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It's Official: Lieberman Won

Posted by Jane Hamsher, Firedoglake at 9:20 AM on November 18, 2008.


"It's very clear that the vast majority of the Democratic caucus wants to keep Sen Lieberman as chairman of this committee.
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Reid, backed in solidarity by members of the Democratic Senate Caucus including Boxer, Schumer, Patty Murray and others just held a press conference:

We had a historic caucus in the old senate chamber.  We had a very nice discussion.  And it's very clear that the vast majority of the Democratic caucus wants to keep Sen Lieberman as chairman of this committee, member  of the Armed Services committee and that was done, it's all over with.
Joe Lieberman is a Democrat, he's part of this caucus.
[...]
We accepted the statement made by one of the more senior member of the senate that this is not a time for retribution, it's a time for moving forward on the problems of this country.The great depression may be in the history annals a worse time economically in the history of our country but we don't know yet.  We have all kinds of problems we need to move forward on.  We need to be unified.  We need to be unified as Democrats, we need to be unified as a Senate, and that's what this meeting which we just completed is all about, moving forward and handling the problems of this country to the best of our ability.  And that's what we're going to do.

Harry wouldn't let Lieberman step forward and talk.

It's high irony for Reid to talk about being "unified as Democrats."  He just told the people who worked hard for Obama's election, who still want to see some oversight on Katrina, to go Cheney themselves.

I'm not feeling too welcome at the moment.

How about you?

Update:  Lieberman stepped up and spoke -- he said there was a "resolution of reconciliation and not of retribution"  in the caucus.  He cites Obama's support of him as critical.  

Where is the promise that Evan Bayh and Amy Klobuchar said that he owed everyone?  He thanks the "gang of four" -- Dodd, Ken Salazar, Bill Nelson and Tom Carper -- for saving him.

Update II:  Lieberman says the resolution was an expression of disapproval for some of the things that he said, and "some of the things people said that I said about Obama that simply aren't true."  

He won't say what those things are, but also excuses himself on the basis of "heat of the campaign moment," and appreciates his colleagues' support of his "independence of mind."

He says Reid asked him to relinquish his seat of the environment committee.  He agreed, to "make room for freshmen Senators."

If you want to know how I'll be spending my time, I'll be working even harder on the Primary Recruitment Project

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Jane Hamsher is the founder of FireDogLake. Her work has also appeared on the Huffington Post, Alternet and The American Prospect.


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grrr
Posted by: bookie on Nov 18, 2008 9:30 AM   
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I can't remember, when is the conniving little weasel up for re-election? Too bad CT doesn't allow recall.

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» 2012 . . . Posted by: Scientz
» RE: 2012 . . . Posted by: Xynyx
» RE: grrr Posted by: Quannah
KatInPhilly
Posted by: Ladydog on Nov 18, 2008 9:37 AM   
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Reid says Lieberman is a Democrat. He stopped being a Democrat years ago when he hitched himself to the neo-con wagon. This just gives fuel to those who say there is no difference between the Dems and the Repugs. Truly disgusting they could not even make this symbolic gesture to clean the neo-con war-mongering constitution-shredding house. What are they so afraid of?

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» RE: KatInPhilly Posted by: Scientz
» RE: KatInPhilly Posted by: Quannah
» Right Posted by: reverendnick
Either Lieberman has some hard evidence on most of the DEMS
Posted by: PakiBoy on Nov 18, 2008 9:38 AM   
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doing illegal/criminal activities OR

AIPAC rules the US Congress, and both wings of the Establishment party.

Take your pick - either way, it makes no difference.

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Oh gods
Posted by: moflard on Nov 18, 2008 9:39 AM   
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what a bunch of spineless wimps. So this is the much vaunted "Change" is it - looks a great deal like business as usual to me.

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It's Official: AIPAC Won
Posted by: PakiBoy on Nov 18, 2008 9:48 AM   
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that should have been the headline.

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To Ned Lamont
Posted by: hotdog on Nov 18, 2008 10:07 AM   
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We need you now more than ever.

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A viper to the bosom
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 18, 2008 10:15 AM   
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Louie Freeh, the Republican head of the FBI spent his tenure trying to bring Clinton down.

Now the man who chairs the homeland security committee, and who said that Obama was unqualified in national security matters will have a couple of years to "prove" that.

Just wonderful! I know the other good Democrats out there are exactly as thrilled as I am.

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Traitors
Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 18, 2008 10:15 AM   
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So, Obama's influence swayed the Dems to keep Lieberman?

Elsewhere in the news:
President-elect Obama has picked John Brennan and Jami Miscik to head his intelligence transition team.
Brennan is a supporter of extraordinary rendition and warrantless wire-tapping. Miscik helped sell the case for war in Iraq by politicizing intelligence of alleged Iraqi WMDs.

And this:
The Obama administration will likely NOT investigate or prosecute Bush administration officials and others who were involved in committing torture as part of the "war on terror", according to Obama advisors.

Change? No freakin' way! More of the same (or worse)!

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» RE: Traitors Posted by: blackie4aces
Good For Joe
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Nov 18, 2008 10:20 AM   
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Good for Joe Lieberman
I'm glad to see that the Dems have some sense

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» RE: Good For Joe -- Sarcasm? Posted by: QQOblivion
» RE: Good For Joe Posted by: Quannah
Lieberman? What were they thinking?
Posted by: Franb on Nov 18, 2008 11:12 AM   
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A crazy idea! He should have got nothing but a cold wind ...

