obama to at least have the mercy to throw a little bone. Looks like it will be a damn small bone.

Heckuva job Barack!

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What's it worth?
Posted by: Xynyx on Nov 19, 2008 4:20 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Assuming things go as you are perceiving them to be going, and he doesn't turn things around in his Administration, will all such progressives now be able to actually learn from the experience? Will progressives stop letting their support, their activism, and their votes be taken for granted? Will we pull together in any sort of unified fashion to promote a truly progressive agenda?

The GOP is reportedly falling apart. Yin means nothing without Yang. Perhaps the Democrats need to collapse as well. Chaos and rebirth. Is that where we're headed? I'm tired of always hoping for better and always being disappointed. How about the rest of you?

I'm still going to give the man some time. But I've heard this message, too.

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» RE: What's it worth? Posted by: drone
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» RE: What's it worth? Posted by: IntelliGent
» RE: What's it worth? Posted by: Longdream
» RE: What's it worth? Posted by: Ray Duray
» RE: What's it worth? Posted by: using
Yeah, yeah.
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 19, 2008 6:01 PM   
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And the alternative is.....?

No matter the alternative. You go ahead and complain. While you're complaining about Barack, try exclaiming about the effing twisted shit going on in the country that needs some quick action or we're going to be screaming on a whole other level.

His lack of absolute perfection according to you and un-noted others notwithstanding, I still haven't seen the like of Barack Obama in American politics in my whole life, and there's been nothing so far that has altered that estimation.

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» RE: Yeah, yeah. Hell NO Posted by: americansheep
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Fighting the Good Fight
Posted by: Franb on Nov 19, 2008 9:11 PM   
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Much what you say is beyond objection.

From the point of view of those of us who wanted a clear break from the politics of the Bush era, which certainly included its apologists in the Democratic Party, the early atmospherics aren't positive.

Part of the problem here is that along with people far more at ease with "mainstream American values" (I'm using the term holding my nose so that I can use it in its current incarnation) than most of us, we mapped what we wanted onto Obama. We knew well before he even got the nomination that he was pro-Israel, pro-Fisa, in favour of "clean coal", not in favour of universal health care, not in favour of pulling the US out of Afghanistan, not in favour of gay marriage, not in favour of legalising marijuana and so forth; he backed the bailout of Wall St ... Contrary to what the right kept claiming, he was not the most liberal member of Congress. He simply wasn't Bernie Sanders.

But we suppressed all this insight because we hoped he was simply playing the game to win, keeping open loopholes and so forth. We knew we were kidding ourselves, but the question remains -- why?

And the answer is obvious enough -- because despite all the flaws, in our heart of hearts, we understood that of the candidates with a reasonable prospect of winning, he was indubitably the lesser evil. A victory for McCain and Palin would have been the harbinger of far worse things than you've outlined above, and unlike with Obama, there would not even have been any scope for expressing buyers' remorse because they'd campaigned on more of the Bush years, and their constituency would not have permitted anything else. Race realtions in America would have been set back by perhaps 20 years, and not merely for African Americans, but all non-hispanic whites. The Spivs and vandals would have continued to rule and need not have apologised to anyone.

With Obama there, we can at least have a discussion, apply pressure and shape the debate in ways that may lead people our way.

Is this good enough? Of course not, but it's all that is on offer, because, for a variety of reasons, not enough Americans are listening to us with the enthusiasm needed to establish a consituency that can re-align US politics. Until we can persuade maybe 30% or 40% to support candidates seeing things our way in maybe 30-40% of winnable states we are always going to be scratching for influence. That work still needs to be done. If we succeed, then the forces driving Obama into the arms of "moderates" will be neutralised, and there will be a strong case for having a more explicitly left-of-center platform, in order to avoir a split, and if one comes, it may well force a realignment of the best elements around policies we can support.

In the interim though, we have no choice. By all means let us call Obama out when he does things that are foolish or subvert progressive goals, but in the end, we must be realistic. Every rational person who sees the lesser evil will always prefer it to everything else. Most everything is imperfect and unfinished in this world, but this does not make them all equally unworthy. And before you can oppose one thing with another, you must show that the other thing is at least viable and possible. To will the end is to show the means.

I've long thought that electoral reform is something that we ought to strive for. Proportional representation and preferential voting would break the dominance of the major parties and allow a more complex and pluralistic polity, in which greens and progressives would have an independent voice. It would reduce the "prisoner vote" corraling effect and allow people to establish permanent interest constituencies without putting at risk a candidacy that would be the lesser evil.

