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The CIA Is Worried: Will Obama Actually Hold Them Accountable?

Posted by Digby, Hullabaloo at 3:25 PM on November 10, 2008.


The Torture Memo of 2002 was written at the CIA's request that Bush "get their backs." Now they're asking if Obama will.

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According to CQ, the CIA is worried that Obama won't "have their backs" when they do something wrong:

"I was with a group of intelligence officers today," Roger Cressey, a counterterrorism official in the Clinton White House, said on MSNBC Thursday night, "and I think the most important thing for the president to say is, 'We've got your back.' That 'we want you to take risks -- risks that conform with our law and our values as a country.'

"What the intelligence community is afraid of more than anything is the game of 'Gotcha,'" Cressey said. "Which is, if they make a mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, the White House doesn't support them, they're left out to dry, and Congress crushes them. And then you get into that risk-averse mentality, which we saw for awhile. So that is what they want. They want support, so they know that the president is going to be behind them. But also that he's going to lead them."

I doubt that there will be any problem if these "risks" actually do conform to our law and values -- and aren't stupid plans that were done without being properly understood, like the Bay of Pigs.

This article discusses a scenario in which the CIA blows up a car they mistakenly believes contains bin Laden, and asks whether or not the Obama administration will stand by them. But that's not what this is really all about. It's important to remember that this was at the heart of what Cheney and Addington's War On Terror legal reasoning was all about. The John Yoo Torture Memo of 2002, was written at the CIA's request that the Bush administration "get their backs." Just last March Bush vetoed the bill which would have required the CIA to adhere to the rules set forth in the Army Field manual in order to protect the CIA from being held culpable for torture.

The CIA will put a lot of pressure on Obama over this. They even got the ambitious wimp McCain to vote against the Field Manual (anti-waterboarding) bill, despite what it might do to his reputation, on the heels of his earlier cave-in on the Military Commissions Act. They are dead serious about being allowed to do what they feel "needs to be done" with the full backing of the president. And they always hold the security of the United States hostage when they do it ("we'll become too 'risk averse' and then you'll all die!")

Up until now, we have been dealing with electoral necessities (or what the Democrats perceived as being electoral necessities.) Now we are going to see perceived institutional necessities coming to the fore and the Democrats are going to have a much different relationship with these issues than they had before.

On torture, there can be no more blurring of definitions. There is plenty of scholarship that shows that there are better ways of obtaining reliable intelligence. Torture is not only immoral, it's lazy and counterproductive -- and is likely used most often out of some misplaced notion that being known to be brutal and ruthless is helpful to America's reputation. That is wrong. The CIA needs to know up front that Obama will not have their back if they engage in torture -- and that the torture legal framework under Bush is no longer operative in any way. There really is no other choice on this and I expect that he will do it. He knows very well that his foreign policy will be in complete shambles the minute it is leaked -- and it will be -- that the Obama administration has sanctioned torture, either through commission or omission. His great opportunity across the world to prove that America has changed will be lost.

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Yes We Can
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Nov 10, 2008 8:37 PM   
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Yes we can--and must.

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They don't get it
Posted by: calmecac5 on Nov 10, 2008 9:52 PM   
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Reactionaries and neocons just don't get it--national security is increased when the United States is a country to be emulated, not feared. Would-be terrorists and others look at the United States, and when they see injustice they find they can explain their own wrong-doing. On the other hand, if they see a just and fair society that respects individual and collective rights, they will be less inclined to be driven by acts of hate.

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» Free US from Israel Posted by: weathered
» Truthlover, you're not very bright. Posted by: common intelligence
Let us not forget all of the abuses the FBI is known to have conducted
Posted by: PaulC on Nov 10, 2008 10:50 PM   
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under the umbrella of "national security" and the "war on terror". Everything ends up in the pot and no one is accountable for anything - everything goes - wheee!

We find NSA listening in on salacious personal conversations and passing around the best ones for their amusement.

We find bad government info used to whisk people away with no word to their families, to be tortured in a Syrian dungeon.

We find FBI and police undercover agents infiltrating lawful peaceful groups in order to deprive them of right of assembly and right to participate in our alleged democracy.