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So Cute
Posted by: robert.noll on Nov 18, 2008 11:22 AM   
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I think it is so cute how you people still think that democrats and republicans are two separate parties.
It is more like pro football. You have your AFC and your NFC but in the end they are both parts of the NFL.
Insanity = Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results. Keep voting for Dems and Reps and you are most assuredly insane.

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» RE: So Cute Posted by: motown
HUGE RED FLAG HERE!
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 18, 2008 11:36 AM   
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.

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It's all clear and shouldn't have been a surprise
Posted by: DCostello2 on Nov 18, 2008 1:47 PM   
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Why is everyone so surprised? Do you remember that Obama campaigned FOR Lieberman AGAINST a Democrat??? I do.

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I'm not thrilled about this, but
Posted by: Shey on Nov 19, 2008 5:16 AM   
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.... is no one listening to the in-depth analysis of the up-side of keeping Lieberman where he is, including the fact that if he resigns from the Senate (as he has threatened), the Republican governor of Ct. will appoint a republican to serve out his term?
He can still be stripped of his main committee chair, if he doesn't stay in line, and he knows it.

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I would have made him...
Posted by: Bbear41 on Nov 19, 2008 10:06 AM   
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...Ambassadore to Ruratania (and told him to go and fine it) or (better) Atlamtis.

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The Progressive Agenda--Gone Before It got Here?
Posted by: blackie4aces on Nov 19, 2008 4:18 PM   
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All that Mr Smith Goes to Washington bullshit that many of us grew up with was truly nonsense no matter how much we might wish it wasn't. However, the dire and lowly depths that American politics has descended is remarkable in that the fantasy of nothing but honor has morphed into the reality of no honor whatsoever.

The politics of calculation, triangulation in the Clinton era and simply unconstitutional bully behavior in the last Bush era, has evidently arrived where nothing means anything but these little shits in congress and their tiny, individual citadels of power. "Forgiving" Lieberman is an open admission that the Democrats in the Senate have zero principles. If they did, it would have been impossible for them to allow anyone who does (or does not do, such as Lieberman's job as Committee Chairman), says, and believes what Lieberman does, says, and believes to be with them. It is, of course, an insult to the voters who gave them a mandate in response to the eight years of the Bush Administration, an administration which Lieberman allied himself on almost every major issue.

I hear all this shit from the really, misinformed?....no, misguided is the kindest, though maybe not the most accurate word I can think of, about freedom of speech and about partisanship. As far as freedom of speech goes, please, those who think this is about freedom of speech for this punk, go talk to the people who had the shit beat out of them at the Republican National Convention when exercising their rights. I didn't hear that shit Joe Lieberman stick up for their rights while he trashed Barack Obama and the Democratic platform. Lieberman was acting right down the partisan road as well as he staked his position with all the partisans of war and the national security state who want to continue foreign policy with bombs and military threats, who want to remain as occupiers of other lands for as long as one hundred years, and who would like to add still more sovereign countries to the list.

Lieberman is a slimy abomination of a human being. He is a known public liar. He is a back-stabbing prick. His line of "If it's good for Israel, it must be good for the U.S." lets him off the hook (with some) for unconditionally supporting Israel to the detriment of the United States. I would be surprised if the Republicans would take him. They would do so at their own risk, a risk that doesn't seem to bother the Democrats.

I think it should be clear now that without a third and possibly a fourth political party in this country the American political system is doomed to cronyism, corruption, ineptitude, and the complete lack of any ability to reform. The overwhelming vote to retain Joe Lieberman whose positions have not an iota of resemblance to a progressive agenda demonstrates that the Democratic Party is not a progressive party.

To be continued

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The Progressive Agenda--Gone Before It got Here? Part 2
Posted by: blackie4aces on Nov 19, 2008 4:21 PM   
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In view of the "candidate of change" seeming proclivity to appoint the Clinton Administration as his own "new" Administration in combination with the Lieberman vote, it should be very, very clear that very, very little will actually change. There will be no change to its Israeli policy, one of the single most dangerous and deleterious positions of the past two administrations. Rahm Emmanuel's appointment and the offer of State to Hillary Clinton pretty well clinch that. About the only thing Obama and Clinton agreed on in the foreign policy arena was unconditional U.S. support of Israel. While cheering on the invasion of Iraq by the U.S., what did Emmanuel do? Why he went off to Israel to become a civilian volunteer in the Israeli Army, of course. Hmmm? I guess with his familial roots to Irgun, the Israeli freedom fighters or terrorists depending on where one was looking from he couldn't help himself.

I have no doubt that Lieberman, who was able to hold his vote hostage to the Committee Chair, he will also do the same on any and all issues regarding Middle East policy. That one vote sure has acquired a lot of power. Or has been granted that power by the idiots in the Senate.

Or maybe not. Maybe Lieberman isn't very repugnant to them. Now that's a scary thought.

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My personal Thanks to Jane Hamsher
Posted by: blackie4aces on Nov 19, 2008 5:16 PM   
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Ms Hamsher, you did all that was humanly possible to get the facts out where people could see them. I do not doubt that many of those same people wrote to their Democrtaic senators, which is all of them because they don't just represent their individual states, as surely as I believe those letters, telegrams, and calls were ignored, which, by the way, is one very good reason for keeping the vote secret. This always had the feel of a "done deal" to me.

Thank you. One more sad day to get through and remember.

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albroth
Posted by: Albroth on Nov 19, 2008 6:17 PM   
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As a Jew, I am ashamed of him as a politician. I also wonder about his intelligence.

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