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» Third Party requirements Posted by: robdashu
» NO choice!??????????????? Posted by: zorro
We need a new political party - let's begin now!
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Nov 20, 2008 12:51 AM   
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They say that truth will set you free; conversely, truth hurts.. and truth is a bitter pill to swallow. By now, it has occurred to many that the progressive base has been basically bamboozled. For idealists, it is devastating.

This article absolutely brings it home. Our country (even the world) was desperate for a change - a change you can believe in. Too bad the message didn't fit the narrative that is shaping up. Our people are extremely fragile and trying to dig out of the dark. Obama seemed to be the answer. We don't know who was really, exactly behind his campaign, but it's now obvious that this might have been the greatest con in history. It's like when a headline doesn't match the story - much like his slogans, hope and change, aren't now reflecting the illusion people were craving.

Looking at Obama's cabinet/administration picks, we see the Washington establishment in full bloom. They must be laughing behind the scenes at how easily we were duped. For those who say wait and give the man a chance, you are just holding onto the illusion as long as you can, fearing to face the reality. Do you see Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold, Patrick Leahy, Howard Dean, Bill Richardson, et al getting any of these appointments. No. It is a sharp contrast between people who were desperate to undo the Bush years of Republican lack of values with wanting someone who would really represent change and even attempt to reverse the damage. I do think Obama will toss us a bone here and there, but it won't be the overall " change you can believe in." Joe Lieberman's continuance proves that - if nothing else. It's truly absurd to believe this turn the other cheek gesture is anything other than placating the powers behind the throne. Obama simply is serving as the figurehead.

What does it take to turn things around? The American people have truly been kicked around, not to mention the rest of the world that have been beaten down by our evil doing on many fronts (selling weapons, invading countries, destroying the environment, price gouging our own people, denying healthcare, overpriced tuitions, allowing infrastructure to crumble, and on and on). It seems like we have to step up at this point - be strong when it's the darkest hour.

We need a new party - call it the Progressive Party - and we need to begin a grassroots movement now with the same kind of planning and discipline Obama's campaign displayed. Only this time, let us start preparing for the 2010 election and follow through to 2012. We have an indomitable spirit and we can't give up, no matter how disheartening what is happening becomes. The group who gets it together and organizes now may have a fighting chance. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain if enough of us persevere.

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Obama hasn't even begun his term yet & you're out for blood?
Posted by: PollyTicks on Nov 20, 2008 2:19 AM   
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First off, Obama isn't even in office as yet, so I think it only fair to give him a bit of "actual" time at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue BEFORE we tear him apart. Secondly, the author of this piece sounds as if he/she is either fresh from the Free Republic or is one of those PUMA's who hate Obama with a visceral intensity that one can feel across the country.

Yes, I am a bit nervous by some of his appointments and nominations, but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and trust in his intellect; intelligence being something that has been sorely missing in our country. Should we be skeptical? Absolutely, but should we cut this man off at the knees before he even takes office? HECK NO!

Come on folks, the GOP is in a tizzy right now and is just where we want them, the very LAST thing we need is for our side to fracture and divide into oblivion. I don't know about any of you, but I want this man to do right by this nation and correct the HIDEOUS crimes that were committed by the Bush/Cheney team.

Let's all take a breath and trust in the man we elected to see just how he will take this country into the new century. I'm not asking for years here, but months as it should be evident how he is planning to take our country by next Summer. Will he disappoint us on issues? Almost certainly, but will he possibly do things that turn our collective lives around for the better? Just maybe.

So let's wait a minute or two before declaring a revolution and see what Obama actually does for us all. Deal?

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Progressives need to be organized and learn to be tough negotiators
Posted by: PaulC on Nov 20, 2008 3:31 AM   
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We can allow Obama time to do what he will do, that takes no effort at all, so fine, let him do his thing - we have no control over that anyway.

And that is the key word here, "control". Progressives have no voice because we have no organization - we do not speak as a group with a unified voice, so effectively we do not exist politically.

