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Are There Any Other Qualified People In America Other Than Clintonites?

Posted by David Sirota, Open Left at 4:12 AM on November 19, 2008.


I ask this based on the Obama appointments - my back-of-the-envelope estimate is that they are 90 percent Clinton administration officials.

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I ask this question without making a value judgment - are there any other qualified people in America other than permanent Washington, D.C. dwellers who were part of the Clinton administration?

I ask this based on the Obama appointments - my back-of-the-envelope estimate is that they are 90 percent Clinton administration officials.

Now, I don't think this means that the Obama administration will automatically be Bill Clinton's third term, with all the corresponding incrementalism and triangulation.

But it is kind of creepy. For all the talk of "change," I'm really curious whether Barack Obama thinks there are any worthy, smart, well-qualified people who aren't part of permanent Washington and who didn't serve in the Clinton administration? Certainly, his campaign apparatus appreciated that. But it doesn't seem like his transition team does (a transition team, of course, dominated by former Clinton officials).


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Many Recovered 'Clintonians' voted for Obama in the primaries
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 19, 2008 4:56 AM   
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So determining how people will act nearly a decades later is ridiculous.
I was a avid defender & supporter of Both Clintons throughout the '90's. But Once Hillary started Voting in the Senate, My admiration waned. Then she began using her Autographed Neo Con Handbook in the Campaign..I NOW I hate her with every fiber of my being...She proved herself to be exactly what the '90's detractors claimed - self absorbed opportunist..In fact she's proven she never revoked her memebership to the Repug party. Bills been a real Doosey too- he'd have been better off if his legacy was only marred by a Blow Job- Now he's a disgrace.
So just because someone worked for the Clinton WH doesn't mean they are Loyal to them. In fact did you notice how many supported Obama and NOT Hillary in the primaries..Hindsight is 20/20, I'm willing to give some a 'Pass', figuring they wanted to work in Public service and the Clintons were the name of the Game at the time.
Are we going to have to listen from Bitch Moan & complaining for the next 4-8 yrs from both the far right & Left? The man has Not even taken Office, simmer down now. Jesus the far Left is beginning to act and sound like the Religious Right. Shut up sit down and WAIT for something worthy of bitching about-The desire to Pre Judgement is WHY The Repugs just lost the Election.They decided we were exactly the same as we were even 4 yrs ago...Their pre misconception proved to be their undoing.Let's not make the same Arrogant mistake- People Change as circumstances and Reality become more apparent.
next the 'left' will be damning everyone to Hell because they worked for the Clintons.
Beware of becoming Your enemy once you have Succeeded. Besides 'Keep your friends close, But your enemies Closer'- better to work with Obama than Against him and the Clintons are Vindictive- so best to keep them within arms length, so you can Bitch slap them more readily.

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Obama voted for FISA, telecom immunity, to condemn MoveOn
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 19, 2008 5:05 AM   
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and other wingnut crap.

I supported Edwards.

I'm not exactly expecting a fire-breathing leftist here; and anyone who is will be severely disappointed.

I'm all for giving the guy (Obama) a chance, but his appointments pretty clearly indicate that there is no big break from business as usual in the cards.

Nobody will be happier than me to be proven wrong about that.

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A GOOD 8 YEARS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 19, 2008 6:52 AM   
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It's not hard to decide which 8 years I'd rather have back. The Bush Admin has destroyed our country as we knew it. The Clinton years were good. We weren't broke and everyone didn't hate us. Looking for perfection is nothing more than shopping for a way to be unhappy. Obama gets to call his own shots and doesn't have his father & his friends to keep happy. The presidency is a lonely job, but the president can't be a loner. Thanks, ANNA

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Damned if you do, damned if you don't...But let the man do his job first!
Posted by: IntelliGent on Nov 19, 2008 7:17 AM   
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My girlfriend and I were just discussing this some time ago. As we all know, Obama was blasted for not having the experience needed to do the job by both Hillary and McCain. He responded by admitting that he does have only 2 years in Washington, but would make up by surrounding himself with the best, brightest, and most experienced minds available. Now that he has won and is in the process of selecting those minds he enters a conundrum. If he selects mostly fresh people unknown to Washington, he will get blasted for having too many people who are just as unripe as himself; but if he selects too many ripened people in Washington, he gets blasted for being too "more of the same". We as progressive, due to anxiousness to get it right, lack of trust, or whatever have handcuffed Mr. Obama before he has even recited his oath of office, let alone is first 100 days. In a way this is a bit condescending because it insinuates that Obama cannot think for himself. It's funny we seemed to give Bush leeway to see what he would do, and still in the back of out heads knew he was a fuck up! We as progressives voted for him because his demeanor, intellect, and style that was everything that Bush was not. If you did not feel he could think for himself, why did you vote for him? We gave him the mandate by a great margin...so lets trust the man! Personally, I think Obama needs a good 50% mix of old and new people. This will show everyone that he respects those before him and will learn from them but will also engage in fresh approaches that will better this country. This by no means stop agitating, we should still voice ourselves, but let him get through the first 100 days before you start to bitch, moan, and whine! Obama will be great as long as we push him, but that does not mean nag his ass to death.

Also while we're on the subject of "Clintonistas", one has to remember, when a President comes into power, its customary to tap the resources of the previous administration, that is if that administration is of like party as you. We have been under Republican rule for at least 35 years, with the only administration with mostly still living members being Clinton's. So quite frankly in his quest to learn about how to best govern, he has no choice but to tap the resources of the Clinton administration. I know we all want him to tap the resources of say an FDR admin, but the problem is that they are all dead. Does this mean he will be a carbon copy of Clinton? No. Does this mean mean he will adopt Clinton-like doctrines? We should hope not, but see that's the fun thing about the future, we don't know. Give Obama a chance! After 8 years of pessimism, it would be great to be optimistic for a change. With that being said, we voted him by mandate, let's give him a bit of trust and stop thinking "doom-and-gloom". Keep the work up, keep agitating, and keep progress alive, but please let's reserve judgment until he at least has done something noticeable.

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Probably better than on-the-job training for managers just now
Posted by: redfrog on Nov 19, 2008 8:15 AM   
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So, yesterday I got this fortune cookie that read: Efficiency is doing a job well. Effectiveness is knowing which job to do.

Hopefully, in 4 or eight years, the young people who are learning the ropes will have also been evaluating the ropes. They come to this with a different mindset, a different history. Let them benefit from the people who served, saw the mistakes first hand, developed some winning strategies on the front lines of the snake pit that is Washington.

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Transition need not mean permanent
Posted by: Rikyu on Nov 19, 2008 1:47 PM   
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Remember, too, that most of these folks are being tapped to manage the transition from Republican to Democrat. It makes sense to use people who have done this before, and although they will influence the permanent choices, their presence doesn't automatically mean Obama = Clinton II.

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So, David--
Posted by: Longdream on Nov 19, 2008 3:50 PM   
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Saying something is "creepy" is a value judgment.

I don't think Clinton enters into it one way or another, as much as he probably thinks he's the center of the universe. Some people, like Eric Holder, for instance, didn't have a great experience in the Clinton White House. Holder probably doesn't think very much of his former boss, and I don't blame him.

I look at the cabinet picks and I see a bunch of smart, high-energy, Washington insiders who have had successful careers after Clinton was impeached. They are the sort of people Barack needs to get things done so that the country doesn't fall further under the serious problems from every quarter.

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