We find police brutality and policies promulgated from the White House itself instructing police forces, in concert with state and federal agents, to brutally suppress civil rights of demonstrators, environmentalists, peace activists - anyone who poses a perceived political threat to the party in power.

In short, the deliberate annulment of the laws of the land for the express purpose of making federal agents immune from prosecution for perceived misconduct, which is esoteric gobbledy-gook that can mean absolutely anything, is a direct challenge to the Constitution itself.

Haven't we had enough of George Bush? Isn't this precisely what he and Cheney were all about - might makes right and the weak deserve what they get because they are inferior - Social Darwinism in a legal wrapper.

peace,
Paul

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» Excellent Post Posted by: westomoon
Don't make mistakes
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 10, 2008 11:49 PM   
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This article discusses a scenario in which the CIA blows up a car they mistakenly believes contains bin Laden, and asks whether or not the Obama administration will stand by them.

The answer to this is don't blow up a car unless you know for certain bin Laden is in it. Imagine if the president had the rest of our backs for our mistakes. That's right, a surgeon could remove the wrong leg, a cop could shoot the wrong person, an automobile company could miswire a vehicle so it blows up when rear ended, but they don't have to worry because the president's got their backs.

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» RE: Don't make mistakes Posted by: madmac10
» RE: Don't make mistakes Posted by: BigRon
» RE: Don't make mistakes Posted by: NotNeoCon
Or
Posted by: MizuInOz on Nov 11, 2008 4:06 AM   
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Imagine the government bailing out banks and stock brokers and auto manufacturers and insurance companies and home loan institutions but not the citizens.

Nahhhh, that would never happen. I know they will hold the CIA and NSA and FBI and any other alphabet soup agency accountable. We can all see the handwriting on the wall for that, right?!

When is a double positive a double negative?

When you say "yeah, right!"

cheers

(no, I am not in a bad mood tonight) ;)

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Go you, left
Posted by: Teller on Nov 11, 2008 5:24 AM   
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Such chest heaving indigation. Of course Obama will not hold the CIA accountable.

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Responsibility
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 11, 2008 5:39 AM   
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This article discusses a scenario in which the CIA blows up a car they mistakenly believes contains bin Laden, and asks whether or not the Obama administration will stand by them.

Shouldn't the CIA be held to the same standard that we hold others? If they make a mistake after taking reasonable precautions and they are seen to have behaved carefully and responsibly then sure, a mistake is a mistake. To err is human.

On the other hand if they are found to have acted in the cowboy tradition of shooting first and asking questions later then they need to be held accountable and severely so. CIA agents hold positions of special trust and when they betray that trust they must be held accountable.

In either event, there should be a review by an independent prosecutor and if necessary a jury to determine whether appropriate care was taken. Maybe that's just too much to hope for, however.

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The CIA is not what the CIA claims
Posted by: Pop on Nov 11, 2008 9:18 AM   
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The CIA is not what it is claimed to be. In fact it is the most dangerous terrorist organization of earth. It literally and intentionally manuipulates intelligence at will, and ignites wars and murders anyone that gets in it's way. The president Elect Obama certainly must understand that he has to do a lot of manuvering to insure that he doesn't ever seriously step on them. "Covert" is CIA. Ask JFK. A real look at CIA routine
will show that their mission has nothing at all to do with serving the US population, but they do provide service for corporate interests. You will find them in full force during such affairs as meetings held by the Bilderburg Group, as well as the joint government/Corporate meetings for the upcomming North American Union. Their interests are not the same as those of us that do hope to keep our Constitutional Democracy that has been thrown away by our present Bush Regime. Shortly we will know where Obama will stand - or not.

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THE CIA NEEDS TO CLEAN HOUSE
Posted by: mindtrvlr on Nov 11, 2008 9:29 AM   
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THE CIA IS SUPPOSED TO COLLECT DATA AND INVESTIGATE CRIMES AGAINST THE USA. ITS NOT THEIR JOB TO PUNISH OR TORTURE. WE HAVE A COURT SYSTEM THAT SHOULD BE DECIDING GUILT. USE IT.