How do we get free thinking people to commit to being organized under one leadership hierarchy? Can we usurp the netroots base that Obama tapped into and organize ourselves in that manner? What would that require? How would it unfold?

peace,
Paul

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» Never going to happen Posted by: AndyF
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Rush couldn't have said it better
Posted by: PJT on Nov 20, 2008 5:56 AM   
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Another stupid column by the wacko left fringe. Are you being paid by Rush to write this crap? The path to sustained success for the Democratic coalition is the CENTER. If Barack veers off into the left-hand weeds he (we) will get NOTHING. You act as though he won the US by the majority he got in the District of Columbia. Right now it is compromise, compromise, compromise. The more Clintonites he gets on the payroll now, the fewer he has to fight later. The more bridges he builds with GOP congressfolk who see the writing on the wall for their dead-end operation, the more enduring success he buys for all of us. People like the author of this moronic screed are what we refer to as the "tin foil hat" Democrats; in other words, wacko.

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Couldn't This Have Waited Until He's Sworn In?
Posted by: Carol Burns on Nov 20, 2008 10:55 AM   
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This man is coalition-building. I'm not happy about FISA or the bailout, either, or some of the other pre-inaugural decisions, but I'm waiting to actually see what he does after January 20th. We had to get rid of Bush and Cheney, and we couldn't allow McCain or Palin (shudder) near the White House. But is it really necessary at this point to bash Obama for every decision or selection or rumor of a selection he makes? Please don't try to derail his presidency before he even gets installed.

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Quick question for you...
Posted by: MTguy on Nov 20, 2008 11:15 AM   
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Does Obama seem like an intelligent guy to you? Has his entire life since high school seemed like a series of well-considered decisions that turned out right not only for him but for the people he was working for?

Cut him some slack on his choices for the various positions. They've got to pass muster in their approval hearings so let the process work and then give him some time to effect the change we all seek.

Lastly, ever heard the expression "Rush to judgment'?

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Netroot's naive idealists were the first problem
Posted by: artifax on Nov 20, 2008 3:23 PM   
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Those who worshipped Obama during the election campaign are the ones I've feared first. Will they help hold his feet to the fire when he's in office acting like a politician (ie, in the interests of his wealthy donors while screwing Netroots idealists) or will they wither when disappointed and pack up they political tents? I'll bet it'll be the latter.

It's still US who make politicos act in OUR interest. Political "gods" don't just volunteer their generosity.

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Netroot's naive idealists were the first problem
Posted by: artifax on Nov 20, 2008 3:24 PM   
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Those who worshipped Obama during the election campaign are the ones I've feared first. Will they help hold his feet to the fire when he's in office acting like a politician (ie, in the interests of his wealthy donors while screwing Netroots idealists) or will they wither when disappointed and pack up their political tents? I'll bet it'll be the latter.

It's still US who make politicos act in OUR interest. Political "gods" don't just volunteer their generosity.

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bmaz, SHUT UP!
Posted by: MindyB on Nov 20, 2008 9:49 PM   
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Many decisions President-elect Obama made during his Primary and General election campaign were not at first very popular or accepted by many of his supporters--but guess what?! Most all of his decisions were correct! He ran a brilliant campaign and beat two incredibly powerful political machines--give him some credit for not only being intelligent, but for thinking outside the box!
If you thought to be such a brilliant genius, why didn't you run for President?! I am sick and tired to reading about these supposed "left-wing supporters" that are now nay saying and poo pooing everything that is going on or rumored to be going on in the transition team! Please remember, he was chosen to fix this country, and he will do just that if he is allowed to do so!
Expecting to apease one group or another because of their support during his campaign misses the entire point of his success--just as he has been very adamant on his no lobby or special interest money, and now no lobbyist or special interest people on his transition team--it means NO SPECIAL INTERESTS WILL OVERPOWER THE WHITE HOUSE OR THE DECISIONS TO GET OUR COUNTRY ON TRACK AND AWAY FROM THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL QUAGMIRE BUSH CREATED.
He is making his decisions based on what is best for the country, and he is doing that by THINKING WITH HIS BRAIN, unlike most other present and past Presidents who thought with their wallets and political parties first, then if there was any energy left, thought a little about what was right for our country.
I trust President-elect Obama to make the best decision--sure he is not perfect and he will make mistakes, but I trust him more than any other person in that position. Give him a break, and shut up!

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The wise thing to do is cover all basis.....
Posted by: using on Nov 21, 2008 8:00 PM   
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We sat on our hands and watched the overlords do us in.....one piece at a time.
The tragedy of it all is: That so few of us read the sign posts. It is in patterning of decisions that the probably outcome becomes evident.
Once we have excellarated our downward spiriling, it will be harder to find our way back..people will be more downtrodden and disheartened, our resources and energies will be squandered, and anger will erupt into hatred.
The time for change is now.....the way to judge the happening in or before it occurs is to understand the potential of the decisions that are made. Monitoring and standing for the decisions that are in our best interest will make positive outcomes possible.
I too believed that Obama had the potential to be a great president but as the Washington Post said: ".. will settle for good." .but I believe we have to prepare for the worst. REgardless of what Obama does, strenghtening Main Street will have a positive affect. If Obama proves himself, he will have strong supporters ready for democracy in action. If he does not, we will have to figure out other ways for positive change to become a reality.
There are organizations that are laying groundwork for positive change, we need to help them -- and the stronger we grow, the more support we will earn.
The strenght of the sadist is in his masicist....the strenght of the government is in those they govern and the strenght of the boss is in his workers.
WE have to get rid of the world of spun half truths, false illusions and wishful waiting ..and replace it with a clear understanding of our reality, our best interests, and make an consolidated effort to fullfill our needs and build sustainable communities.

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The End of America
Posted by: StirMan on Nov 21, 2008 10:36 PM   
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Have any of youse guys read the subject book? If so, you already understand more than most ever will. If not, for the unknown god's sake read it. NOW! Author Naomi Wolfe follows Shock Doctrine by Naomi Kline to fill in the rest of the picture. Both are beyond compare. Maybe it's something about the name. Becoming aware of where we stand and why is the beginning of realization that this is a battle that maybe will not be won but in a way has just begun. Pete Seeger's 'Listen to Doctor King'—recently performed on Letterman—would make a good up to date marching song to succeed 'We Are Coming Father Abraham.' I'm hoping 'Obama will lead . . . or get out'a our way. At 70+ with Heart Disease, GERD, Skin Cancer and Post Polio Syndrome I may still live to watch my country die if things don't chance big-time and fast. THAT possibility is making me really sick.

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Wake up people
Posted by: janelynne on Nov 22, 2008 2:53 AM   
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This country is in profound trouble and the world is in the midst of a financial, cultural, and geopolitical sea change. The US provincial fighting we have gotten so used to, is a luxury of the past. We are all going to have to set aside the nonsense. Bush has wasted time, squandered resources, and destroyed our chances in many ways. We are going to see some very hard times and some changes that will make out eyes pop out. Obama has been elected in this time and as a result as a total loss of confidence in the recent past. Obama is going to need support, and does not need to have to fight off a bunch of purist crybabies who would like to go back to the 90's. What we are facing are the scorched earth policies of the 8 years of 2000, bequeathed by Bush's unitary and his boys in corporate America, who have spread its virus around the world. Arguing between Democrats is total BS. I don't think people are grasping what is on the line, or what is on the horizon.

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Liam on the Left
Posted by: Liam on Nov 22, 2008 10:14 PM   
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The "Liberal" purists hated Humphrey in 1968 and we got Nixon and 7 more years of Vietnam. They walked away from the Democratic Party in 1972 when McGovern lost. Well organized political parties win elections but the purists only show up supporting a candidate (the party be damned)and now Obama has been elected and they are banging away at him before he even takes office. Obama does not have the benefit of representing one issue and one group of true believers. He has inherited a mess from top to bottom. I voted for him because I trust him to do the best job and pick the people he believes will do the best job. Obama has no middle ground....he will either be a great president or a failure...right now I pick "great".

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Stop Whining and Face Reality -- Centrists Rule!
Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Nov 25, 2008 8:59 AM   
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The liberal Netroots need to wake up and smell the coffee: "Progressives" are as much a MINORITY of the electorate as the far-right evangelicals who form the GOP's shrinking electoral base.

Have you people forgotten that while Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans, Independents still outnumber Democrats?

And the vast majority of independents are centrists.

Neither Obama nor McCain could have won the White House without the support of independent voters -- and McCain blew it with independents when he picked the right-wing Sara Palin as his running mate.

The liberal Netroots can bitch and moan all they want, but it's the centrists who call the shots. Always have. Always will.

There's a reason why there are "Reagan Democrats" and now "Obama Republicans." They're centrists who don't like it when their parties move too far to the left in the case of the Democrats or to the right in the case of the Republicans.

Add to their ranks the millions of independents, and you have a CENRTIST MAJORITY.

Liberals and conservatives alike are going to have to accept the fact that they are in the minority. Obama will govern from the center and there's NOTHING the liberal Netroots or their conservative counterparts can do about it.

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