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"The CIA will put a lot of pressure on Obama over this."
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Nov 11, 2008 10:14 AM   
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No doubt. I truly hope they've met their match.

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WORRIED HE WON'T "HAVE THEIR BACKS?"
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 11, 2008 10:41 AM   
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I thought THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OUR BACKS???

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Also...
Posted by: Quannah on Nov 11, 2008 10:44 AM   
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"Having their backs" obviously means protecting them from prosecution when they blatantly break the law.

In that context, I hope he certainly DOES NOT have their backs!

The time is long past when all of these agencies need to be held accountable! For the past 8 years they have been allowed and encouraged to do whatever they want -- unfettered.

That day is OVER, I hope!

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Obama & Torture: What's at Stake?
Posted by: mutualaid on Nov 11, 2008 12:15 PM   
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The real question regarding torture for Obama is whether or not there will be ACCOUNTABILITY for the design and implementation of a patently illegal torture policy.

Obama can pass (again) laws to prohibit this immoral and illegal behavior but what would new laws/decrees/rules etc. be worth if these same laws had been violated with impunity before?

Answer: NOTHING.

So we're not looking for new laws; we want existing laws enforced and therefore for violators of them to be punished.

Also, NO MORE STUDIES OR COMMISSIONS etc. are necessary (as the weak-kneed pro-Democratic Party "human rights" organization Amnesty International is now calling for.

There have been enough studies, commissions etc. to look at the history of torture under the Bush Administration.

We want subpoenad witnesses with testimony under oath, with no assurance of immunity. And then punishment.

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Disingenuous
Posted by: westomoon on Nov 11, 2008 3:55 PM   
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These guys have known for years that they were way, way over the line into war-crimes territory. Not only did they demand a written policy backup in 2002; here's a WSJ story from 2006 that reports how many CIA employees were buying personal liability insurance to cover their acts.

In a court of law, that's what's generally known as "wilful and knowing" criminal action. Makes it a little hard to say "woops" when you've done such extraordinary CYA in advance.

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Pray for Obama. We have to watch his back from the CIA
Posted by: common intelligence on Nov 11, 2008 5:45 PM   
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There is something seriously wrong with this country.

We are at a piviotal point. We can not allow ourselves to be bamboozled into being nice anymore. We need full citizen actions to push forth a national agenda for accountability.

What is the process. It can't just be signatures because congress can't seem to read. We've have signatures up the ass turned in but have no results.

Everyone, please put forth here every concrete suggestion you ahve to offer on how to push forth a complete executive and legislative effort to bring accountability to the forefront of our nation.

Impeachment is only a small part. But we need it written into the Constitution.
National security starts with Governement answering to the people, not ignoring US.

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the test will be . . .
Posted by: phindrup on Nov 11, 2008 6:21 PM   
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Speculation is unnecessary, if Bush and his cronies are not prosecuted, then nothing has changed.
If the US continues to unconditionally support Israel, nothing has changed.
If the US ‘contractors’ are permitted to continue ripping off the US taxpayer, while providing nothing for the Iraqis, nothing has changed.

However, should Obama deliver a statement that the Iraqi invasion was both illegal and unjustified and that the US was going to withdraw just as rapidly as is possible, that the US was going to pay reparation, as set by the international court, and that all ‘contracts’ issued from the time of the invasion were going to be investigated, any work done inspected, and the recovery of all the monies ripped off were going to be vigorously pursued, and charges brought against the fraudsters, then you will know that change has come indeed.

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» RE: the test will be . . . Posted by: 2dogarage
In fairness to the CIA...
Posted by: zipper696 on Nov 12, 2008 12:55 PM   
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...it's been clear over a number of years that successive Administrations , provided they have "plausible deniability" are prepared to get intel from the CIA without too many questions as to it's source, or the methods used to gather it.
Clearly the Bush2 years with Cheney and Wolfowitz leading the charge gave the Agency carte blanche to use "extreme measures" at their own discretion, especially since it didn't take a Ph.D to figure what the Administration wanted to see and hear to further their PNAC plans.

The Agency clearly broke both US and International laws frequently and with impunity, but in that, they were acting as the "action squad" of the White House.

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